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Posted: 12/24/2011 4:55:43 AM EDT
One for the AR, or one for the handgun?

I'm stuck between getting one for the AR's, or one for my 1911.

getting two is out of the question.

I think the fact that the .45 shoots subsonic would get the most value out of the can, but the AR can would definitely get more use.
Link Posted: 12/24/2011 5:02:22 AM EDT
45 acp
Link Posted: 12/24/2011 5:22:06 AM EDT
I vote AR...a suppressed pistol just isn't very practical IMO.
Link Posted: 12/24/2011 6:10:27 AM EDT
.30 cal can for the AR..
Link Posted: 12/24/2011 6:34:37 AM EDT
30 cal thread mount with adapter for 1/2x28 tpi so I can run it on everything from 30 cal bolt guns down to .22 pistols.
Link Posted: 12/24/2011 6:44:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
I vote AR...a suppressed pistol just isn't very practical IMO.


I think the same- the suppressed pistol is more of a novelty conversation piece- suppressed .45's are only really quiet wet also, so you have that additional obstacle to usefulness. The suppressed rifle can be used for sound flash and recoil reduction, and if you need total sound suppression, you can shoot .22lr or sub sonic .223 with great accuracy up to 100 yards or further.
Link Posted: 12/24/2011 6:51:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By nf9648:
30 cal thread mount with adapter for 1/2x28 tpi so I can run it on everything from 30 cal bolt guns down to .22 pistols.


^^^This.
As soon as I finally got my stamp and took my 5.56 can to the range I realized that I had made a mistake.
Link Posted: 12/24/2011 7:34:04 AM EDT
If you shoot the AR most, get a can for the AR. I shoot my .22 rifles and pistols most often so it would be a .22 suppressor for me.
Link Posted: 12/24/2011 7:59:39 AM EDT
GEMTECH MULTIMOUNT
Link Posted: 12/24/2011 8:23:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By nf9648:
30 cal thread mount with adapter for 1/2x28 tpi so I can run it on everything from 30 cal bolt guns down to .22 pistols.


I know nothing about suppressors, but suddenly looking into getting educated, tell me more.

Does this mean I can buy one suppressor for both my AR-10 and AR-15s??

What brand does this or is there more than one?
Link Posted: 12/24/2011 8:35:16 AM EDT
I went round and round on this question. After much thought, I went with a SS sparrow. I figured it would allow me to shoot 22 pistols, 22 rifles, 22 conversions in an ar and also would be usable on my bolt action 22mag.
Link Posted: 12/24/2011 8:42:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/24/2011 8:52:58 AM EDT by bluefalcon]
I currently have a Surefire FA556AR and a Gemtech Outback II. I'm looking to get an Osprey .45 ACP. I think if I could only have one, it would be a 7.62 rifle can. Part of the reason is that a pistol can would only be a range toy, while my rifle can is on my SBR, which is my primary home defense gun. If I had only a pistol can, a 5.56mm carbine would still be my primary home defense gun.

ETA: very close second is the .22lr can. It will definitely get a lot of use and for most people has way more "wow" factor.

Originally Posted By NH_Patriot:
Originally Posted By nf9648:
30 cal thread mount with adapter for 1/2x28 tpi so I can run it on everything from 30 cal bolt guns down to .22 pistols.


I know nothing about suppressors, but suddenly looking into getting educated, tell me more.

Does this mean I can buy one suppressor for both my AR-10 and AR-15s??

What brand does this or is there more than one?


Almost any .30 cal rifle can will work on a 5.56mm. You might want to look at which ones will work with high pressure rounds, though, like .300 Winmag or .22-250. Spend a lot of time reading here and the other forums before you buy.
Link Posted: 12/24/2011 10:00:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By NH_Patriot:
Originally Posted By nf9648:
30 cal thread mount with adapter for 1/2x28 tpi so I can run it on everything from 30 cal bolt guns down to .22 pistols.


I know nothing about suppressors, but suddenly looking into getting educated, tell me more.

Does this mean I can buy one suppressor for both my AR-10 and AR-15s??

What brand does this or is there more than one?


I went the QD mount method, while my father went thread mount (shoots mostly bolt guns.) When I visited recently over the course of a week I fired his Gemtech HVT on a .308, .260, .243, .223, and a .22lr rifle and pistol. He also had a thread mount gemtech .223 can, and I couldnt tell the difference in sound between the two on bolt action .223 guns. The .22's with subsonics sounded more like really weak pellet guns.
Link Posted: 12/24/2011 11:08:55 AM EDT
I definetly use my gemtech G5 more as of right now, but thats because I am still waiting on my stamp for a Octane 9 hd.

If you use the AR the most then I say go with a QD mount can for it.
Link Posted: 12/24/2011 11:57:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/24/2011 11:58:10 AM EDT by PA452]
Originally Posted By autumnsong:
If you shoot the AR most, get a can for the AR. I shoot my .22 rifles and pistols most often so it would be a .22 suppressor for me.


My take also.

I shoot .22LR more than anything. If I could only have one, I would choose a Silencerco Sparrow.

Currently I have two suppressors, and they're both Sparrows.
Link Posted: 12/25/2011 5:53:30 AM EDT
The same logic here for using a 30cal rifle can. I will use mine on anything up to a 762x54R should I be so inclined to put a QD on it. The benefit of running it on 68, 65 Grendel, 762x39, 300blk, 556, and even down to something like a Tokarev upper or handgun will show it's amazing utility.

My F4 is in ATL now but I haven't seen the check clear yet, so I imagine the long haul through the winter won't be as brutal as it was waiting for my SBR.

If I had a Glock 30, a 1911, a Sig 229 in 357sig or 40, a Glock 19 and a Smith Airweight I'd really consider the 45 can since it would give me greatest utility.

But rifles are more fun and more practical.

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Link Posted: 12/25/2011 6:26:22 AM EDT
The new Surefire FA556-212 I just sent paperwork in on.

Sure, the 5.56 will never be "quiet", but I can now shoot it indoors without bleeding from the nose if need be.
Link Posted: 12/28/2011 4:02:20 AM EDT
yhm 7.62mm qd phantom my first -so if i could only ever get one for the rest of my life. .300 blackout /ar 10 308 /m4 5.56/ 6.8mm/ .22 lr and any thing else i want to get
Link Posted: 12/28/2011 6:03:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Sure, the 5.56 will never be "quiet", but I can now shoot it indoors without bleeding from the nose if need be.


I heard this crap all the time while my M4-2000 was pending. I was expecting my 10.3" AR15 to sound like an unsuppressed 16"

Hell no its not. Its quiet as hell. If you aren't shooting indoors or in a heavily wooded area the sonic crack is noticable, but its not loud. Add ear plugs and the rifle is hardly audible.

14.5" Suppressed and Unsuppressed Comparison Video

12.5 Suppressed and Unsuppressed Comparison Video


Of course its not as quiet as a .22LR suppressed, but what is? The 5.56s only downfall is a supersonic round and the inability to cycle subsonic ammo suppressed (300 Blackout anyone?)


Also, 147gr 9mm fired through a dry AAC Tirant9 is about 9dB quieter than .45ACP fired through a wet AAC Tirant45. Somehow a myth got started that suppressed .45s are quieter than 9mm. That myth needs to end.
Link Posted: 12/28/2011 7:43:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2011 7:45:49 AM EDT by MoNkEyTurbo]
Have only one can?

I had a nightmare like that recently, not something I want to relive.




But, seriously I would take a quality .45 caliber suppressor. You can run them on .45 and below, as well as certain subsonic 30 caliber's, depending on the suppressor.

And I may be biased, but having just taken my Osprey out yesterday, I don't know why anyone would ever want to shoot without a suppressor EVER.

45 Osprey
YHM 9MM XL
Link Posted: 12/28/2011 8:18:49 AM EDT
A 7.62 can that......

- has minimal POI shift
- doesn't weigh 3 lbs or measure 24"
- doesn't require an overly-heavy mount
Link Posted: 12/28/2011 8:40:22 AM EDT
A .45 ACP can that can be taken apart for cleaning would handle almost any pistol caliber , with the proper thread-adapters . .22 rimfire is the dirtiest , otherwise the take-apart feature would not be necessary , unless you shoot cast-lead bullets ...

A .50 can would handle any rifle caliber , but it would be overly heavy and bulky . .338 would be an alternative , if you shoot that caliber ... A .300 Win Mag suppressor would be a practical choice . The extra volume over a standard 7.62 can would make it more efficient ...
Link Posted: 12/28/2011 9:26:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2011 9:28:51 AM EDT by bluefalcon]
Originally Posted By GuyinFL:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Sure, the 5.56 will never be "quiet", but I can now shoot it indoors without bleeding from the nose if need be.


I heard this crap all the time while my M4-2000 was pending. I was expecting my 10.3" AR15 to sound like an unsuppressed 16"

Hell no its not. Its quiet as hell. If you aren't shooting indoors or in a heavily wooded area the sonic crack is noticable, but its not loud. Add ear plugs and the rifle is hardly audible.

14.5" Suppressed and Unsuppressed Comparison Video

12.5 Suppressed and Unsuppressed Comparison Video


Of course its not as quiet as a .22LR suppressed, but what is? The 5.56s only downfall is a supersonic round and the inability to cycle subsonic ammo suppressed (300 Blackout anyone?)


Also, 147gr 9mm fired through a dry AAC Tirant9 is about 9dB quieter than .45ACP fired through a wet AAC Tirant45. Somehow a myth got started that suppressed .45s are quieter than 9mm. That myth needs to end.


Roger. I usually tell people that a suppressed AR-15 typically sounds something close to an unsuppressed .22lr rifle. I regularly shoot my 11.5" with the can and without ears. Sure, it's not OSHA safe, but neither is the music I listen to.























Link Posted: 12/28/2011 1:32:50 PM EDT
NT-4
Link Posted: 12/28/2011 1:48:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By dangerdan:
NT-4


My first and only can so far...

Link Posted: 12/28/2011 1:53:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FrankSL:
A 7.62 can that......

- has minimal POI shift
- doesn't weigh 3 lbs or measure 24"
- doesn't require an overly-heavy mount


How about 15-19oz
7-8" OAL added
QD mounts in Brakes, Flash Hiders, or a mix of both?

And for around 1100 including tax stamps.

-32db typical performance.

Mounts ranging from $65 to $150.

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Link Posted: 12/28/2011 3:16:13 PM EDT
.308 Can for the AR.
Link Posted: 12/28/2011 6:54:58 PM EDT
I would just want the lightest multicaliber caliber can that has a standard thread pattern, and could handle full power loads. It would work on anything....
Link Posted: 12/29/2011 1:44:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2011 1:48:54 AM EDT by 12_gauge]
Originally Posted By GuyinFL:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Sure, the 5.56 will never be "quiet", but I can now shoot it indoors without bleeding from the nose if need be.


I heard this crap all the time while my M4-2000 was pending. I was expecting my 10.3" AR15 to sound like an unsuppressed 16"

Hell no its not. Its quiet as hell. If you aren't shooting indoors or in a heavily wooded area the sonic crack is noticable, but its not loud. Add ear plugs and the rifle is hardly audible.

14.5" Suppressed and Unsuppressed Comparison Video

12.5 Suppressed and Unsuppressed Comparison Video


Of course its not as quiet as a .22LR suppressed, but what is? The 5.56s only downfall is a supersonic round and the inability to cycle subsonic ammo suppressed (300 Blackout anyone?)


Also, 147gr 9mm fired through a dry AAC Tirant9 is about 9dB quieter than .45ACP fired through a wet AAC Tirant45. Somehow a myth got started that suppressed .45s are quieter than 9mm. That myth needs to end.



A .22LR is not "quiet as hell". Nothing about what I have said is incorrect. Also, your videos have very weird sound quality and are misleading in my opinion. Here is a more accurate comparison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPwGFpZV_BU&feature=related
Link Posted: 12/29/2011 8:57:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2011 8:57:27 AM EDT by GuyinFL]
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By GuyinFL:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Sure, the 5.56 will never be "quiet", but I can now shoot it indoors without bleeding from the nose if need be.


I heard this crap all the time while my M4-2000 was pending. I was expecting my 10.3" AR15 to sound like an unsuppressed 16"

Hell no its not. Its quiet as hell. If you aren't shooting indoors or in a heavily wooded area the sonic crack is noticable, but its not loud. Add ear plugs and the rifle is hardly audible.

14.5" Suppressed and Unsuppressed Comparison Video

12.5 Suppressed and Unsuppressed Comparison Video


Of course its not as quiet as a .22LR suppressed, but what is? The 5.56s only downfall is a supersonic round and the inability to cycle subsonic ammo suppressed (300 Blackout anyone?)


Also, 147gr 9mm fired through a dry AAC Tirant9 is about 9dB quieter than .45ACP fired through a wet AAC Tirant45. Somehow a myth got started that suppressed .45s are quieter than 9mm. That myth needs to end.



A .22LR is not "quiet as hell". Nothing about what I have said is incorrect. Also, your videos have very weird sound quality and are misleading in my opinion. Here is a more accurate comparison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPwGFpZV_BU&feature=related


Hey man, you're absolutely right. 5.56mm suppressors are not quiet.

Thanks for the video, I never would have realized that.
Link Posted: 12/29/2011 11:19:33 PM EDT
Back in 2009 I got my first suppressor, a Gemtech Multi Mount. I typically shoot handguns more, so it made sense to me. This year I got my Gemtech Halo for my AR's. While both are great, if I had to choose just one, id keep my Halo can.

Of course, back in October I bought a Ruger Scout rifle, so now I gotta get a 308 can.
Link Posted: 12/30/2011 5:45:39 PM EDT
Either a .30 cal QD can (mounts for all rifles .30cal and under) or a user servicable .45 can (everything from .45 to subsonic rifle rounds to .22LR).
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 3:28:01 AM EDT
KAC NT4...
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 4:01:58 AM EDT
Looking hard at the Liberty Mystic as my next purchase.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 7:52:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2011 7:54:21 AM EDT by Death2Varmints]
762SD or 762SDN-6....multical and FA rated.

-D2V
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 7:54:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2011 7:56:19 AM EDT by nf9648]
Originally Posted By Death2Varmints:
762SD or 762SDN-6....multical and FA rated.

-D2V


Attachment Attached File


Sorry, couldnt resist.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 8:02:16 AM EDT
Can you swap suppressors between different rifles? Or dose each suppressor have to be dedicated to a specif rifle?
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 8:35:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By niteghost:
Can you swap suppressors between different rifles? Or dose each suppressor have to be dedicated to a specif rifle?


swap all you want. unless it's integral...
Link Posted: 1/1/2012 4:54:47 PM EDT
Just one? Gemtech Quicksand.
Link Posted: 1/2/2012 10:05:23 AM EDT
.30 caliber can for rifles.
Link Posted: 1/2/2012 10:44:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JohnStoner:
Just one? Gemtech Quicksand.

I went Sandstorm, lighter, and thread on is what I prefer.
To the OP, you want to stay as light as possable. Spend more to stay light. You will regret a heavy can. .30 cal is the way to go.....

Link Posted: 1/2/2012 2:34:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Death2Varmints:
762SD or 762SDN-6....multical and FA rated.

-D2V


I agree with this. I had a SWR Omega 30 and M4-2000 (old 18T style) and replaced them with the 762SDN6 and love it. The 51T mount locks up perfect (though to be honest I never had issues with the 18T mount). and its light and short.

Id say if I could only have one I'd go with the 762SDN6, BUT I'd be really tempted to go with a good 9mm suppressor. I have a trident9 and love it. If you have access to a spot to shoot alone where you can shoot the pistol without hearing protection (i have a private farm i shoot at) then the pistol cans are amazing.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:37:39 AM EDT
either a 30 cal rifle can and maybe get a Tokerev pistol so you had a handgun you could run it on... or get a 45 cal SMG can and you could prolly run it on 30 cal rifle??? Check coastal gun co, or suppressor co, out of GA I think. They make like 200 dollar centerfire cans.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 5:07:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/3/2012 5:07:59 AM EDT by 12_gauge]
Originally Posted By rightwingnut:
either a 30 cal rifle can and maybe get a Tokerev pistol so you had a handgun you could run it on... or get a 45 cal SMG can and you could prolly run it on 30 cal rifle??? Check coastal gun co, or suppressor co, out of GA I think. They make like 200 dollar centerfire cans.


I wouldn't want my "one and only" to cost the same or less than the tax stamp itself, lol
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 5:11:20 AM EDT
Not sure for pistol cal.

However, for rifle either an AAC SDN6 or a SF 762-Mini.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 5:50:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By rightwingnut:
either a 30 cal rifle can and maybe get a Tokerev pistol so you had a handgun you could run it on... or get a 45 cal SMG can and you could prolly run it on 30 cal rifle??? Check coastal gun co, or suppressor co, out of GA I think. They make like 200 dollar centerfire cans.


I've been studying for my first can and find the 5.56 vs 30 cal threads right up my alley.

I've only heard one "stay away" manufacturer and it was Coastal, everyone else seems to like the can they have.
Not quite "my can is best", but more of "my can is more than satisfactory".

Doesn't make the choice any easier, still helpful to feel like there is not much chance for a bad decision as long as I stick with the major players.
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 11:56:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By nf9648:
Originally Posted By dangerdan:
NT-4


My first and only can so far...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/nf9648/Guns/DSC04832.jpg


And another vote for NT-4.

~Augee
Link Posted: 1/3/2012 2:31:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DanR:
Originally Posted By rightwingnut:
either a 30 cal rifle can and maybe get a Tokerev pistol so you had a handgun you could run it on... or get a 45 cal SMG can and you could prolly run it on 30 cal rifle??? Check coastal gun co, or suppressor co, out of GA I think. They make like 200 dollar centerfire cans.


I've been studying for my first can and find the 5.56 vs 30 cal threads right up my alley.

I've only heard one "stay away" manufacturer and it was Coastal, everyone else seems to like the can they have.
Not quite "my can is best", but more of "my can is more than satisfactory".

Doesn't make the choice any easier, still helpful to feel like there is not much chance for a bad decision as long as I stick with the major players.


Ive heard really good things about surefires new mounts. When they first started I heard their cans in person at the 2006 suppressor shoot and wasn't impressed (way way overpriced for a really basic and loud can). Apparently they have improved since then (though not lowered their prices. lol) Id say if your most interested in putting it on long range rifles go with the SF, and if your putting it on SBRs and want something really durable go with the 762-SDN-6 (thats what I did). BTW, Ti is not terribly durable in this application (great for a light weight bolt gun, bad for an assault rifle, so not the best choice for an all-in-one can).
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 8:46:30 AM EDT
Surefire's main selling point is minimal and repeatable POI shift. My FA556AR does about 0.5 MOA shift on my RRA carbine. That's actually pretty hard to even detect, considering typical groups with that rifle, using factory match and hand loads, are about 1.5" or so at 100m. With more precisely machined threads for the mount to attach to, the shift might be even smaller. There is no other can that I know of that can do that. Second to the POI shift, Surefire's cans have a reputation for durability. They are louder than some other cans but the crack of the bullet itself is still louder than anything coming from the muzzle.
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