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Posted: 10/22/2013 5:13:33 PM EST
I have been toying with the idea of going the Form 1 route and buying a Mossberg 500 with an 18.5" factory barrel/5 round magazine tube and cutting the barrel down as far as the mag tube will allow, which I assume would put it at around 14-15." For those of you who have first hand experience with SBS's, is it worth the $200 tax stamp and ~9 month wait to cut the barrel down? As it stands, I currently have a Mossberg 500 with a 20" barrel, and it seems a it too long for home defense. I would imagine that cutting 6" off the barrel would greatly improve the maneuverability/effectiveness. Any thoughts on the topic?

Here is what I have as of now. Mossy 500 Persuader w/ 7+1 capacity.



Would a 14" barreled SBS be a worthy improvement over the 20" flavor for a dedicated home defense role?
Link Posted: 10/22/2013 5:21:27 PM EST
yes
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Yes.
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Link Posted: 10/23/2013 4:08:46 AM EST
Am I correct in assuming that cutting an 18.5" barrel down to the end of a 5 round magazine tube will result in a 14" barrel? I don't have one to measure, but Midway says that the tubes are 14."
Link Posted: 10/23/2013 4:33:14 AM EST
If I was to do an SBS pump gun I think I would look at the factory offerings.
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Link Posted: 10/23/2013 5:08:42 AM EST
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All I can do is say that the Mossberg capacity is 5 shells, so 5 X 2.75 equals 13.75.

I think your stock tube will be in the 15"-16" range. (room for compress mag spring, and tube endcap and follower)

Personally, if I were doing a short barreled shotgun, it would be an 870.....

Link Posted: 10/23/2013 5:16:43 AM EST
No. the capacity of a SBS is absurd.
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Originally Posted By ad_nauseam:
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You're doing it wrong. Boom stick isn't about capacity

12" (i believe that's flush with the tube) 870
No go on the mossy
<--- mossy owner
Link Posted: 10/23/2013 7:02:06 AM EST
My friend who is a SOT cut one down flush with the non extended tube and counterbored the barrel. Patterns better than a lot of the 18.5 inch guns we shoot
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The location of the action release on the 870 makes it a no go for me. I can't stand that reach...
Link Posted: 10/23/2013 11:01:50 AM EST
I started out with 870's when my father bought me an 870 Magnum Special Purpose for Christmas when I was 12. Before that I was shooting an 1100 Skeet but I wanted to give a pump a try. I never looked back.

The 870 treated me well for years but I prefer the Mossbergs now. I prefer having the open bottom which makes loading faster and easier, especially under stress. As someone mentioned before I like the Mossy safety location better also.

Now for the SBS issue. Yes, it's absolutely worth it but not if you are planning to use the original Mossy 500 mag tube. You'll only be down to around 15". I would recommend either getting a factory Mossy 590 14" SBS or replacing your mag tube with a factory Mossy mag tube designed for the 14" barrel.

I live in the People's Republic of Massachusetts and we are not allowed to Form 1 a shotgun (we can make our own SBR's though) because that would result in what MA law recognizes as a "Sawed-Off Shotgun". But, we are allowed to purchase factory SBS's because they have never been "sawed-off". Go figure. So I ended up with a factory Mossy 590 14" SBS and I'm very happy with it. My club hosted a shotgun course about 5 or 6 years ago and a Mossberg engineer who was a friend of the lead instructor brought a truckload of Mossberg shotguns, some still in the R&D stage with him. I had fired NFA shotguns before that but I got to spend a lot of trigger time with them that day.

Mossberg makes a good product. And I do feel that an SBS is worth the money. The compactness makes them much better for use inside buildings, same as SBR's.
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Originally Posted By Hawgleg44:
I started out with 870's when my father bought me an 870 Magnum Special Purpose for Christmas when I was 12. Before that I was shooting an 1100 Skeet but I wanted to give a pump a try. I never looked back.

The 870 treated me well for years but I prefer the Mossbergs now. I prefer having the open bottom which makes loading faster and easier, especially under stress. As someone mentioned before I like the Mossy safety location better also.

Now for the SBS issue. Yes, it's absolutely worth it but not if you are planning to use the original Mossy 500 mag tube. You'll only be down to around 15". I would recommend either getting a factory Mossy 590 14" SBS or replacing your mag tube with a factory Mossy mag tube designed for the 14" barrel.

I live in the People's Republic of Massachusetts and we are not allowed to Form 1 a shotgun (we can make our own SBR's though) because that would result in what MA law recognizes as a "Sawed-Off Shotgun". But, we are allowed to purchase factory SBS's because they have never been "sawed-off". Go figure. So I ended up with a factory Mossy 590 14" SBS and I'm very happy with it. My club hosted a shotgun course about 5 or 6 years ago and a Mossberg engineer who was a friend of the lead instructor brought a truckload of Mossberg shotguns, some still in the R&D stage with him. I had fired NFA shotguns before that but I got to spend a lot of trigger time with them that day.

Mossberg makes a good product. And I do feel that an SBS is worth the money. The compactness makes them much better for use inside buildings, same as SBR's.
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Good points. I completely agree with the open bottom--I always pinch my thumb on 870's whenever I try to load them quickly. If the factory tube will only bring me to 15", then I'll hold off for now because I'm on a budget.
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Meh, if I want capacity in a shotgun I'll grab one of my Saigas with a drum... in tight quarters, give me a SBS with reloads on board (if I have to/need to use a shotgun at all - suppressed SBR is my preference for almost everything). Capacity is not the hallmark of a shotgun to begin with.

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Originally Posted By ad_nauseam:
No. the capacity of a SBS is absurd.

Meh, if I want capacity in a shotgun I'll grab one of my Saigas with a drum... in tight quarters, give me a SBS with reloads on board (if I have to/need to use a shotgun at all - suppressed SBR is my preference for almost everything). Capacity is not the hallmark of a shotgun to begin with.


Do you think a suppressed SBR would really be better thsn a shotgun for home defense? I am seriously considering going the SBR route with my AMD-65 because it already has a 12" barrel with a welded muzzle brake, so it should be a fairly easy conversion. The suppressor would come several months later.
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Originally Posted By pointman12:

Do you think a suppressed SBR would really be better thsn a shotgun for home defense? I am seriously considering going the SBR route with my AMD-65 because it already has a 12" barrel with a welded muzzle brake, so it should be a fairly easy conversion. The suppressor would come several 15 months later.
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Originally Posted By pointman12:
Originally Posted By HardShell:
Originally Posted By ad_nauseam:
No. the capacity of a SBS is absurd.

Meh, if I want capacity in a shotgun I'll grab one of my Saigas with a drum... in tight quarters, give me a SBS with reloads on board (if I have to/need to use a shotgun at all - suppressed SBR is my preference for almost everything). Capacity is not the hallmark of a shotgun to begin with.


Do you think a suppressed SBR would really be better thsn a shotgun for home defense? I am seriously considering going the SBR route with my AMD-65 because it already has a 12" barrel with a welded muzzle brake, so it should be a fairly easy conversion. The suppressor would come several 15 months later.

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I think the "cool" factor of a SBS is 10x that of an SBR but I'm not sure of the usefulness. I already have a few stamps and every time I get a raise or a tax return I think seriously about sending in Forms for my 870.

Good grief, just LOOK at these things!

<3 <3 <3 <3

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Originally Posted By pointman12:
Originally Posted By HardShell:
Originally Posted By ad_nauseam:
No. the capacity of a SBS is absurd.

Meh, if I want capacity in a shotgun I'll grab one of my Saigas with a drum... in tight quarters, give me a SBS with reloads on board (if I have to/need to use a shotgun at all - suppressed SBR is my preference for almost everything). Capacity is not the hallmark of a shotgun to begin with.


Do you think a suppressed SBR would really be better thsn a shotgun for home defense? I am seriously considering going the SBR route with my AMD-65 because it already has a 12" barrel with a welded muzzle brake, so it should be a fairly easy conversion. The suppressor would come several 15 months later.



Seriously?!?!
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Originally Posted By AR45fan:
I think the "cool" factor of a SBS is 10x that of an SBR but I'm not sure of the usefulness. I already have a few stamps and every time I get a raise or a tax return I think seriously about sending in Forms for my 870.

Good grief, just LOOK at these things!

<3 <3 <3 <3

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Completely agree There's just something about a shotgun with a really short barrel. Maybe it's the fact that we just don't see them all too often that makes them so cool.
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Too expensive
Link Posted: 10/23/2013 2:13:31 PM EST
Ok, was a good review.
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Originally Posted By pointman12:

Do you think a suppressed SBR would really be better thsn a shotgun for home defense? I am seriously considering going the SBR route with my AMD-65 because it already has a 12" barrel with a welded muzzle brake, so it should be a fairly easy conversion. The suppressor would come several months later.
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Originally Posted By pointman12:
Originally Posted By HardShell:
Originally Posted By ad_nauseam:
No. the capacity of a SBS is absurd.

Meh, if I want capacity in a shotgun I'll grab one of my Saigas with a drum... in tight quarters, give me a SBS with reloads on board (if I have to/need to use a shotgun at all - suppressed SBR is my preference for almost everything). Capacity is not the hallmark of a shotgun to begin with.


Do you think a suppressed SBR would really be better thsn a shotgun for home defense? I am seriously considering going the SBR route with my AMD-65 because it already has a 12" barrel with a welded muzzle brake, so it should be a fairly easy conversion. The suppressor would come several months later.


The AMD-65 is easiest SBR I've ever made. Dremel off the tack weld on the barrel extension and screw on the muzzle device of your choice. I kept mine as short as possible and went with just a muzzle nut. Mine came from TN Guns with the rail already installed.

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The AMD-65 is easiest SBR I've ever made. Dremel off the tack weld on the barrel extension and screw on the muzzle device of your choice. I kept mine as short as possible and went with just a muzzle nut. Mine came from TN Guns with the rail already installed.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/Hawglegf44/81a4c85e81c3227c3db1011d6eb6c683_zpsb6ebc67c.jpg
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Originally Posted By Hawgleg44:
Originally Posted By pointman12:
Originally Posted By HardShell:
Originally Posted By ad_nauseam:
No. the capacity of a SBS is absurd.

Meh, if I want capacity in a shotgun I'll grab one of my Saigas with a drum... in tight quarters, give me a SBS with reloads on board (if I have to/need to use a shotgun at all - suppressed SBR is my preference for almost everything). Capacity is not the hallmark of a shotgun to begin with.


Do you think a suppressed SBR would really be better thsn a shotgun for home defense? I am seriously considering going the SBR route with my AMD-65 because it already has a 12" barrel with a welded muzzle brake, so it should be a fairly easy conversion. The suppressor would come several months later.


The AMD-65 is easiest SBR I've ever made. Dremel off the tack weld on the barrel extension and screw on the muzzle device of your choice. I kept mine as short as possible and went with just a muzzle nut. Mine came from TN Guns with the rail already installed.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/Hawglegf44/81a4c85e81c3227c3db1011d6eb6c683_zpsb6ebc67c.jpg

Very nice! That's pretty much what I'm going for, except with the addition of a can. Mine is a TGI build on a FEG receiver and the brake is just loosely spot welded on there. It is SCREAMING to be cut off, but that of course would instantly turn it into an illegal toddler-slaying death machine with high capacity assault clipazines and a shoulder thing that goes up.....so we certainly can't have that happen!




















Link Posted: 10/23/2013 4:44:46 PM EST
I am in the process of doing 3 SBSs.

I just need to wait about 8-9 months.
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Originally Posted By pointman12:

Very nice! That's pretty much what I'm going for, except with the addition of a can. Mine is a TGI build on a FEG receiver and the brake is just loosely spot welded on there. It is SCREAMING to be cut off, but that of course would instantly turn it into an illegal toddler-slaying death machine with high capacity assault clipazines and a shoulder thing that goes up.....so we certainly can't have that happen!




















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Originally Posted By pointman12:
Originally Posted By HardShell:
Originally Posted By ad_nauseam:
No. the capacity of a SBS is absurd.

Meh, if I want capacity in a shotgun I'll grab one of my Saigas with a drum... in tight quarters, give me a SBS with reloads on board (if I have to/need to use a shotgun at all - suppressed SBR is my preference for almost everything). Capacity is not the hallmark of a shotgun to begin with.


Do you think a suppressed SBR would really be better thsn a shotgun for home defense? I am seriously considering going the SBR route with my AMD-65 because it already has a 12" barrel with a welded muzzle brake, so it should be a fairly easy conversion. The suppressor would come several months later.


The AMD-65 is easiest SBR I've ever made. Dremel off the tack weld on the barrel extension and screw on the muzzle device of your choice. I kept mine as short as possible and went with just a muzzle nut. Mine came from TN Guns with the rail already installed.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/Hawglegf44/81a4c85e81c3227c3db1011d6eb6c683_zpsb6ebc67c.jpg

Very nice! That's pretty much what I'm going for, except with the addition of a can. Mine is a TGI build on a FEG receiver and the brake is just loosely spot welded on there. It is SCREAMING to be cut off, but that of course would instantly turn it into an illegal toddler-slaying death machine with high capacity assault clipazines and a shoulder thing that goes up.....so we certainly can't have that happen!






















We can't have cans here in MA. With the AMD, I hate the damn wire stock on them. They are one small step away from totally useless. I'm removing the trunion and installing a fixed stock trunion and using a NATO length black synthetic stock.
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We can't have cans here in MA. With the AMD, I hate the damn wire stock on them. They are one small step away from totally useless. I'm removing the trunion and installing a fixed stock trunion and using a NATO length black synthetic stock.
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That sucks . I agree that it is very difficult to use, but have you tried the cheek riser from amd65tech.com? I have one on mine and it makes a world of a difference. You can get a good cheek weld with the irons, and you still retain the ability to fold the stock (I keep mine in a Larue covert rifle case in the car, so this is necessary for me). The riser is like $35, which is a heck of a lot cheaper and easier than replacing the rear trunnion.

http://www.amd65tech.com

Mine is butt ugly, but it just keeps on running and is very compact.






/thread jack
Link Posted: 10/23/2013 5:36:51 PM EST
Yes, there was a thread in GD saying they spoke the the NFA branch and they were quoted February 2015 if you mail now

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That sucks . I agree that it is very difficult to use, but have you tried the cheek riser from amd65tech.com? I have one on mine and it makes a world of a difference. You can get a good cheek weld with the irons, and you still retain the ability to fold the stock (I keep mine in a Larue covert rifle case in the car, so this is necessary for me). The riser is like $35, which is a heck of a lot cheaper and easier than replacing the rear trunnion.

http://www.amd65tech.com

Mine is butt ugly, but it just keeps on running and is very compact.

http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p691/nigelcornwallis/20130211_144346_zpseafd6328.jpg

http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p691/nigelcornwallis/20130731_003248_zps4c01ba1d.jpg


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We can't have cans here in MA. With the AMD, I hate the damn wire stock on them. They are one small step away from totally useless. I'm removing the trunion and installing a fixed stock trunion and using a NATO length black synthetic stock.

That sucks . I agree that it is very difficult to use, but have you tried the cheek riser from amd65tech.com? I have one on mine and it makes a world of a difference. You can get a good cheek weld with the irons, and you still retain the ability to fold the stock (I keep mine in a Larue covert rifle case in the car, so this is necessary for me). The riser is like $35, which is a heck of a lot cheaper and easier than replacing the rear trunnion.

http://www.amd65tech.com

Mine is butt ugly, but it just keeps on running and is very compact.

http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p691/nigelcornwallis/20130211_144346_zpseafd6328.jpg

http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p691/nigelcornwallis/20130731_003248_zps4c01ba1d.jpg


/thread jack


I've seen that riser. I considered forming my own and welding it on but I prefer the feel of a standard stock anyway.

When I need a covert way of carrying a long gun it's usually when I'm traveling with my wife and I'm crossing state lines. I bring this along in a custom bottom in my duffel bag so I can avoid sending in the 5320.

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I've seen that riser. I considered forming my own and welding it on but I prefer the feel of a standard stock anyway.




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Originally Posted By pointman12:


We can't have cans here in MA. With the AMD, I hate the damn wire stock on them. They are one small step away from totally useless. I'm removing the trunion and installing a fixed stock trunion and using a NATO length black synthetic stock.

That sucks . I agree that it is very difficult to use, but have you tried the cheek riser from amd65tech.com? I have one on mine and it makes a world of a difference. You can get a good cheek weld with the irons, and you still retain the ability to fold the stock (I keep mine in a Larue covert rifle case in the car, so this is necessary for me). The riser is like $35, which is a heck of a lot cheaper and easier than replacing the rear trunnion.

http://www.amd65tech.com

Mine is butt ugly, but it just keeps on running and is very compact.

http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p691/nigelcornwallis/20130211_144346_zpseafd6328.jpg

http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p691/nigelcornwallis/20130731_003248_zps4c01ba1d.jpg


/thread jack


I've seen that riser. I considered forming my own and welding it on but I prefer the feel of a standard stock anyway.




http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/Hawglegf44/a23aaa33b49e391b8c242a1287bc3714_zps257e97ec.jpg


I would delete that comment

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I would delete that comment

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Originally Posted By pointman12:


We can't have cans here in MA. With the AMD, I hate the damn wire stock on them. They are one small step away from totally useless. I'm removing the trunion and installing a fixed stock trunion and using a NATO length black synthetic stock.

That sucks . I agree that it is very difficult to use, but have you tried the cheek riser from amd65tech.com? I have one on mine and it makes a world of a difference. You can get a good cheek weld with the irons, and you still retain the ability to fold the stock (I keep mine in a Larue covert rifle case in the car, so this is necessary for me). The riser is like $35, which is a heck of a lot cheaper and easier than replacing the rear trunnion.

http://www.amd65tech.com

Mine is butt ugly, but it just keeps on running and is very compact.

http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p691/nigelcornwallis/20130211_144346_zpseafd6328.jpg

http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p691/nigelcornwallis/20130731_003248_zps4c01ba1d.jpg


/thread jack


I've seen that riser. I considered forming my own and welding it on but I prefer the feel of a standard stock anyway.




http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/Hawglegf44/a23aaa33b49e391b8c242a1287bc3714_zps257e97ec.jpg


I would delete that comment



I wasn't clear in my post. I can avoid the 5320 because I'm leaving the NFA stuff at home in the safe. That's a completely legal 18-1/4" barrelled 1897 Winchester takedown model in the bottom of my duffel bag.
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Someone's blowing smoke ,up someone's ass.
This AOW - SBS holds the factory 5 rds. 14" bbl It's a factory Mossy AOW, i'm SBS'ing. Kind of a long way to get what i want, but i'm only out the original $5 AOW stamp The tube is different for a factory AOW or SBS than standard S/guns.

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Someone's blowing smoke ,up someone's ass.
This AOW - SBS holds the factory 5 rds. 14" bbl It's a factory Mossy AOW, i'm SBS'ing. Kind of a long way to get what i want, but i'm only out the original $5 AOW stamp The tube is different for a factory AOW or SBS than standard S/guns.

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No. the capacity of a SBS is absurd.



Someone's blowing smoke ,up someone's ass.
This AOW - SBS holds the factory 5 rds. 14" bbl It's a factory Mossy AOW, i'm SBS'ing. Kind of a long way to get what i want, but i'm only out the original $5 AOW stamp The tube is different for a factory AOW or SBS than standard S/guns.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u129/51jim/100_0757_zpsc5e1a61a.jpg

Is it possible to buy a shorter tube/barrel from the factory, or is cutting/welding them the only option? That is, cutting the tube and barrel down, moving the lug back, and welding it into place.
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I have 3 SBS (two 14" 870's and a 10.2" 12 ga. NEF SB1) and a 12ga o/u AOW.

I love 14" 870's. They are much more maneuverable than even an 18" bbl gun.
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I have 3 SBS (two 14" 870's and a 10.2" 12 ga. NEF SB1) and a 12ga o/u AOW.

I love 14" 870's. They are much more maneuverable than even an 18" bbl gun.
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Oh come on. You can't come saying that without posting pictures of them!









But seriously.
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Is it possible to buy a shorter tube/barrel from the factory, or is cutting/welding them the only option? That is, cutting the tube and barrel down, moving the lug back, and welding it into place.
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No. the capacity of a SBS is absurd.



Someone's blowing smoke ,up someone's ass.
This AOW - SBS holds the factory 5 rds. 14" bbl It's a factory Mossy AOW, i'm SBS'ing. Kind of a long way to get what i want, but i'm only out the original $5 AOW stamp The tube is different for a factory AOW or SBS than standard S/guns.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u129/51jim/100_0757_zpsc5e1a61a.jpg

Is it possible to buy a shorter tube/barrel from the factory, or is cutting/welding them the only option? That is, cutting the tube and barrel down, moving the lug back, and welding it into place.


This came off the Shockwave Technologies site about purchasing the factory 14" barrel/mag assembly. Unless you want to do some welding you will have to buy the barrel also:

Mossy 14" Parts Info

While you're there check out the Raptor Grip. I use it on my 590 SBS sometimes and it's a LOT more comfortable than a traditional vertical pistol grip.
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I've always liked the Serbu shortys
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Originally Posted By cyclone:
I've always liked the Serbu shortys
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Those just seem a little TOO short. I would feel a little more comfortable with more than 3 rounds on board.
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Originally Posted By Hawgleg44:


The AMD-65 is easiest SBR I've ever made. Dremel off the tack weld on the barrel extension and screw on the muzzle device of your choice. I kept mine as short as possible and went with just a muzzle nut. Mine came from TN Guns with the rail already installed.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/Hawglegf44/81a4c85e81c3227c3db1011d6eb6c683_zpsb6ebc67c.jpg
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No. the capacity of a SBS is absurd.

Meh, if I want capacity in a shotgun I'll grab one of my Saigas with a drum... in tight quarters, give me a SBS with reloads on board (if I have to/need to use a shotgun at all - suppressed SBR is my preference for almost everything). Capacity is not the hallmark of a shotgun to begin with.


Do you think a suppressed SBR would really be better thsn a shotgun for home defense? I am seriously considering going the SBR route with my AMD-65 because it already has a 12" barrel with a welded muzzle brake, so it should be a fairly easy conversion. The suppressor would come several months later.


The AMD-65 is easiest SBR I've ever made. Dremel off the tack weld on the barrel extension and screw on the muzzle device of your choice. I kept mine as short as possible and went with just a muzzle nut. Mine came from TN Guns with the rail already installed.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/Hawglegf44/81a4c85e81c3227c3db1011d6eb6c683_zpsb6ebc67c.jpg

It's even easier to SBR a Draco. Just drill and tap for an Ace or Bonesteel folder.
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Originally Posted By bushmaster069:

It's even easier to SBR a Draco. Just drill and tap for an Ace or Bonesteel folder.
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Originally Posted By bushmaster069:
Originally Posted By Hawgleg44:
Originally Posted By pointman12:
Originally Posted By HardShell:
Originally Posted By ad_nauseam:
No. the capacity of a SBS is absurd.

Meh, if I want capacity in a shotgun I'll grab one of my Saigas with a drum... in tight quarters, give me a SBS with reloads on board (if I have to/need to use a shotgun at all - suppressed SBR is my preference for almost everything). Capacity is not the hallmark of a shotgun to begin with.


Do you think a suppressed SBR would really be better thsn a shotgun for home defense? I am seriously considering going the SBR route with my AMD-65 because it already has a 12" barrel with a welded muzzle brake, so it should be a fairly easy conversion. The suppressor would come several months later.


The AMD-65 is easiest SBR I've ever made. Dremel off the tack weld on the barrel extension and screw on the muzzle device of your choice. I kept mine as short as possible and went with just a muzzle nut. Mine came from TN Guns with the rail already installed.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/Hawglegf44/81a4c85e81c3227c3db1011d6eb6c683_zpsb6ebc67c.jpg

It's even easier to SBR a Draco. Just drill and tap for an Ace or Bonesteel folder.

An AMD doesnt even require drilling or tapping. You just cut the loosely welded muzzle brake off and you're golden.

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To be honest I feel the same way and probably never would have bought one myself. .. but I happened to win one in a raffle, so once the wait is over I will have one for the grand total of a $5 ticket and a $5 stamp.
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Originally Posted By HardShell:
Originally Posted By pointman12:
Originally Posted By cyclone:
I've always liked the Serbu shortys

Those just seem a little TOO short. I would feel a little more comfortable with more than 3 rounds on board.

To be honest I feel the same way and probably never would have bought one myself. .. but I happened to win one in a raffle, so once the wait is over I will have one for the grand total of a $5 ticket and a $5 stamp.

Well, for $10 and the wait I MIGHT try one. I might even take one on an 870 action if it were free!
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 4:21:28 PM EST
It's still pretty long even with a 12" barrel and adjustable stock. A double barrel at about 8 or 10 inches would be much more compact.

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Originally Posted By pointman12:

An AMD doesnt even require drilling or tapping. You just cut the loosely welded muzzle brake off and you're golden.

http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p691/nigelcornwallis/20131025_194515-1_zps99f8077a.jpg
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Originally Posted By pointman12:
Originally Posted By bushmaster069:
Originally Posted By Hawgleg44:
The AMD-65 is easiest SBR I've ever made. Dremel off the tack weld on the barrel extension and screw on the muzzle device of your choice. I kept mine as short as possible and went with just a muzzle nut. Mine came from TN Guns with the rail already installed.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/Hawglegf44/81a4c85e81c3227c3db1011d6eb6c683_zpsb6ebc67c.jpg

It's even easier to SBR a Draco. Just drill and tap for an Ace or Bonesteel folder.

An AMD doesnt even require drilling or tapping. You just cut the loosely welded muzzle brake off and you're golden.

http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p691/nigelcornwallis/20131025_194515-1_zps99f8077a.jpg


Yeah, I still have to stick with the AMD as the easiest SBR I've ever done. Not that a Draco would be hard, but the AMD takes less than 10 minutes to do, including the cosmetic work.
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Originally Posted By TN-MadDog:
It's still pretty long even with a 12" barrel and adjustable stock. A double barrel at about 8 or 10 inches would be much more compact.

<a href="http://s251.photobucket.com/user/jmadonia/media/SBSpavers.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg290/jmadonia/SBSpavers.jpg</a>
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"pretty long" is a very relative term
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Originally Posted By AR45fan:
I think the "cool" factor of a SBS is 10x that of an SBR but I'm not sure of the usefulness. I already have a few stamps and every time I get a raise or a tax return I think seriously about sending in Forms for my 870.

Good grief, just LOOK at these things!

<3 <3 <3 <3

http://50ae.net/gunpics/sbs.jpg
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Absolutely agree. I don't even like shotguns that much, but I have a SBS and don't even know if I am ever going to get a SBR.

Link Posted: 10/26/2013 1:35:18 AM EST
It wouldn't be for me and that's just strictly a personal preference, I wouldn't want to spend the money and wait just to shave a couple inches off my barrel, but on the other hand I know guys that have and seem to like them.
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