In the Market for a clone (k Style Specifically) Help me decide.

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - In the Market for a clone (k Style Specifically) Help me decide.

Posted: 4/14/2017 9:30:47 PM EDT

Im in the market to purchase a K Style mp5 Clone.

I got my choices down to 2 and 1 option

Omega K Pistol

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Zenith Z5-P

My goal is to SBR it as soon as i receive it.
i want the k style because ive always loved pdw type weapons and i want it to be the K style with the 3lug/Threaded Barrel setup already factory. I understand i could get one without but thats not what i want, as i also will have a can to put on it as well..

Can some of the owners list the pros and cons?

POF is out. I know its a good clone as well. But i just cant come to buying something from Pakistan.

Anyways, Atlandtic ( Omega ) has a good deal going on with for the omega K pistol with a free micro dot (free is free, wont argue the quality)

now the "option" is i can also get the Omega k Barreled optic rail Upper for roughly around $300 less and it obviously doesnt include the trigger pack.

but i just want to be sure i make the best purchase. Im pretty new to the H&K world but ive wanted an mp5 (clone) for a while.

Please help me decide. This is a purchase to be made within 1 week or less. So atlantic doesnt run out of stock hopefully

Thanks!

Posted: 4/14/2017 10:11:20 PM EDT

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Omega avoids 922r hassle and they're pretty good quality. WB is apparently doing better work than TB did.

MKE is built on factory tooling but again will require 922r parts.

Personally I'd go Omega as 922r compliance makes the MKE more expensive.

Disclaimer: I have two MKEs and an Omega SD barreled receiver that has been checked out, so I have some foundation from which to speak.

Posted: 4/14/2017 10:37:02 PM EDT

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I went with the Zenith, full size. For 922r, in addition to the buttstock, you can use, trigger, sear, hammer, trigger box, and forearm. I like the wide forearm, and you'll eventually need a buttstock, so these 2 parts will get purchased anyway. The remaining 4 parts will cost you around $125. If you go with a flash suppressor, a US made 3 lug is an additional $100.

I am sure the Omega is fine, but I saw TB's products first hand years ago, and I choose not to go there.

Posted: 4/14/2017 10:48:09 PM EDT

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sorry for the stupid question WB? TB?

sorry my acronom understanding is a little bad on those 2

Posted: 4/14/2017 11:05:34 PM EDT

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The mp5 clone world has had some interesting people behind it. TB (a person) has a less then stellar reputation. WB (another real person) is the new guy (related to TB) But he has been doing a better job.

Again, the clone world has had a lot of drama over the years.

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Posted: 4/14/2017 11:25:19 PM EDT

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Got the zenith z5rs first and almost immediately went looking for the other sizes. I borderline prefer the Z5p (top) to the "real" HK sp5k off to the right because of the tri lug barrel and paddle mag release. Not much difference in quality of fit or finish between the HK and Zenith as far as I can tell side by side.

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Posted: 4/15/2017 1:12:21 AM EDT

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Have an RS and I would do another Zenith in a heart beat...

Posted: 4/15/2017 1:46:31 AM EDT

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The mp5 clone world has had some interesting people behind it. TB (a person) has a less then stellar reputation. WB (another real person) is the new guy (related to TB) But he has been doing a better job.

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Yea I read a little over at hkpro for a while now. Obviously I gotta buy the gun first. But heard some good things about GB (Ghille) but I'll worry about that after getting it.

I'm leaning toward the omega but I been seeing more on the zenith (and POF) but not much on the omega.

Does anyone know if there's any actual "unique" differences between an omega and a zenith? Besides fit n finish. Either an upgrade or a better material on some part? Or designed better.

Also what does everyone think about just getting an omega k barreled receiver and buying a trigger pack separately ? Any benefit ?

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Posted: 4/15/2017 5:50:56 AM EDT

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Yea I read a little over at hkpro for a while now. Obviously I gotta buy the gun first. But heard some good things about GB (Ghille) but I'll worry about that after getting it.

I'm leaning toward the omega but I been seeing more on the zenith (and POF) but not much on the omega.

Does anyone know if there's any actual "unique" differences between an omega and a zenith? Besides fit n finish. Either an upgrade or a better material on some part? Or designed better.

Also what does everyone think about just getting an omega k barreled receiver and buying a trigger pack separately ? Any benefit ?

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The Omega uses a clip on lower (has a shelf).......the Zenith uses a pushpin lower and has an internal block to prohibit installation of a FA carrier.....those would be the 2 biggest differences that come to mind....

Posted: 4/15/2017 8:15:32 AM EDT

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I'm also in the market for a clone. I'm still confused as to what to buy. It sounds like the Omega and the Zenith are comparable, but why the $500 additional for this one. MP5K by Kelly

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:50:13 AM EDT

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Love my Zenith, highly recommended

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Posted: 4/15/2017 11:06:31 AM EDT

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I think it's the custom factor and the internals being upgraded etc

Posted: 4/15/2017 11:41:15 AM EDT

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The mp5 clone world has had some interesting people behind it. TB (a person) has a less then stellar reputation. WB (another real person) is the new guy (related to TB) But he has been doing a better job.

Again, the clone world has had a lot of drama over the years.

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I don't know if you are trying to be edgy, don't want to name them, or don't know who they are, but for the OP it is Todd and Wendy Bailey. They were responsible for Special Weapons and a couple companies under different names that made less than stellar products.

Posted: 4/15/2017 11:44:18 AM EDT

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So which one did you buy, and from who?

Posted: 4/15/2017 11:56:42 AM EDT

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I don't know if you are trying to be edgy, don't want to name them, or don't know who they are, but for the OP it is Todd and Wendy Bailey. They were responsible for Special Weapons and a couple companies under different names that made less than stellar products.

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The mp5 clone world has had some interesting people behind it. TB (a person) has a less then stellar reputation. WB (another real person) is the new guy (related to TB) But he has been doing a better job.

Again, the clone world has had a lot of drama over the years.

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I don't know if you are trying to be edgy, don't want to name them, or don't know who they are, but for the OP it is Todd and Wendy Bailey. They were responsible for Special Weapons and a couple companies under different names that made less than stellar products.

Acutally the TB is Tod Bailey but the WB is Wade Bailey, Todds brother from what i hear.

Todd owned Special Weapons and that company eventually changed names to Cohaire Arms. Both had bad reps for lack loose QC and weapons that did not function right out of the box. Everyone produces a lemon every now and again but Todd's companies had a abnormally high number of these weapons. Some had to have expensive repairs done to run correctly and I have heard of people getting rid of there weapon because they could never get it to run correctly. A short while ago a new company popped up, Omega. Some people are staying away because the owner, Wade Bailey, is a relative to Todd. I don't own a clone from either company, just wanted to give the OP some back story on why some people might reply the way they do.

Posted: 4/15/2017 12:40:34 PM EDT

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Everyone produces a lemon every now and again but Todd's companies had a abnormally high number of these weapons.

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For him, it was a lifestyle choice. The sub standard parts and weapons came with a heaping dose of internet douchebaggery, as well. To keep everyone off guard, he changed company names every year or two. Be happy you didn't live through it.

The Omega stuff seems to be good though, maybe it's because Atlantic Firearms likes their customers and is running interference for us

I bought an Omega, and Atlantic did right by me... My gun is great, and so was the service from Atlantic. At this point, it's seems one need not worry about the Bailey influence.

Posted: 4/15/2017 12:41:15 PM EDT

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I don't know if you are trying to be edgy, don't want to name them, or don't know who they are, but for the OP it is Todd and Wendy Bailey. They were responsible for Special Weapons and a couple companies under different names that made less than stellar products.

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The mp5 clone world has had some interesting people behind it. TB (a person) has a less then stellar reputation. WB (another real person) is the new guy (related to TB) But he has been doing a better job.

Again, the clone world has had a lot of drama over the years.

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I don't know if you are trying to be edgy, don't want to name them, or don't know who they are, but for the OP it is Todd and Wendy Bailey. They were responsible for Special Weapons and a couple companies under different names that made less than stellar products.

Edgy. LOL.

This is a tech area. Not gd. So I was trying to leave the drama from the past out.

I figured if the op wanted to know bad enough he'd figure it out. I assumed he didn't know if the initials were some sort of tech abbreviation or something else. I wanted him to know that they were people.

Also, it's Wade, Not Wendy.

Sorry for pooping in you thread op.

I have bobcat mp5 and a coharie mp5k. I was fortunate that they both have run well. I did change the extractor spring on both though.

I think either of your choices here will be fine.

Good luck.

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Posted: 4/15/2017 12:55:21 PM EDT

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Edgy. LOL.

This is a tech area. Not gd. So I was trying to leave the drama from the past out.

I figured if the op wanted to know bad enough he'd figure it out. I assumed he didn't know if the initials were some sort of tech abbreviation or something else. I wanted him to know that they were people.

Also, it's Wade, Not Wendy.

Sorry for pooping in you thread op.

I have bobcat mp5 and a coharie mp5k. I was fortunate that they both have run well. I did change the extractor spring on both though.

I think either of your choices here will be fine.

Good luck.

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Active topics button always gets me, didn't realize this was tech. I was pretty active on the HK forums in the mid 2000s and I had never heard of Wade. Wendy was Todds wife and president of Coharie.

I also had a bobcat and it ran perfect. Ball or HP it didn't matter, it ate whatever I put in the magazine.

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Posted: 4/15/2017 1:03:53 PM EDT

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I heard the nonsense on Special Weapons. and i beleive they were local to me. Mesa arizona.

Cohairie i didnt hear "as bad" but i know there is some nonsense there too.

Posted: 4/15/2017 1:42:05 PM EDT

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I was in the same boat as the OP and was saving up for a zenith

Ended up getting a coharie really cheap on gunbroker as it was in the C&R section

Posted: 4/15/2017 3:19:47 PM EDT

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I was in the same boat as the OP and was saving up for a zenith

Ended up getting a coharie really cheap on gunbroker as it was in the C&R section

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how did it work out for you?

Posted: 4/15/2017 3:38:06 PM EDT

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Active topics button always gets me, didn't realize this was tech. I was pretty active on the HK forums in the mid 2000s and I had never heard of Wade. Wendy was Todds wife and president of Coharie.

I also had a bobcat and it ran perfect. Ball or HP it didn't matter, it ate whatever I put in the magazine.

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Wade is Todd's brother, but apparently Todd has nothing to do with Omega. The Omegas seem to be coming out pretty good other than a few SDs that had barrels off axis, my understanding is that Atlantic and Omega took care of those customers.

Posted: 4/15/2017 4:21:51 PM EDT

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im leaning very heavily toward the Zenith, they are offering free shipping too. plus its a little cheaper than the omega, but They are out of stock on the Zenith z5-p

i dont remeber if it was in stock yesterday( i think it was) but now they are out. so i gotta wait. but i think it might be the zenith.

Posted: 4/15/2017 4:30:48 PM EDT

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i didnt buy i was just trying to answer the question why it was more money.

Posted: 4/15/2017 5:59:54 PM EDT

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Same price point, arguably similar quality. It comes down to push pin vs. shelf more than anything. The Omega will be sear ready, which is nice. The MKE has dual push pins, which is nice.

Customer service might be a little easier with Omega since it wouldn't need to be shipped to Turkey? Assuming that's where MKE fixes things that are wrong.

Posted: 4/15/2017 6:21:19 PM EDT

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My biggest thing would be 922R. If I could go back all three 9mm roller locks I bought last summer might have been Omegas.

Posted: 4/15/2017 8:26:30 PM EDT

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I was in the same boat as the OP and was saving up for a zenith

Ended up getting a coharie really cheap on gunbroker as it was in the C&R section

how did it work out for you?

So far the guns been 100%

I used to have a bobcat that was a jam a holic

Posted: 4/15/2017 8:54:28 PM EDT

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You mentioned Ghillie, he does excellent work and will add the 922R compliance parts if you send them to him before he starts the build.

Posted: 4/15/2017 9:13:21 PM EDT

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Parabellum Combat Systems (PCS) Ghillebear is more of a "boutique" roller lock manufacturer along with Dakota Tactical. Their price points are going to be higher than Zenith or Omega. They (PCS & Dakota) both make beautiful roller lock guns.

Posted: 4/15/2017 10:44:04 PM EDT

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I have a MKE Z-5RS and a Vector V-94 SBR. Out of both of them the MKE has a much nicer finish and functions flawlessly with MKE, POF, and HK factory magazine. I bought my MKE and V-94 through Atlantic, and they were awesome!! The Omegas are built to their standards, and they stand behind their product. I think you are well served by either one, and even though the MKE might be a bit cheaper, when you add the 922R parts it would come out to be the same. I will have to say that the MKE comes complete with sling, three magazines, and three magazines.

Posted: 4/16/2017 2:08:58 AM EDT

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I have two Cohaires that required work. Both came with the metal injection molded MIM bolt heads that were out of spec. I was charged $100 per bolt head to upgrade to the later one that worked. Lol. Yup I paid to replace an out of spec part. That still stings. I wound up sending the K gun to Ghillie (After attempting to get the manufacturer to fix it). Jeff fixed it up to the tune of $500 plus. I think the mp5 type required minor parts to get it working which thankfully I was able to do on my own.

So I say go with MKE.

Posted: 4/16/2017 2:25:39 AM EDT

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If I was going in that price range (and I plan to), I'm going straight to TPM.

Posted: 4/16/2017 8:40:04 AM EDT

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Parabellum Combat Systems (PCS) Ghillebear is more of a "boutique" roller lock manufacturer along with Dakota Tactical. Their price points are going to be higher than Zenith or Omega. They (PCS & Dakota) both make beautiful roller lock guns.

If I was going in that price range (and I plan to), I'm going straight to TPM.

Agreed! They do awesome work. I have a HK 93 I'm on the verge of sending for 53 conversion to those guys. You can't lose with TPM, IGF, or TSC Machine. Though TSC only works on HK guns. I have a 94 and an SP5K at TSC right now undergoing MP5 conversions. I personally own 2 Dakota Tactical MP5s as well as the above mentioned HKs, and have to say Joe at Dakota Tactical is no slouch on quality, though at that price point, you're already close to the neighborhood of HK money.

Posted: 4/16/2017 5:57:51 PM EDT

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I'm very happy with my Omega and Atlantic Firearms!

Posted: 4/16/2017 8:22:48 PM EDT

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Anything you would like to add? Such as why. And why u chose omega over POF or mke

Posted: 4/17/2017 12:36:39 AM EDT

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My Zenith has run 100% perfect. Suppressed, unsuppressed, 115-158gr 9mm. That being said check out Brethren Armament or other American manufacturers. When I purchased I was rushed by the 41p cutoff, Brethren couldn't produce a pistol fast enough so I had to go foreign. When you factor in the compliance parts the price is almost identical, might as well go domestic & support small business.

I'll never buy a Paki product if i have a say.

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Posted: 4/17/2017 3:26:29 AM EDT

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Id love to buy a Brethren but brother its out of my budget and also they have like a 3-4 month wait time for the build etc. and thats not even in SBR config. They sell it in Pistol config from what their site says.

ETA - btw your zenith looks awesome .

what can is that.

Posted: 4/17/2017 5:33:15 AM EDT

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Posted: 4/17/2017 8:04:37 AM EDT

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Folks we offer both the Omega and the Zenith 9 mm Roller locks and a can clear up a few things

Omega
Forget the TB drama he has nothing to do with the current Omega offerings. The parts are supplied by HK Parts.net and built by Omega they are backed up by Omega and Atlantic we also offers a money back guarantee on the guns. We have shipped well over 1000 units in the last 6 -8 months and lots happy customers . If there is an issue you can rest assured that both Atlantic & Omega will get you taken care of .The Omega pistols offer a 922 R ready gun meaning no extra expense or risk with making it a SBR . The Omega also are built with a full auto carrier for those who may want to use a NFA full auto sear pack .Omega offers a growing variety of models with built in optic rails, SD uppers , Barreled uppers and soon a reverse stretch K pistol. There are currently 40 -50 Omegas being used @ Battlefield Vegas full auto range and another 30 on order.

Zenith
We have worked closely with the Zenith Imports family since day 1 and can say they are a great group of guys and gals. The pistol is solid and comes with a very nice package of extra factory goodies all in a tidy case @ a reasonable price .There have been a few issues from time to time crop up with the MKE guns but the Zenith customer service has been A ++ and worked hand in hand with Atlantic to get our clients concerns remedied .If you are into Imports these are nicer than the POF Roller locks we have offered in the past even though those were a solid value. The only draw backs to the Zenith are you needing to add 922 r parts for the SBR and they have a welded sear block and semi auto carrier .So if you want to use a NFA sear pack it will take some work otherwise the Zenith package is a stellar value .

It is tough choice because both options are excellent and offer something a bit different than the other. You just need to decide what you will be using the pistol for and let that help guide you.

Here is a pic of the Omega with built in Optic Rail sporting the SB Tactical Brace

Posted: 4/17/2017 10:52:03 AM EDT

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any idea when the z5p will be in stock?

Posted: 4/17/2017 12:00:47 PM EDT

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Just ordered the OM9K. Made that choice because I will be SBRing it asap.

Posted: 4/17/2017 10:28:14 PM EDT

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I like that the Omega has 922r parts already installed in case I decide to sbr it. Fit and finish on mine is great and the overall quality of it is very high. Finish on it is much nicer than my PTR-91, which I also love dearly. On top of all that, if you do get a lemon, Atlantic Firearms will help you out!