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Posted: 8/16/2005 2:52:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/16/2005 2:52:34 AM EDT by tc6969]
Should I buy this swiss masterpeice? or buy something else? I've already got a set of mosin's, m38 and m44. The ammo is a little hard to come by, 7.5x55. I know nothing about this round or its ballistics, and I also know little about this rifle. What do you think? is there something else I should look at for this cheap price range?

Let's say I didn't have the mosin's. Would I want one then or buy the mosin nagant first?

Lastly, for the simple fact that I'd be buying another caliber that is alot more expensive, should I buy the k31 or go with another 7.62x54r gun? What about something totally different?

Any opinions?
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 2:18:04 AM EDT
I bought one last month and like it so much I just bought three more. Brass was a bit on the high side but should last very well with the moderate pressures I'll load to.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 2:45:27 AM EDT

Get an M48!(8x57)

Junk compared to the K31.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 9:21:06 PM EDT
Do it.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 9:22:21 PM EDT
Are they worth it? Jesus man, its 80 bucks!
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 9:23:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By theseacow:
umm...is that good or bad?

I hear they are accurate, but are they worth it, with the price of ammo versus something else or comparable?



The ammo isn't expensive. You'll probably love a K31.

Might also want to consider grabbing a K98 and an Enfield, both are pretty cheap and ammo is plentiful.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 9:40:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2005 9:42:16 PM EDT by Cape_hunter]
After shooting beside one at a classic battle rifle match this past weekend, it on my list.
Very cool guns and they pretty much shot curcles around the other bolt guns that day.

CH

eta:
theseacow, IM "unka-boo" about these. He is a local Oregonian and would likely let you shoot his.

you ever make the Practical Rifle match at Tricounty in Tualitan? Ssecond sat of everymonth!! CHeck the OR forum for more.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 9:42:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2005 9:43:30 PM EDT by MachinegunManiac]
Get an M48!(8x57)
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 9:49:37 PM EDT
There's a C&R forum on the Armory board.



But yes, grab a K31; you won't be disappointed. Yeah, the ammo is more expensive than Wolf, but it's worth it. Just look at it this way.. it's a good incentive to start reloading.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 9:51:16 PM EDT
it's the most acurate mil-surp ever, pretty much hands down.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 9:57:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Enigma102083:
it's the most acurate mil-surp ever, pretty much hands down.



As your standard issue arms go, this is true. Remember, there are whole slew of match and sniper C&R's....so most accurate is a broad stroke.

Swede 96's are stunningly accurate, too.

That said, I agree that the K-31 is a wonderful weapon, as are all the Schmidt Rubin rifles.

I can't believe there are any military rifle fans out there that don't have one yet, but some guys take 25 years to get laid too so there's no guessing what people's priorities are.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 10:19:22 PM EDT
Yes get one there works of art, they really are built like swiss watches the presision is something else, the action is ultra smooth, it's FAST, you'll go through ammo almost as quick as a semi-auto, it has a free float barrel under the handgaurds with only 2 glass bedded points of contact, and the there just nice to look at....

The quality control is incredibal, the Swiss were looking for quality over quantity, and price was no object, they had a dedicated factory for almost every part of the gun, and each and every part was individually inspected, then the rifle was inspected again, it's not uncommon to find all matching rifles whose parts were manufactured up to about 4 to 5 years apart, meaning it took them that long to build it....

The accuracy is also incredibal many rifles are able to put all there shots THROUGH ONE HOLE, the worst accuracy reported is still in the 1 MOA range, most people don't shoot that accuratly, and the surplus ammunition is considered match grade, someone figured that if the same rifle were manufactured today, with the same level of quality it would be about a $4,000 rifle....

Also if you look under the buttplate theres alot of times a tag with the origional Swiss Soldier who was issued the rifles name, and address, many people have got into corrospondents with the origional owners....
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 10:20:02 PM EDT
Ammo admittedly is a bit pricey – at least compared to surplus 7.62X54R and such.

Still, I’d say get one. They are just beautifully made, smooth working, and accurate rifles. And it’s not like they cost that much anyway.

Ballistically, the 7.5 Swiss is very similar to the .308 Winchester or 7.62X54R Russian.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 10:45:52 PM EDT
Another kinda cool feature of the K31...

Link Posted: 8/15/2005 10:49:20 PM EDT
Yup, the dreaded "sawback".

Gotta love the Swiss. Fuck that Geneva convention, it's not like it was signed in Switzerland or anything...hehe. But, I like their attitude - invade our little mountains and the gloves come off, and there's no need for dull, black bayonets either.....we'll give you a shiney saw right through the gut.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 10:53:54 PM EDT
damn I want one of those bayonets
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 9:12:11 PM EDT
A K31 should shoot circles around your Mosins.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 9:14:27 PM EDT
umm...is that good or bad?

I hear they are accurate, but are they worth it, with the price of ammo versus something else or comparable?
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 4:49:13 AM EDT
I bought one last week for $135 and picked up a 480 round case of match NC ammo for $170. The workmanship is amazing. It's probably the highest quality gun I own.


Link Posted: 8/16/2005 5:24:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 6:38:17 AM EDT
Get one, and you'll find yourself like, me selling your extra mosins to get more. Literally, I rarely take any other C&R to the range now other than my K31.

This was a $60 beater that looked like crap when I got it from AIM, a little elbow grease and paitence paid off.

Link Posted: 8/16/2005 7:09:32 AM EDT
Advice for anyone considering a K31.......Horde the stripper clips. They are not a thin little piece of metal like most here are used to seeing.
6 for $19.97
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 8:00:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 9245:
Yes get one there works of art, they really are built like swiss watches the presision is something else, the action is ultra smooth, it's FAST, you'll go through ammo almost as quick as a semi-auto, it has a free float barrel under the handgaurds with only 2 glass bedded points of contact, and the there just nice to look at....

The quality control is incredibal, the Swiss were looking for quality over quantity, and price was no object, they had a dedicated factory for almost every part of the gun, and each and every part was individually inspected, then the rifle was inspected again, it's not uncommon to find all matching rifles whose parts were manufactured up to about 4 to 5 years apart, meaning it took them that long to build it....

The accuracy is also incredibal many rifles are able to put all there shots THROUGH ONE HOLE, the worst accuracy reported is still in the 1 MOA range, most people don't shoot that accuratly, and the surplus ammunition is considered match grade, someone figured that if the same rifle were manufactured today, with the same level of quality it would be about a $4,000 rifle....

Also if you look under the buttplate theres alot of times a tag with the origional Swiss Soldier who was issued the rifles name, and address, many people have got into corrospondents with the origional owners....


+1
Mine is a 1939 vintage.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 8:16:21 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 9:20:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cape_hunter:
Advice for anyone considering a K31.......Horde the stripper clips. They are not a thin little piece of metal like most here are used to seeing.
6 for $19.97
image.sportsmansguide.com/dimage/75766_ts.JPG?cell=200,200&cvt=jpeg




I just ordered 6. Thanks for the link.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 9:24:43 AM EDT
Reading these replies makes me want a second K31. Just seeing my first K31 makes me want a second.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 9:54:50 AM EDT
looks like ill go ahead and get one.
anybody know of the best place for ammo for this thing?

Also, i have a friend who wants one as well, but only if there is a round available for hunting for it. Does one even exist?

Link Posted: 8/16/2005 10:20:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By theseacow:
looks like ill go ahead and get one.
anybody know of the best place for ammo for this thing?

Also, i have a friend who wants one as well, but only if there is a round available for hunting for it. Does one even exist?




I ordered a 60rd brick from Dan's Ammo (dansammo.com) and another from Sportsmansguide.com and I think Dan's Ammo price with shipping was a dollar or two less.

-mark
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 10:32:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By theseacow:
looks like ill go ahead and get one.
anybody know of the best place for ammo for this thing?

Also, i have a friend who wants one as well, but only if there is a round available for hunting for it. Does one even exist?





You can buy hunting ammo in 7.5mm Swiss. I saw some Norma lead-tip 7.5 Swiss ammo at a gun store last week. It's expensive though. Are you sitting down? $60 for 20 rounds.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 11:00:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TacticalStrat:

Originally Posted By theseacow:
looks like ill go ahead and get one.
anybody know of the best place for ammo for this thing?

Also, i have a friend who wants one as well, but only if there is a round available for hunting for it. Does one even exist?





You can buy hunting ammo in 7.5mm Swiss. I saw some Norma lead-tip 7.5 Swiss ammo at a gun store last week. It's expensive though. Are you sitting down? $60 for 20 rounds.



Roll your own.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 11:36:14 AM EDT
so it's not a good idea to hunt with GP11?
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 11:41:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MauserMark:
so it's not a good idea to hunt with GP11?



No! Not a good idea to hunt with fmj. Doesn't produce humane kills.

Of course, you were probably joking when you asked the question.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 11:48:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By theseacow:
looks like ill go ahead and get one.
anybody know of the best place for ammo for this thing?

Also, i have a friend who wants one as well, but only if there is a round available for hunting for it. Does one even exist?




Here's the answer for hunting rounds. Comments from Cole Distributing: http://www.coledistributing.com/

FNM made,7.5x55 Swiss soft point ammunition.
*Non-corrosive.
*174 grain,copper alloy ,soft point bullets.
*Muzzle velocities of 2437 F.P.S.
*Tests show these bullets expand well on game animals.
*Boxer primed(large rifle),fully reloadable casings.
*Brass cased,annealed case necks.
*Sealed case necks and primers.
*Manufactored to U.S. SAAMI and european C.I.P. standards.
@$9.95/20 rnds.$48./100 rnds. $140./300 rnds.$225./500 rnds. or $399.95/1000 rnds.+S&H.

My guess is that $10 for 20 rounds is a reasonable price for hunting cartridges.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 5:21:55 PM EDT
My K31 should be arriving tomorrow from AIM, just sucks I can't touch it till Friday as I am in Atlanta for Wireless training.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 7:12:39 PM EDT
You can't stop at just one.



Link Posted: 8/16/2005 7:55:17 PM EDT
There's a finite number of K31's so I'd get one while the price is still where it is today. As soon as they dry up I predict the price will sky rocket on these and there's going to be a lot of folks saying "I wish I had of bought one when they were less than $100.".
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 7:56:25 PM EDT
They're rediculously accurate; I got to shoot my father's this weekend. And I thought my VZ24 was super accurate.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 10:35:41 PM EDT




That's all I can say.............TOTALLY pleased with how mine performed at the match last Saturday.
Although, the brass ejects pretty much straight up from the receiver.........so if you are a southpaw like me, beware HOT brass bouncing off the brim of your hat and into your face...


Dansammo.com has strippers 10 for $10.....get 'em while you can! Good price on ammo too.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:19:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Unka-Boo:




That's all I can say.............TOTALLY pleased with how mine performed at the match last Saturday.
Although, the brass ejects pretty much straight up from the receiver.........so if you are a southpaw like me, beware HOT brass bouncing off the brim of your hat and into your face...


Dansammo.com has strippers 10 for $10.....get 'em while you can! Good price on ammo too.




I thought it was just me. I have to make an effort to point the ejection port away to the right because if I forget I get a case right to the forehead.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:32:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JohnRippert:
You can't stop at just one.



img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/johnrippert/K31SixPack.jpg



Niiice, but all I see is short rifles. You need a long one too!

Link Posted: 8/17/2005 6:41:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 7:44:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MRW:
I took off early from work and drove up to AIM last night. Brought home two more. I don't resist gun hyping very well...



I don't either, darn it.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 8:55:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JohnRippert:
You can't stop at just one.



img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/johnrippert/K31SixPack.jpg



how is that clamp on mount?
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 9:13:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MauserMark:

Originally Posted By JohnRippert:
You can't stop at just one.



img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/johnrippert/K31SixPack.jpg



how is that clamp on mount?



Yeah, I want to know too.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 11:13:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 11:13:28 AM EDT by MauserMark]

Originally Posted By swingset:

Originally Posted By JohnRippert:
You can't stop at just one.



img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/johnrippert/K31SixPack.jpg



Niiice, but all I see is short rifles. You need a long one too!

home.alltel.net/swingset/temp/1911_SR_full.jpg



you suck.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 11:14:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JohnRippert:
You can't stop at just one.



img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/johnrippert/K31SixPack.jpg



which ones are walnut?
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 11:32:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MauserMark:

Originally Posted By JohnRippert:
You can't stop at just one.



img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/johnrippert/K31SixPack.jpg



which ones are walnut?



My guess is that the bottom three probably are.
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 12:10:04 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/17/2005 1:54:12 PM EDT
swingset:

I like short guns. The only long guns I have seen around me are at Collectors Firearms and the prices(ouch) are a bit steep for my taste. Heck, the K31 I saw there a few days ago was marked $325.


MauserMark & Shane333:

The darn thing cost more than the rifle did but it is a rock solid no gunsmithing mount that offsets to the right to clear the empties. I really like it but so far have only spent one range day with it. I was able to get a 1.5 inch 5-shot group with it using GP11. I need to take it out to the 200 and 300 yard portions of our range. I got mine here: www.grafs.com/fc/product/15734



The bottom 3 are walnut.


Link Posted: 8/17/2005 2:16:44 PM EDT
Yes, Darrell makes one for this rifle.

Dennis Jenkins


Originally Posted By MRW:
Did I hear someone say there is a scout mount for these things? ???





K-31 fever has hit hard.

Swingset, where did you get the longshanks? Are they still available?

Link Posted: 8/17/2005 3:29:56 PM EDT
The wife says my K31 arrived today.

I will have to post some pics of it when I get home on Friday and proceed to clean the hell out of it.
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