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Posted: 2/13/2002 4:52:37 PM EDT
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Do I have this right? You sent the rifles back and they had your money too? Or are you just out the shipping?
I always try to use credit card or paypal with credit card. I'm willing to pay an extra 3% for the piece of mind. |
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Posted: 2/13/2002 5:06:16 PM EDT
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I don't buy firearms from individuals unless it's a face to face. I frequently buy firearms from dealers using internet/catalogue, and I try to keep it simple. I will pay for the firearm directly, with a credit card, and then have them ship to my local FFL. I do business with several dealers who will send a copy of their FFL to anyone I want, and I will pay them a transfer fee. You have personal recourse with a CC; if they won't accept my paymant, then I'll take my business elsewhere.
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Posted: 2/13/2002 5:30:20 PM EDT
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I've purchased 50-60 firearms from individuals during the past year. Never a problem. Ask for references, go to boards like the subguns board of inquiry and ask for experiences with that particular seller and if all comes back ok chances are you won't have a problem.
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Posted: 2/14/2002 2:01:11 AM EDT
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Collector Rifle & Ammo is 5 minutes from my home. I deal with Charlie, Scott his son and his wife on a regular basics. Charlie can be and usually is grumpy and cocky. His son Scott and wife are the nicest people you will ever meet.
Charlie runs the show and most of his shop is a sh*thole with junk all over the floor. If there are 2 people in the store it is literally packed. You can't move around without tripping over anything. He does have the best prices on guns. Pre-banned and post. Ammo and gun transfers he will take you for a ride on. I must of spent 10K in the last two years on guns alone from him. He charged me NYS sales tax on a transfer from FL, plus $120 for the transfer itself last year. He claimed he must charge tax and everyone who does not collect tax from an out of state sale is committing a crime. The way he formulates the transfer fee comes straight out of his ass. Found this out after the gun arrived in his store. He had me pinned at that point. Never again have I or will I do a transfer with him. What he does with guns he has out on display on floor racks is he will make guns from NIB part kits and sell them as factory new. This doesn’t make it a crime being that they are new, but misleads people that the gun being sold as new as it came from the factory. |
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Posted: 2/14/2002 2:47:29 AM EDT
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Are we talking "Charlie Red" and "Hopewell Junction" here ? This is where i purchased my bushmaster and 870 from, but in person . i agree with flashbang 100 % he is a very cocky SOB, great prices on new guns, and sometimes he has an ammo sale, otherwise he can be high.
Hey flashbang we should get go shooting some time, I'm down hyde park way. |
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Posted: 2/14/2002 3:07:20 AM EDT
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I also bought my M4 Bushmaster from him. I had no problems in person. I see him setup at the shows all the time. He does have good prices. I only bought from him as when I was shopping it was around 9/11 and not many dealers in the area had stock. Those that did were charging and arm and a leg. Roger where do you shoot? I am in Westchester but I drive up to knights range to shoot in Goshen. It gets expensive but I never have any problems there and when I feel like doing rapid they never hassle me. |
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Posted: 2/14/2002 3:28:40 AM EDT
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Presently i shoot nowhere, had a friend who had 10 acres , he has recently sold them. I'm checking out a few clubs now, the one in fishkill is a good deal, but its a bit of a haul for me. till then its just bow and pellet gun on my property !
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Posted: 2/14/2002 3:38:30 AM EDT
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taelil
GEORGE KNIGHTS GUN RANGE IS NOW CLOSED!! It is sad but the bank has taken over the range. Anyone with guns at the range or deposits will still be able to get their guns. The Pistol Department is pushing through all amendments and applications as much as they can so that people can get their guns as soon as possible. If you are unable to pick up your gun now, the guns will be transferred to another local dealer where you can pick them up. UPDATE: If you are still looking for your gun someone might be at the range the week of 2/11/02 on and off. Call the range first. All guns that are left will be transferred to local FFL. Warwick Savings Bank is in charge and the POC is Eddie Alvarez at 695-2970 ext 222. Everyone who I have spoken to has said that Warwick Savings Bank is doing the best that they can do to help anyone who had a gun at Knights. www.ocshooters.com
Thats him. I'm in Fishkill and so is my range SDPSA |
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Posted: 2/14/2002 3:53:44 AM EDT
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Well Shit! I was just up there about 2 weeks ago and was planning on going up tommorow! That really sucks. Good thing I had no purchases up there, I only used the range. I am in the process of working out availability for me to shoot at Camp Smith on my own time. If that is not enough I need to find somewhere to shoot. I had heard mention of a club in Fishkill but never persued it. You have a web site with info on pricing/availability/range info? If not can you pass me some info on it here? Right now since I am not working I like to go during the weekday is that possible at your range? Is the range outdoors, fixed distance? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks for the heads up.
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Posted: 2/14/2002 4:06:34 AM EDT
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taelil, since you are in the goshen area, aren't there some large public access areas over by west point (don't you wish the range at the point was open to us poor taxpayers who paid for it) ?
i know the place Flash, used to go there for picnics when i worked at IBM fishkill, at IBM pok now. It's a great site , but it's an hour's plus drive for me , there are 2 hunt clubs closer. I hate to join then as i always hunt behind my house (bow) and am not looking for land access, which is what most of these clubs are all about. don't they allow you to bring paying guests to Fishkill, I have seen several people here mention it, we could all get togather some day (WHEN IT WARMS UP) |
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Posted: 2/14/2002 4:07:18 AM EDT
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www.geocities.com/sdpsa 100yd. outdoor range. 50' indoor pistol/22lr. range. trap range. open inside 9am-10pm everyday outside varys with seasons, but basicly 9am- sunset, except weekends and holidays, which it opens at 10am. 200/year to shooters only, nothing else required. 150/year for full club members which includes 18hrs./year work time, and use of hunting properties. |
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Posted: 2/14/2002 4:11:01 AM EDT
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Yes, I can bring as many guest I want and it's free for all. If it gets crowded [never does, has 10 stations]and a member wants to shoot a guest must yeild to the mwmber. That's the only rule on guest. |
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Posted: 2/15/2002 4:15:47 AM EDT
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Hey guys sorry to hijack this thread!
Flashbang can you email me [email protected]. I might not be able to make the meeting which I believe is next week, as I have a 3 day weekend drill coming up next week. I might want to take a look at the $200 memebership, I spent that in a few trips up to the range alone. That is not a bad deal I would like to check out the range sometime. I have a feeling this is the club my uncle belonged to a while back. I remember trap shooting up in Fishkill about 12 years ago, and also attending a huge outdoor barbecue or something. 
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Posted: 2/15/2002 7:04:39 AM EDT
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I've bought and sold about the same number of guns in the last year - dealers and individuals. I've had problems probably totaling $500.00 and that entire amount came from three different H&K purchases with three different H&K owners. My deal is I want to speak with the seller 'on the phone' with the gun in either his hand or lap. Actually the vast majority of people are honest. |
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Posted: 2/15/2002 9:07:23 AM EDT
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I have only had one experience that was not a great one. Fortunatly the hairs on my neck had stood up and I listened to them and did make the deal as the buyer wanted.
I have a Feather Carbine listed on this board. I received and Email from someone wanting to know if I would want to trade for a SP1 lower. Hell yes. It almost sounded familar so I checked the for sale forum. Sure enough, this guy had had it listed on there for like a week for a asking price of like $850 or $900. with no replies from anyone yet. I emailed the guy back and said I would do the deal. When he replied, the hair on my neck stood on end. I am the seller, he approached me with a trade, he wanted me to send the feather to his FFL and if it was as described, he would send the Colt lower. I did a little more checking, noticed that he never put his name in any of his emails and did not have his name in his AR15.com profile. He only had like 10 posts. I checked the last 3 months (the most availible at that time) and only found two. They both where real recent, one for the Colt lower, and one for a 9mm upper, both REALLY good prices. I did have a good feeling about this, so I emailed the guy and gave him my terms on which I would make the deal. he would have to send the Lower to my FFL, once my FFL opened and confirmed it is what it is said to be, he will ship the feather out to his ffl. I even said that I would not pick the lower up from my FFL until he got the Feather, I told him I use a FFL that is REALLY well known on this board (Cav Arms). I explained to him way I was not totally confortable with his offer, listing the low post count, Him never giving me a name, and the fact he approached me. I told him he can check this sight, Assaultweb and Gunbroker and see I have a good reputation and references. I never heard back from him and noticed the next day his adds had been deleted from the Boards. I believe the name he was going under was ConcealedCarry, wonder if anyone ever bought his stuff or dealt with him. |
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Posted: 2/15/2002 9:35:09 AM EDT
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Ilove2shoot,
Let me guess, the little prick was from Garland or Dallas, Texas, right? There are several threads over on on the Subguns.com Board of Inquiry about him. He goes by several names-- ConcealedPistol, Quicksale, etc. Has lots of different free [email protected] (all the same type of e-mail address). He has used several names--Jason Antonopolus, John Been, Jason A., Adrian Cabrera, A. Munoz, etc. Over here, he was trying to swap a Python for a Beta-C mag a while back. He was DUMB enough to use a real FFL at one point, and got someone's HK 91 and $$ in exchange for a "Vaporware" HK 94 that never existed. The ATF and Postal Inspectors have all of his information. He also has lots of pissed off gun owners (including several taken for $thousands) looking for him. I seem to recall him trying to use a Fake FFL address. He typically uses Mailboxes, Etc. addresses, but doesn't specify them as such-- This is a Cut an Past from Subguns.com, along with the e-mail of the ATF agent looking into the matter: Known address: ATTN: JASON #292 381 Casa Linda Plaza Garland,TX 75218 [email protected] [email protected] APT#292 381 CASA LINDA DALLAS, TX 75218 J.A STE 292 381 Casa Linda Dallas, TX 75218 email was [email protected] PBM #385 1920 Abrans Parkway Dallas TX, 75214-6218 Cell #-withheld Email-"john Been" [email protected] sign email as "josh j." Joe's #292 381Casa Linda Plaza Dallas,Tx 75218 Subj: WTT MAGS 4 MAGS Date: 10/19/01 To: [email protected] J.A. (LMK) LOUIS MUNOZ. NAME MATCHED ADDRESS AT 5427 LINDSLEY AVE DALLAS, TX 75223 (214)827-6039 PROBABLE WORK ADDRESS 381 CASA LINDA PLZ SUITE/APT #292 DALLAS, TX 75218 CELL: 214-862-1340 USED FFL ADDRESS PO BOX 8276 DALLAS, TX 75218 NEW Joe Alberto 5427 Lindsley Ave. Mesquite. TX 75223-1852 214-458-6933 email [email protected] contact info If it's the same addresses that I posted. In an effort to work this case, would each of you please e-mail me with your names, addresses and telephone numbers so that an investigator may contact you, should it be necessary. Thank you, Kathleen Quiroz Inspector, BATF Tucson, AZ (520) 670-4804 [email protected] |
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Posted: 2/15/2002 9:51:38 AM EDT
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If its the same dirtbag, he took a buddy of mine for $1100 for a SP1 that he never delivered that was posted in the Equipment Exchange here.
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Posted: 2/15/2002 10:46:28 AM EDT
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ILove2Shoot
Your spider sense was on target, apparently the guy ripped off a couple of people and there is an active BATF investigation on the guy, its on another recent thread, I forgot the title. |
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Posted: 2/15/2002 12:51:02 PM EDT
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Thats him!!!...I read those threads on Subguns....sonna of Biscuit eater.....he is using the email: [email protected]
here is part of the email I sent to him on Jan 21. on Jan 22 he took his posts down. (this paragraph is qouted from the email he sent me) "Okay then would you send me your address please so I can get an FFL out to you for you to ship the rifle please give me one last good descrition of it then when I get the rifle if it is just as described i will send you this MINT COLT completed lower I have it IS just as described serial # SP34401 not a scratch on it" No offense, but I dont feel completly comfortable doing it this way. I have traded a couple of guns via the internet. The way I and most others usually work it is the buyer (you) sends either the money to me directly or (as in this case) sends the rifle/lower being traded for, to my FFL. With a copy of your FFLs license. when it arrives, if it is what is described, then my FFL will ship out the Feather to your FFL via Priority Mail with Delivery confirmation and insurance. I can even go one step further and agree not to pick up the lower until your FFL has gotten the Feather and you see it is as described. The FFL I use is Cavalry Arms, they are a reputable dealer and well known on the AR15 forums. I dont mean to offend in any way, but You are not well known on AR15, and have very few posts, 2 in the last 3 months that I have found. I dont even know your name or anything, something that you did not put in your Profile or even in you Emails. You can put a post on AR 15.com or Assault web asking about me, I have bought and sold a few items on both of those websites. I also have sold a couple of items on Gunbroker.com and also use the name Love2Shoot there, I have good references on there also. Please let me know if you are still interested in trading. Thanks, Doug a couple of Key things that seemed weird. He emphisized MINT COLT, he had listed it as a SP1 but then gave me a non SP1 serial number. I know it was a SP number, but......Sorry to here someone else got taken buy his add in the equipment exchange. I hope that the email I sent him spooked him enough to take it down before others got screwed. |
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Posted: 2/15/2002 1:12:04 PM EDT
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Doug:
You should, in an abundance of caution, take your serial Nos out of your post. |
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Posted: 2/15/2002 6:38:37 PM EDT
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Robert, thanks for the concern. But the serial number in the post is from the SUPPOSED SP lower he was going to send me. I know better then to publicly post my serial #s, I even go so far as to Color in the areas before I post any pictures also.
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Posted: 2/15/2002 9:27:06 PM EDT
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Why ?? No flame. Just Why ? |
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Posted: 2/15/2002 11:53:52 PM EDT
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Offshore, if you sent the rifles back and he still has your money, call the Feds and ATF. Possible pressure on losing his FFL or jail for theft, fraud, whatever, may loosen up the funds.
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Posted: 2/16/2002 7:14:18 AM EDT
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Bull****. It is the buyer's responsibility to turn in the purchase on their own state taxes at the end of the year, just like if you order something from out of state that is shipped directly to your home. I have done various transfers and have never been asked to pay sales tax. The guy you deal with is probably pocketing the "sales tax". I voluntarily pay my FFL $20 for transfers; he has never asked for a fee. |
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