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Link Posted: 4/19/2016 4:57:06 PM EDT
I've had mine for a week now. Three range trips, about 500 rounds of varying ammo (all trouble free), and lots of playing with it around the house. Enough to have some "initial impressions"... I will also add I bought an original Tavor just after they came out and wanted to love it but sold it after several months. The X95 addresses enough of my complaints that I think it will stay around long term. However, it is not replacing my BCM 11.5" as my "go to" at this point. That rifle serves as somewhat of a control for comparisons sake for me:

X95:



16" black, with Holosun HS403A and TLR1 HL. 8 pounds 12 ounces with empty pmag.

BCM:



BCM 11.5" enhanced lightweight / fluted, 10" KMR rail, Geissele G2S trigger, Aimpoint T1, Magpul Pro BUIS, TLR1 HL. 6 pounds 9 ounces with empty pmag.

Length: The X95 is about 1/4" shorter than my BCM 11.5" (with the stock all the way collapsed). That's really the big draw for me. Shorter than my SBR without the paperwork and able to travel with it to other states without the King's written permission... not to mention the advantage of more velocity / better terminal ballistics with the 16.5" barrel.


(BCM left, X95 right)

Weight: Not great. Similarly equipped the X95 comes in over two pounds heavier than my BCM. It is distributed differently so it doesn't feel all of two pounds heavier, but it is noticeable.

Recoil: Not that either gun has real recoil, but the X95 definitely bounces around more. I felt the same thing with my original Tavor which is no surprise I guess since the X95 is basically the same rifle with a different shell. It is still very manageable but it takes a little more effort to drive the gun with rapid fire.


(at 5 yards)

Accuracy: Maybe not quite as bad as my original Tavor but I am still not impressed. Combat effective for sure I guess but it is not an AR15 in the accuracy department.


(some of the ammo shot through the X95)


(X95 with PST for accuracy testing)


(X95 groups - 100 yards)


(BCM groups - 100 yards, IMI ammo only)

Now, let's talk about the above groups... sample size of only one for each type of ammo so take it for what it's worth. I was using Vortex Viper PST 4-16 for testing, with a Range Systems "sight-bloc" front rest and a sand bag rear. It was fairly steady but not rock solid; crosshair wobble was consistently the width of the interior white dot, which is 0.5". To be fair / generous, deduct that 0.5" hold error for the true potential of the gun / ammo. I felt slightly more steady with the BCM just because it sat in the rest nicer and is easier to hold / manipulate (to me). My conclusion is the X95 is a 2 - 4 MOA rifle depending on ammo, and the AR15 platform will handily beat it even with a lightweight fluted barrel. Yes the BCM also has a Geissele G2S trigger but I really do not think it gave it much of an advantage. The X95 trigger is quite nice and a DRAMATIC improvement over my old Tavor.

After accuracy testing I put the Holosun back on the X95 and fired 30 rounds of Rem UMC 55gr at an 18" steel plate at 200 yards. It was boringly easy to hit with semi-rapid fire (28 / 30): https://youtu.be/wSwyKThG4H0

Cleanup after the range (about 200 rounds each) was not much different between the two despite the piston / DI difference. Maybe a little less carbon on the actual bolt carrier portion of the X95 but overall crud inside the weapons was not night and day different (and the interior of the AR is easier to access). I call it a draw on ease of maintenance.

Other misc note: I ran an Aimpoint PRO on it the first couple range trips. I do not recommend it unless you get it with a different mount. The large knurled knob on the PRO mount distracts from operation of the X95 charging handle. It is doable but again, I would not recommend it.

Overall conclusion so far: The X95 is a fun, super-compact, reliable alternative to an AR15... but you will sacrifice some accuracy, pack around a little more weight, and experience a little less smooth recoil impulse.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 7:58:53 PM EDT
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I've had mine for a week now. Three range trips, about 500 rounds of varying ammo (all trouble free), and lots of playing with it around the house. Enough to have some "initial impressions"... I will also add I bought an original Tavor just after they came out and wanted to love it but sold it after several months. The X95 addresses enough of my complaints that I think it will stay around long term. However, it is not replacing my BCM 11.5" as my "go to" at this point. That rifle serves as somewhat of a control for comparisons sake for me:

X95:

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6138_zpsewsnwivq.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6138_zpsewsnwivq.jpg</a>

16" black, with Holosun HS403A and TLR1 HL. 8 pounds 12 ounces with empty pmag.

BCM:

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6141_zpsjhuleaqn.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6141_zpsjhuleaqn.jpg</a>

BCM 11.5" enhanced lightweight / fluted, 10" KMR rail, Geissele G2S trigger, Aimpoint T1, Magpul Pro BUIS, TLR1 HL. 6 pounds 9 ounces with empty pmag.

Length: The X95 is about 1/4" shorter than my BCM 11.5" (with the stock all the way collapsed). That's really the big draw for me. Shorter than my SBR without the paperwork and able to travel with it to other states without the King's written permission... not to mention the advantage of more velocity / better terminal ballistics with the 16.5" barrel.

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6129_zpsrtdptcha.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6129_zpsrtdptcha.jpg</a>
(BCM left, X95 right)

Weight: Not great. Similarly equipped the X95 comes in over two pounds heavier than my BCM. It is distributed differently so it doesn't feel all of two pounds heavier, but it is noticeable.

Recoil: Not that either gun has real recoil, but the X95 definitely bounces around more. I felt the same thing with my original Tavor which is no surprise I guess since the X95 is basically the same rifle with a different shell. It is still very manageable but it takes a little more effort to drive the gun with rapid fire.

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6136_zpsyryidbhb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6136_zpsyryidbhb.jpg</a>
(at 5 yards)

Accuracy: Maybe not quite as bad as my original Tavor but I am still not impressed. Combat effective for sure I guess but it is not an AR15 in the accuracy department.

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6116_zpslqilozss.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6116_zpslqilozss.jpg</a>
(some of the ammo shot through the X95)

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6112_zpsspptjjlw.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6112_zpsspptjjlw.jpg</a>
(X95 with PST for accuracy testing)

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6169_zpsm46jyyxc.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6169_zpsm46jyyxc.jpg</a>
(X95 groups - 100 yards)

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6170_zpsymxrqjbp.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6170_zpsymxrqjbp.jpg</a>
(BCM groups - 100 yards, IMI ammo only)

Now, let's talk about the above groups... sample size of only one for each type of ammo so take it for what it's worth. I was using Vortex Viper PST 4-16 for testing, with a Range Systems "sight-bloc" front rest and a sand bag rear. It was fairly steady but not rock solid; crosshair wobble was consistently the width of the interior white dot, which is 0.5". To be fair / generous, deduct that 0.5" hold error for the true potential of the gun / ammo. I felt slightly more steady with the BCM just because it sat in the rest nicer and is easier to hold / manipulate (to me). My conclusion is the X95 is a 2 - 4 MOA rifle depending on ammo, and the AR15 platform will handily beat it even with a lightweight fluted barrel. Yes the BCM also has a Geissele G2S trigger but I really do not think it gave it much of an advantage. The X95 trigger is quite nice and a DRAMATIC improvement over my old Tavor.

After accuracy testing I put the Holosun back on the X95 and fired 30 rounds of Rem UMC 55gr at an 18" steel plate at 200 yards. It was boringly easy to hit with semi-rapid fire (28 / 30): https://youtu.be/wSwyKThG4H0

Cleanup after the range (about 200 rounds each) was not much different between the two despite the piston / DI difference. Maybe a little less carbon on the actual bolt carrier portion of the X95 but overall crud inside the weapons was not night and day different (and the interior of the AR is easier to access). I call it a draw on ease of maintenance.

Other misc note: I ran an Aimpoint PRO on it the first couple range trips. I do not recommend it unless you get it with a different mount. The large knurled knob on the PRO mount distracts from operation of the X95 charging handle. It is doable but again, I would not recommend it.

Overall conclusion so far: The X95 is a fun, super-compact, reliable alternative to an AR15... but you will sacrifice some accuracy, pack around a little more weight, and experience a little less smooth recoil impulse.
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Wow, that's disappointing on the accuracy front. I realize that these are combat rifles, but coming from AR's and bolt guns that have free floated barrels to help give us the best possible accuracy, my concern has been the fact that these bullpup's barrels are anything but. I think a bullpup is the perfect predator hunting rifle to use with a suppressor while saving that stamp money for cans, but for the kind of money these rifles command I'd like less than 2 MOA.  Are my expectations too high for accuracy and is what you experienced common? You certainly used a wide variety of ammo and none of them really seemed to hit the sweet spot.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 8:40:35 PM EDT
Military Arms Channel in their video shot 5 shot groups with 2 shooters, both were 2" center to center at 100. I don't have mine in hand yet (distributor did not get FDE first shipment) but when I do I plan on doing some 100 yard strings with a vortex razor. I will report my personal findings as well.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 8:56:16 PM EDT
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Military Arms Channel in their video shot 5 shot groups with 2 shooters, both were 2" center to center at 100. I don't have mine in hand yet (distributor did not get FDE first shipment) but when I do I plan on doing some 100 yard strings with a vortex razor. I will report my personal findings as well.
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Thanks, I'll have to rewatch MAC's vids to see what ammo he was using. The OP can abviously shoot as evidenced by his AR targets and I know that if I'd dropped $1700ish on the gun, those groups would not please me. Right now I'm just looking for the most accurate, suppressor friendly bullpup and the X95 was in the mix.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 8:58:17 PM EDT
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Wow, that's disappointing on the accuracy front. I realize that these are combat rifles, but coming from AR's and bolt guns that have free floated barrels to help give us the best possible accuracy, my concern has been the fact that these bullpup's barrels are anything but. I think a bullpup is the perfect predator hunting rifle to use with a suppressor while saving that stamp money for cans, but for the kind of money these rifles command I'd like less than 2 MOA.  Are my expectations too high for accuracy and is what you experienced common? You certainly used a wide variety of ammo and none of them really seemed to hit the sweet spot.
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Wow, that's disappointing on the accuracy front. I realize that these are combat rifles, but coming from AR's and bolt guns that have free floated barrels to help give us the best possible accuracy, my concern has been the fact that these bullpup's barrels are anything but. I think a bullpup is the perfect predator hunting rifle to use with a suppressor while saving that stamp money for cans, but for the kind of money these rifles command I'd like less than 2 MOA.  Are my expectations too high for accuracy and is what you experienced common? You certainly used a wide variety of ammo and none of them really seemed to hit the sweet spot.


I wish it was better too. Again though, I think it is fair to assume about 0.5" less than those groups, due to the difficulty in benching the bullpup design very solid. I think 2 MOA or maybe a little less is probably realistic with good ammo and a rock solid rest. Anything less than that is probably going to require modifications in my opinion.

If you search around the various forums / youtube you'll find that is pretty much the case across the board. Some guys play the "flier" game and claim smaller groups than they actually shoot... up to you how much stock you want to put in that!

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Thanks, I'll have to rewatch MAC's vids to see what ammo he was using. The OP can abviously shoot as evidenced by his AR targets and I know that if I'd dropped $1700ish on the gun, those groups would not please me. Right now I'm just looking for the most accurate, suppressor friendly bullpup and the X95 was in the mix.


Thanks! That's exactly why I shot and posted both. I knew people would call it into question if I didn't!
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 9:09:15 PM EDT
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I've had mine for a week now. Three range trips, about 500 rounds of varying ammo (all trouble free), and lots of playing with it around the house. Enough to have some "initial impressions"... I will also add I bought an original Tavor just after they came out and wanted to love it but sold it after several months. The X95 addresses enough of my complaints that I think it will stay around long term. However, it is not replacing my BCM 11.5" as my "go to" at this point. That rifle serves as somewhat of a control for comparisons sake for me:

X95:

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6138_zpsewsnwivq.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6138_zpsewsnwivq.jpg</a>

16" black, with Holosun HS403A and TLR1 HL. 8 pounds 12 ounces with empty pmag.

BCM:

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6141_zpsjhuleaqn.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6141_zpsjhuleaqn.jpg</a>

BCM 11.5" enhanced lightweight / fluted, 10" KMR rail, Geissele G2S trigger, Aimpoint T1, Magpul Pro BUIS, TLR1 HL. 6 pounds 9 ounces with empty pmag.

Length: The X95 is about 1/4" shorter than my BCM 11.5" (with the stock all the way collapsed). That's really the big draw for me. Shorter than my SBR without the paperwork and able to travel with it to other states without the King's written permission... not to mention the advantage of more velocity / better terminal ballistics with the 16.5" barrel.

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6129_zpsrtdptcha.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6129_zpsrtdptcha.jpg</a>
(BCM left, X95 right)

Weight: Not great. Similarly equipped the X95 comes in over two pounds heavier than my BCM. It is distributed differently so it doesn't feel all of two pounds heavier, but it is noticeable.

Recoil: Not that either gun has real recoil, but the X95 definitely bounces around more. I felt the same thing with my original Tavor which is no surprise I guess since the X95 is basically the same rifle with a different shell. It is still very manageable but it takes a little more effort to drive the gun with rapid fire.

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6136_zpsyryidbhb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6136_zpsyryidbhb.jpg</a>
(at 5 yards)

Accuracy: Maybe not quite as bad as my original Tavor but I am still not impressed. Combat effective for sure I guess but it is not an AR15 in the accuracy department.

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6116_zpslqilozss.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6116_zpslqilozss.jpg</a>
(some of the ammo shot through the X95)

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6112_zpsspptjjlw.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6112_zpsspptjjlw.jpg</a>
(X95 with PST for accuracy testing)

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6169_zpsm46jyyxc.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6169_zpsm46jyyxc.jpg</a>
(X95 groups - 100 yards)

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6170_zpsymxrqjbp.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6170_zpsymxrqjbp.jpg</a>
(BCM groups - 100 yards, IMI ammo only)

Now, let's talk about the above groups... sample size of only one for each type of ammo so take it for what it's worth. I was using Vortex Viper PST 4-16 for testing, with a Range Systems "sight-bloc" front rest and a sand bag rear. It was fairly steady but not rock solid; crosshair wobble was consistently the width of the interior white dot, which is 0.5". To be fair / generous, deduct that 0.5" hold error for the true potential of the gun / ammo. I felt slightly more steady with the BCM just because it sat in the rest nicer and is easier to hold / manipulate (to me). My conclusion is the X95 is a 2 - 4 MOA rifle depending on ammo, and the AR15 platform will handily beat it even with a lightweight fluted barrel. Yes the BCM also has a Geissele G2S trigger but I really do not think it gave it much of an advantage. The X95 trigger is quite nice and a DRAMATIC improvement over my old Tavor.

After accuracy testing I put the Holosun back on the X95 and fired 30 rounds of Rem UMC 55gr at an 18" steel plate at 200 yards. It was boringly easy to hit with semi-rapid fire (28 / 30): https://youtu.be/wSwyKThG4H0

Cleanup after the range (about 200 rounds each) was not much different between the two despite the piston / DI difference. Maybe a little less carbon on the actual bolt carrier portion of the X95 but overall crud inside the weapons was not night and day different (and the interior of the AR is easier to access). I call it a draw on ease of maintenance.

Other misc note: I ran an Aimpoint PRO on it the first couple range trips. I do not recommend it unless you get it with a different mount. The large knurled knob on the PRO mount distracts from operation of the X95 charging handle. It is doable but again, I would not recommend it.

Overall conclusion so far: The X95 is a fun, super-compact, reliable alternative to an AR15... but you will sacrifice some accuracy, pack around a little more weight, and experience a little less smooth recoil impulse.
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my first Tavor was a 4 moa gun... I picked up an x95 in hopes it would be better. Haven't got to the range yet.
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 9:35:56 PM EDT
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I've had mine for a week now. Three range trips, about 500 rounds of varying ammo (all trouble free), and lots of playing with it around the house. Enough to have some "initial impressions"... I will also add I bought an original Tavor just after they came out and wanted to love it but sold it after several months. The X95 addresses enough of my complaints that I think it will stay around long term. However, it is not replacing my BCM 11.5" as my "go to" at this point. That rifle serves as somewhat of a control for comparisons sake for me:

X95:

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6138_zpsewsnwivq.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6138_zpsewsnwivq.jpg</a>

16" black, with Holosun HS403A and TLR1 HL. 8 pounds 12 ounces with empty pmag.

BCM:

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6141_zpsjhuleaqn.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6141_zpsjhuleaqn.jpg</a>

BCM 11.5" enhanced lightweight / fluted, 10" KMR rail, Geissele G2S trigger, Aimpoint T1, Magpul Pro BUIS, TLR1 HL. 6 pounds 9 ounces with empty pmag.

Length: The X95 is about 1/4" shorter than my BCM 11.5" (with the stock all the way collapsed). That's really the big draw for me. Shorter than my SBR without the paperwork and able to travel with it to other states without the King's written permission... not to mention the advantage of more velocity / better terminal ballistics with the 16.5" barrel.

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6129_zpsrtdptcha.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6129_zpsrtdptcha.jpg</a>
(BCM left, X95 right)

Weight: Not great. Similarly equipped the X95 comes in over two pounds heavier than my BCM. It is distributed differently so it doesn't feel all of two pounds heavier, but it is noticeable.

Recoil: Not that either gun has real recoil, but the X95 definitely bounces around more. I felt the same thing with my original Tavor which is no surprise I guess since the X95 is basically the same rifle with a different shell. It is still very manageable but it takes a little more effort to drive the gun with rapid fire.

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6136_zpsyryidbhb.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6136_zpsyryidbhb.jpg</a>
(at 5 yards)

Accuracy: Maybe not quite as bad as my original Tavor but I am still not impressed. Combat effective for sure I guess but it is not an AR15 in the accuracy department.

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6116_zpslqilozss.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6116_zpslqilozss.jpg</a>
(some of the ammo shot through the X95)

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6112_zpsspptjjlw.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6112_zpsspptjjlw.jpg</a>
(X95 with PST for accuracy testing)

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6169_zpsm46jyyxc.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6169_zpsm46jyyxc.jpg</a>
(X95 groups - 100 yards)

<a href="http://s33.photobucket.com/user/OR_05Taco/media/AB1_6170_zpsymxrqjbp.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6170_zpsymxrqjbp.jpg</a>
(BCM groups - 100 yards, IMI ammo only)

Now, let's talk about the above groups... sample size of only one for each type of ammo so take it for what it's worth. I was using Vortex Viper PST 4-16 for testing, with a Range Systems "sight-bloc" front rest and a sand bag rear. It was fairly steady but not rock solid; crosshair wobble was consistently the width of the interior white dot, which is 0.5". To be fair / generous, deduct that 0.5" hold error for the true potential of the gun / ammo. I felt slightly more steady with the BCM just because it sat in the rest nicer and is easier to hold / manipulate (to me). My conclusion is the X95 is a 2 - 4 MOA rifle depending on ammo, and the AR15 platform will handily beat it even with a lightweight fluted barrel. Yes the BCM also has a Geissele G2S trigger but I really do not think it gave it much of an advantage. The X95 trigger is quite nice and a DRAMATIC improvement over my old Tavor.

After accuracy testing I put the Holosun back on the X95 and fired 30 rounds of Rem UMC 55gr at an 18" steel plate at 200 yards. It was boringly easy to hit with semi-rapid fire (28 / 30): https://youtu.be/wSwyKThG4H0

Cleanup after the range (about 200 rounds each) was not much different between the two despite the piston / DI difference. Maybe a little less carbon on the actual bolt carrier portion of the X95 but overall crud inside the weapons was not night and day different (and the interior of the AR is easier to access). I call it a draw on ease of maintenance.

Other misc note: I ran an Aimpoint PRO on it the first couple range trips. I do not recommend it unless you get it with a different mount. The large knurled knob on the PRO mount distracts from operation of the X95 charging handle. It is doable but again, I would not recommend it.

Overall conclusion so far: The X95 is a fun, super-compact, reliable alternative to an AR15... but you will sacrifice some accuracy, pack around a little more weight, and experience a little less smooth recoil impulse.
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Damn...was hoping for better accuracy... think I'll stick with the RDB and my MK18 CQB or 12" AR
Link Posted: 4/19/2016 9:42:32 PM EDT

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I've had mine for a week now. Three range trips, about 500 rounds of varying ammo (all trouble free), and lots of playing with it around the house. Enough to have some "initial impressions"... I will also add I bought an original Tavor just after they came out and wanted to love it but sold it after several months. The X95 addresses enough of my complaints that I think it will stay around long term. However, it is not replacing my BCM 11.5" as my "go to" at this point. That rifle serves as somewhat of a control for comparisons sake for me:



X95:



http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6138_zpsewsnwivq.jpg



16" black, with Holosun HS403A and TLR1 HL. 8 pounds 12 ounces with empty pmag.



BCM:



http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6141_zpsjhuleaqn.jpg



BCM 11.5" enhanced lightweight / fluted, 10" KMR rail, Geissele G2S trigger, Aimpoint T1, Magpul Pro BUIS, TLR1 HL. 6 pounds 9 ounces with empty pmag.



Length: The X95 is about 1/4" shorter than my BCM 11.5" (with the stock all the way collapsed). That's really the big draw for me. Shorter than my SBR without the paperwork and able to travel with it to other states without the King's written permission... not to mention the advantage of more velocity / better terminal ballistics with the 16.5" barrel.



http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6129_zpsrtdptcha.jpg

(BCM left, X95 right)



Weight: Not great. Similarly equipped the X95 comes in over two pounds heavier than my BCM. It is distributed differently so it doesn't feel all of two pounds heavier, but it is noticeable.



Recoil: Not that either gun has real recoil, but the X95 definitely bounces around more. I felt the same thing with my original Tavor which is no surprise I guess since the X95 is basically the same rifle with a different shell. It is still very manageable but it takes a little more effort to drive the gun with rapid fire.



http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6136_zpsyryidbhb.jpg

(at 5 yards)



Accuracy: Maybe not quite as bad as my original Tavor but I am still not impressed. Combat effective for sure I guess but it is not an AR15 in the accuracy department.



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(some of the ammo shot through the X95)



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(X95 with PST for accuracy testing)



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(X95 groups - 100 yards)



http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/OR_05Taco/AB1_6170_zpsymxrqjbp.jpg

(BCM groups - 100 yards, IMI ammo only)



Now, let's talk about the above groups... sample size of only one for each type of ammo so take it for what it's worth. I was using Vortex Viper PST 4-16 for testing, with a Range Systems "sight-bloc" front rest and a sand bag rear. It was fairly steady but not rock solid; crosshair wobble was consistently the width of the interior white dot, which is 0.5". To be fair / generous, deduct that 0.5" hold error for the true potential of the gun / ammo. I felt slightly more steady with the BCM just because it sat in the rest nicer and is easier to hold / manipulate (to me). My conclusion is the X95 is a 2 - 4 MOA rifle depending on ammo, and the AR15 platform will handily beat it even with a lightweight fluted barrel. Yes the BCM also has a Geissele G2S trigger but I really do not think it gave it much of an advantage. The X95 trigger is quite nice and a DRAMATIC improvement over my old Tavor.



After accuracy testing I put the Holosun back on the X95 and fired 30 rounds of Rem UMC 55gr at an 18" steel plate at 200 yards. It was boringly easy to hit with semi-rapid fire (28 / 30): https://youtu.be/wSwyKThG4H0



Cleanup after the range (about 200 rounds each) was not much different between the two despite the piston / DI difference. Maybe a little less carbon on the actual bolt carrier portion of the X95 but overall crud inside the weapons was not night and day different (and the interior of the AR is easier to access). I call it a draw on ease of maintenance.



Other misc note: I ran an Aimpoint PRO on it the first couple range trips. I do not recommend it unless you get it with a different mount. The large knurled knob on the PRO mount distracts from operation of the X95 charging handle. It is doable but again, I would not recommend it.



Overall conclusion so far: The X95 is a fun, super-compact, reliable alternative to an AR15... but you will sacrifice some accuracy, pack around a little more weight, and experience a little less smooth recoil impulse.

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bullpups can be kind of difficult to properly support on a bench.  were you able to use that sandbag to support the butt of the X-95?



 
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Now, let's talk about the above groups... sample size of only one for each type of ammo so take it for what it's worth. I was using Vortex Viper PST 4-16 for testing, with a Range Systems "sight-bloc" front rest and a sand bag rear. It was fairly steady but not rock solid; crosshair wobble was consistently the width of the interior white dot, which is 0.5".
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bullpups can be kind of difficult to properly support on a bench.  were you able to use that sandbag to support the butt of the X-95?


Yes, the sandbag was used but on end to get the right height. This made it somewhat less stable than being flat on the table and accounted for much of the reticle movement within the inner .5" dot. Everything else was in the X95's favor though, 16X scope, nice weather with virtually no wind, trigger pulls / breaks all felt pretty clean, at least 5 minutes of cool down between each group.

Bullpups are indeed more difficult to shoot from the bench though...
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I've shot my Tavor off the bench and I put a sling swivel stud in the hole in the bottom of the factory front hand guard.  I use my Harris bipod and a rear bag.  I've used a 2.5-10 scope and the addition of the Super Sabra sure doesn't hurt.  My Tavor shot 69 grainSMK reloads better than 75 grain OTM reloads both were 2 MOA or less 5 round groups.  With 55 grain FMJ my Tavor runs 1.5" - 3" groups at 100 yards.   For the way I use my Tavor I have no probem with it's accuracy.  I even shot a few prarie dogs in Wyoming last year.  I hit way more PD's than I missed and this was with the factory trigger and the 2.5-10 scope.  I normally run an EO Tech 512 on my Tavor.
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no body is putting a vertical grip on this thing?
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When I get mine a bcm gunfighter mini grip is going on first thing
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These threads have become bitter-sweet for me. I never reject good information, because it helps me make an informed decision. And who can resist more gun porn? However, it helps me decide that I'm not buying any more bullpups until they start making them lighter and more accurate. Oh well. More money for ammo.
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some people have good luck with accuracy, personally my AUGs have been very accurate. My M1 Long rail don't feel much heavier than my 6940
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 2:38:57 PM EDT
I made it back to the range yesterday for some more accuracy testing. My goals were to get a more solid rest, and shoot multiple groups for a few different kinds of match ammo. The results were about the same, maybe a little better with some.







The bipod and sandbag combo was SOLID, absolutely no reticle movement when on target so the results are good hard data as far as I'm concerned. Nice weather again with virtually no wind and I was really focusing on good clean trigger squeeze, etc. I also waited at least 5 minutes between each group.  

The ammo for the followup test was 20 rounds of Nosler match 77 grain, 20 rounds of Fiocchi match 69 grain, and 20 rounds of Federal Match 69 grain. I also shot one group each of IMI 69 grain, IMI 77 grain, and Federal XM193. The results:





The Nosler averaged right at 3 MOA and the FGMM averaged right at 2.5 MOA. Interestingly (or frustratingly?) it appears to like Federal XM193 as much as any match ammo; 2.48" group yesterday and a 2.55" group on Monday. The others... meh.

A couple observations I made at the range:
- The point of impact varies wildly with different types of ammo. I always expect some shift but I have never experienced as much shift as with the X95. I did a quick zero with Remington UMC 55gr at 100 yards, then shot the first group of Nosler 77. I was aiming at the upper left dot on that target and hit way to the right, almost to the right dot. I maintained my point of aim for that group which centered over 6 inches to the right. I dropped down to the second left dot and shot another group below the first, again over 6 inches to the right. I adjusted the scope left and then didn't mess with it for the rest of the test. The Federal XM193 printed almost 6 inches the other way when I got to that one. Moral of the story is test whatever different types of ammo you have put away through your X95 and adjust accordingly. Yes it is wise to do that with any rifle but my AR's do not vary by that much... I actually shot a few different types of ammo through my BCM 11.5" while I was there and all of the groups printed within 3 inches of each other. The groups were also considerably better, about 1.5" for both the Federal 69 and IMI 69 (from a 11.5" lightweight / fluted BCM barrel).

- On the groups with dramatic "fliers" (IMI 69 and Fiocchi), the first shot was always the one furthest out (left on the Fiocchi and low on the IMI). Refer back to my last targets and you will see the same dramatic low flier on the group of IMI 69 from Monday. I mistakenly assumed I must have been aiming at the wrong dot and adjusted it for measuring purposes... apparently I should not have! The trigger breaks were clean and I believe there is something going on with pressure on the barrel and how it reacts to warming up. It seems that some loads trigger this more than others. It reminds me of trying to do load development on a hunting rifle which isn't free floated...

So in the end it is a 2.5 MOA gun with a rock solid rest and ammo that doesn't exacerbate the non free floated barrel. While that does not excite me and I wish it was better, I just have to wrap my head around its intended purpose and stop chasing groups on paper. I was pretty frustrated with it when I left the main range... I went down to one of the shorter bays and did some 25 yard blasting with wolf at clay pigeons and had a blast. So I am done with buying match ammo for it. The only test I have left in mind is get a good solid zero with some M193 and then shoot 10 groups in a row without letting it cool down. I am interested to see if it shifts much as it heats up with an ammo that it apparently likes. We will see...

Also, it looks ridiculous with the 4-16 PST and a bipod. I felt like "that guy" every time someone glanced at it...
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 3:05:58 PM EDT
For a modern battle rifle while acceptable that's fairly crappy groups. I'd expect a little better for a gun that costs that much.

Thanks for doing the write up.
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how accurate do they have to be?




Steyr AUG-A1




20" barrel; 1:9 twist




1.5x optic




front sandbag rest

GECO 55gr








The Groups:




2.133" ES/0.731" mean radius




1.324" ES/0.391" mean radius





Best Group (MR)








ADI 69gr SMK









 
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Same here.  I am not an accuracy snob on my AR's but I expect 1.5" at 100yds with even decent ammo so I will probably now be passing on the X95 unless they figure out how to improve that and the weight since I have multiple SBR's that work just fine for my needs.  I really wanted the X95 though but the cost of entry is just too high for me with the weight and accuracy drawbacks.
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I'm so there with you, I'm torn on if I'm going to buy this or not. Part of me just wants to save 1000.00 and SBR one of my stripped lowers.
Link Posted: 4/21/2016 7:31:52 PM EDT
AJBello, thank you for the write up!!



Maybe the 1/7 twist is the problem here.. would a 1/8 or 1/9 twist be more accurate for 55/62 grain range?
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Maybe the 1/7 twist is the problem here.. would a 1/8 or 1/9 twist be more accurate for 55/62 grain range?
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Most of the ammo I tested was 69, 75, or 77 grain match stuff. I did shoot some 55 grain and ironically it seemed to like it as much as anything else (XM193). I don't think weight has anything to do with it... at this point I think it is all about barrel harmonics with the different loads and some sort of pressure with the way the barrel is mounted, perhaps where it meets the shell at the very front. Honestly we're all probably better off if we just accept it as generally AK-accurate and enjoy it for what it is (at least that's the way I'm trying to look at it for now).

Link Posted: 4/21/2016 10:04:03 PM EDT
Got to handle an x95 yesterday (Price $1899.00) and compare it at the store to AUG and Tavor

A few observations (Many the same as has been posted but hopefully it will give you an idea of what is consistent across the board)

Pro's

Trigger - Of the three types handled - the x95 has the best trigger (~7-8 pounds guesstimate but repeatable)
Mag release - much better located like the AR15
Charging handle location and type - it was easier to charge than the other two types
Handguard - Much better for me than the other two

Con's

Still felt more clunky compared to the AUG but better than the Tavor
Trigger - Still not up to the Gieselle and other (that is to be expected)



Overall I think it is a better rendition of the tavor for sure.

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A few observations (Many the same as has been posted but hopefully it will give you an idea of what is consistent across the board)

Pro's

Trigger - Of the three types handled - the x95 has the best trigger (~7-8 pounds guesstimate but repeatable)
Mag release - much better located like the AR15
Charging handle location and type - it was easier to charge than the other two types
Handguard - Much better for me than the other two

Con's

Still felt more clunky compared to the AUG but better than the Tavor
Trigger - Still not up to the Gieselle and other (that is to be expected)



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I am right on the same page as you on this.... Not sure what it is but the aug on general feel just feels smoother and more sleek. I love the Tavor and x95 but the Aug just fills more sleeker whatever that means it's hard to describe...
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Best I can do with 55 grain hornady vmax.  Remember this is a battle rifle not a bolt gun.
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For what I want it for this is perfecto....
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There's an OD Green x95 up on Gunbroker, so those must be shipping now.


Link Posted: 4/22/2016 10:03:27 PM EDT
Does that mean the normal trigger guard grips are shipping?
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I would have to agree with Sparks. Bullpups by sheer design are not competition guns. They are difficult to shoot from the bench, and among other important factors, have short barrels. If I was trying to reach out to 500 yards with a 2.5 MOA rifle, I would not be happy- at all. However, using a 2.5 MOA bullpup for sweeping through the home or running drills is practical and perfect.
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I would have to agree with Sparks. Bullpups by sheer design are not competition guns. They are difficult to shoot from the bench, and among other important factors, have short barrels. If I was trying to reach out to 500 yards with a 2.5 MOA rifle, I would not be happy- at all. However, using a 2.5 MOA bullpup for sweeping through the home or running drills is practical and perfect.


What I used to test for groups was my Caldwell lead sled solo.  Makes it pretty easy to shoot for groups with the x95.
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BDF1, if those are 100 yard groups, they are very nice.  I'm seeing 1.5" except for the group with vertical stringing.  I'm on the waiting list for an ODG X95, but some of this accuracy talk scares me.  I have a Polish Beryl that'll shoot 1" all day for anyone.  It weighs the same as the X95/Tavor and is the current Polish battle rifle.  It seems people got good groups with the Tavor.  Is the Tavor more accurate than the X95?  Thanks for the info you guys are posting.  It is very valuable to those of us waiting to purchase one
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Yes that's 100 yard with my Nightforce Actar 4-16X42.  Accuracy is about the same compare to my Tavor I had.  
If you want tighter groups, reload is the way to go.  I notice when the barrel got warm
the groups open up a little still under 1.5 moa.  The worst group on top is the Federal gold match 77 grain.
Link Posted: 4/24/2016 4:33:58 AM EDT
Can anyone put in a word as to which offset light mounts clear the contour of the handguard of this rifle? Particularly railed options (with a TLR in mind) or Surefire pattern. I'm concerned about clearance as most are designed for the AR15 in mind while this rifle has obviously different clearances.

Thanks
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Based on what the IWI US rep told me, they should be!
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Heck, that's typical hunting type bolt gun accuracy.--Average of groups with factory ammo- not the grand pappy's rifle lucky one for the internet.
Link Posted: 4/25/2016 1:08:42 PM EDT
Im a buyer as soon as they release the trigger guard replacement, but not until then.  Maybe IWI reads this?
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I have a larue offset with a mini scout. It won't work on the side rails at all.

It will work on the top and bottom rails so for example, if you run a front grip and wanted the scout to be activated using your thumb you'd attach it to the bottom rail and it would be in a good postin for that.
Link Posted: 4/25/2016 2:13:00 PM EDT
Of course IWI comes out with this when I am spending all of my gun money on ammunition and magazines.....
Link Posted: 4/25/2016 6:45:57 PM EDT
I held an X95 at a gun show last weekend, only one there and it was going for full price. Very nice though. Depending on how the MDR release goes the X95 may be my next 5.56 rifle.
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Feels better with the factory plastic handguard covers off.  When shooting with the factory handguard covers,
I noticed that I was pressing the release button of the handguard covers while shooting.
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I noticed that I was pressing the release button of the handguard covers while shooting.
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Feels better with the factory plastic handguard covers off.  When shooting with the factory handguard covers,
I noticed that I was pressing the release button of the handguard covers while shooting.

How do you likie the short Magpul VG?  I like them on AR's and wondered about the X95.  I also like the AFG1 and think that would flow well with the lines.  Thanks.
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Feels better with the factory plastic handguard covers off.  When shooting with the factory handguard covers,
I noticed that I was pressing the release button of the handguard covers while shooting.

How do you likie the short Magpul VG?  I like them on AR's and wondered about the X95.  I also like the AFG1 and think that would flow well with the lines.  Thanks.


It feels more comfortable then without one.  I can grip two different ways with Magpul VG and AFG1 you can grip one way only.
Link Posted: 5/1/2016 12:05:50 PM EDT
I had a Troy vfg on for awhile but the round body didn't feel good in the hand plus the added weight was notacible.

I like the feel of the magpul better.

The darn thing is so heavy, maybe because I have SBRs that are much lighter to compare it with.
I think I'm going to stick with just the T1 and no extra backup iron sights. I'll install the light and magnifier as needed to save on the weight.

Before I installed the vfg, I was pushing the right side release button while I shot and it would slide forward.  



Link Posted: 5/1/2016 12:23:20 PM EDT
Something about the x95 has always been in the back of my mind, but I couldn't figure it out until now.
With the rails exposed, the forward rail section and upper rail make it look like an SIR rail from years back.
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I like the feel of the magpul better.

The darn thing is so heavy, maybe because I have SBRs that are much lighter to compare it with.
I think I'm going to stick with just the T1 and no extra backup iron sights. I'll install the light and magnifier as needed to save on the weight.

Before I installed the vfg, I was pushing the right side release button while I shot and it would slide forward.  

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boing!
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Funny part is a good portion of the members here are younger than the SIR rails!  

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LOL, you are right.

Funny part is a good portion of the members here are younger than the SIR rails!  

Talk about "old new tech"  


Thanks, Sven...now I'm feeling old.  I remember when we crashed the original AR15.com servers during the Y2k elections...
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 10:29:57 PM EDT

The ammo I previously talked about in video was the IMI 77gr OTM.




I am releasing a video tomorrow where I shoot with the following:




FGMM 69gr

Black Hills 77gr OTM

IMI 77 OTM

Federal American Eagle 62gr




I didn't have any M193 on hand to test, but I will do another test in a bit with a selection of 55gr ammo to see what I get.
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Funny part is a good portion of the members here are younger than the SIR rails!  

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LOL, you are right.

Funny part is a good portion of the members here are younger than the SIR rails!  

Talk about "old new tech"  

How long until the new x95 butt pad is ready? The bottom point on my x95 is driving me crazy!
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