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9/19/2017 7:27:10 PM
Posted: 4/5/2002 8:47:09 AM EDT
I don't have any optics. How many of you guys do not own any optics at all for your AR's ?
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 8:58:46 AM EDT
Yes, for all uppers but my service rifle.

Mike
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 9:49:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 9:51:36 AM EDT
No optics here
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 9:55:51 AM EDT
I do have a scope on mine, but I have the see-thru mount, so I can still use my irons! I actually prefer the iron sights (It's the Marine in me), but I do like to scope to be able to look down range quickly. I can shoot very well with the iron sights, and I guess that's why I like them so much. It's a little more of a challenge also!
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 9:55:58 AM EDT
I have a 3x9 scope and a red dot to just play with, but mostly I shoot with iron sights.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 9:57:51 AM EDT
4X20 with see through on the Bushy, nothing on the DCM
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 10:06:17 AM EDT
No Optics yet, but I'll be looking for an Aimpoint M2 for my Bushy M4gry withing a few weeks. A must for fast Target Aquisition.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 11:09:07 AM EDT
I've got more optics than I have AR-15s.

Optics Junkie, I guess.

- RRA 16" M4 LEGP w/OKO
- BM 16" carbine w/Reflex II 12.5 moa triangle
- BM 20" gov't profile lightweight w/compact ACOG
- BM 24" Vmatch w/10x Super Sniper-M

spare BSA scope lieing around collecting dust.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 11:50:06 AM EDT
Aimpoint Comp ML with MAD backup iron on one, just iron on another.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 12:18:43 PM EDT
On my flat top bull barrel 4x12 Burris compact with target knobs

On my New Armalite M15A2 Carbine just the A2 iron sites
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 12:58:06 PM EDT
Comp ML for my semi auto AR and iron sites for the 16.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 1:19:24 PM EDT
I put a scope on to check load accuracy. I also install a holosight for fun plinking, mostly for wife and friends.
Otherwise it's iron.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 1:27:01 PM EDT
IRONS all the way BABY!!!
On my 20" that is.

When I get an M4gery, I'll buy an Aimpoint.

Link Posted: 4/5/2002 1:33:15 PM EDT
Just Irons on my CAR. For the M4 I am going to build I would like to get one of those SUSATS like on the british SA-80's.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 4:44:41 PM EDT
I just picked up a red dot for one of my AR's a couple of weeks ago. I got it just to try out and I realized I don't own one rifle with a scope on it. I usually am not willing to trust any optics on my rifles, to many chances for a critical failure when it could really matter.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 4:49:35 PM EDT
REAL MEN use IRON SIGHTS!

END OF STORY!
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 5:03:47 PM EDT
I used to be a die hard iron sights kind of guy.

Not that I didn't check out lots of optics, always looking for an "edge". But found none that changed my mind. Until......

I got my compact ACOG.

Don't get me wrong I think a person should be good with irons. But man, that ACOG is awesome. It's FAST and is great in low or no light conditions.

Of course it's got see through sights for the irons and is on a fixed carry handle.

Just in case. Got to have the back up for sure.

For those with just irons I have one question. How would you shoot at night/low light conditions? Barring nightvision of course. Do those tritium sights work that well?
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 5:04:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedave1164:

On my New Armalite M15A2 Carbine just the A2 iron sites



Same as on my M15A2. Congrats on a wise purchasing decision- you made a good choice. Great gun, great accessories, great customer service at ArmaLite. (No, I'm not getting paid for saying this :^) )

Optics: I checked out a Trijicon ACOG yesterday on an acquaintance's Bushy- looks pretty interesting, but since I am used to shooting offhand w/iron sights (100 yds. or so), I find scopes tend to make the image dance around too much. Others will have diff. experiences, but for what I do, I'll stick to iron sights for now.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 5:11:15 PM EDT
I voted no.

I do OWN a cheap leapers 3x9x28 scope. Used it once and put it away. I figure if my eyesight gets any worse I will not have a choice. Targets are getting hard to see at 100 yards now.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 5:11:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By markm:
REAL MEN use IRON SIGHTS!

END OF STORY!



So are you saying the Special Forces are not REAL MEN?
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 5:21:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LotBoy:

Originally Posted By markm:
REAL MEN use IRON SIGHTS!

END OF STORY!



So are you saying the Special Forces are not REAL MEN?



I'll have to quote Jeff Spicoli....

"those guys are fags."
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 5:35:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By markm:

Originally Posted By LotBoy:

Originally Posted By markm:
REAL MEN use IRON SIGHTS!

END OF STORY!



So are you saying the Special Forces are not REAL MEN?



I'll have to quote Jeff Spicoli....

"those guys are fags."



Dang, you are!
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 5:38:46 PM EDT
Whoa we're almost at 50-50.
This makes me belive 2 things.

Either 1/2 of us are Poor, or 1/2 of us are good with irons and feel it doesn't justify the cost of optics.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 6:38:52 PM EDT
I have a mix of everything.

2 High Power rifles - competition iron sights
1 HP practice rifle - competition iron sights
2 A2 government rifles - mil spec iron sights
1 M4A2 - iron / Aimpoint
1 M4 flat top - Aimpoint / NV scope (VERY COOL!)
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 7:02:57 PM EDT
no scope, what fun would it be?
you look through the scope, and unless you are retarded you hit exactly what you are looking at, zoomed in!
i just dont get it, unless your hunting with it.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 7:04:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/5/2002 7:07:34 PM EDT by Bravo5-2]
ditto on the mix;
(2) A1 Iron
(3) A2 Iron
(2) A3 w/6.5x20x50mm Target Turret Optics

variety... it's the spice of life!

Bravo5-2
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 7:07:19 PM EDT
i got it, its so you guys can have more stuff. okay im in, but i still wont scope it. EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 7:28:26 PM EDT
Fixed carry handle with Iron sights for me. Although there is a PAQ-4 mounted, does that count?

mrf2
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 8:00:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MurderSHO45:
Whoa we're almost at 50-50.
This makes me belive 2 things.

Either 1/2 of us are Poor, or 1/2 of us are good with irons and feel it doesn't justify the cost of optics.



Thats interesting. I only have irons becuase I'm poor, LOL. But I am quite good with my irons. I will get optics someday.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 8:06:28 PM EDT
Irons are ofr BACKUP!

REAL men shoot with scopes!
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 8:12:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 10:24:54 PM EDT
WOOOO HOOOO.
More peps without Optics!!!
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 3:11:30 AM EDT
2 uppers w/optics & 1 with A2 sights.
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 5:42:59 AM EDT
I still have phenomenal vision and only use irons. I'd like an ACOG but its hard to justify the cost when I can buy another rifle for less. Maybe two. You guys know how that is: there's always another rifle. There've been plenty of times I've told my wife, "I think I've got enough rifles, now I'll buy some accessories." We all know how that turns out.
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 6:52:47 AM EDT
Optics baby! Its the 21st century!
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 7:14:35 AM EDT
One with optics (OKO) and 2 without.
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 7:35:08 AM EDT
I have 2 M4gery's here and use Aimpoint ML2 with irons as backup on the A2 and EOtech with irons as backup on the flat top. Irons should always be the way to learn the basics of shootiing but with todays optics making target aquisition and follow up shots so much easier and faster its the state of the art way to go.
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 8:39:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Pompey:
no scope, what fun would it be?
you look through the scope, and unless you are retarded you hit exactly what you are looking at, zoomed in!
i just dont get it, unless your hunting with it.


There's also a little thing called "trigger control" that figures in the equation.
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 9:57:09 AM EDT
I scope up my Bushmaster HBar for varmint shooting. Otherwise, I use iron sights only but I'm not fundamentally opposed to optics.
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 11:02:38 AM EDT
1 1903a3 - Iron
1 M1 Garand - Iron
1 M1 Carbine - iron
1 M1A - Iron
1 20" HBAR AR - Iron
1 16" HBAR AR - Iron

Still need a m1917 (looking for a good shooter)

I'm just a service rifle kind of guy I guess.

However, 1 4-14 56mm govt style scope coming for the M1A (Turning into my longer range configured rifle, also useful if I ever want to shoot Bambi).

Future plans include a holo sight on the 16" which is turning into my tactical carbine.

It's nice to have so many toys...

Ray
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 11:45:59 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 3:06:16 PM EDT
I use iron sights only. Optics are fine though.
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 3:13:55 PM EDT
Spent all my money on a REAL M-4 with 2 pistol cal uppers.....

I WANT optics, but gotta save up some more money. Anyone want to sell theirs cheap?
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 6:41:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 8:16:36 PM EDT
I have a scope, but I am thinking about selling it as I prefer the iron sights.
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 8:43:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/6/2002 8:48:36 PM EDT by ARlady]

Originally Posted By markm:
REAL MEN use IRON SIGHTS!

END OF STORY!



and women as well!

edited add, i'm not opposed to iron sights but i don't feel that there's as much challenge with a scoped rifle.

i mean, get a 1" group from a scoped rifle and you're on par. but getting a 1" group with iron sights means you really have to know how to sight it. let's face it, even moving your cheek forward or backward an inch can make a difference in your sight picture. the variability of that alone makes shooting with irons more of a challenge.
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 8:52:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/6/2002 11:24:59 PM EDT by Boomer]
I don't have optics on any of my 5 ARs. I simply don't feel that the type of shooting I typically do necessitates or justifies the added expense of optical sights. I am able to consistently hit the type of targets I tend to shoot at out to 300+ yards with open A2 sights.

I would eventually like to mount a 4x scope on one of my 7.62x39 AR carbines to use for hunting, but it just isn't that much of priority. If I ever get around to putting together a long, heavy barreled varmint AR, I'd be sure to drop some coin for some serious glass, though.
Link Posted: 4/6/2002 9:11:34 PM EDT
Reflex II on my bushmaster 16",iron sights on my colt sporter II
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