How much would you pay for a brand new M1?

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - How much would you pay for a brand new M1?

Posted: 9/22/2004 10:46:27 PM EDT

And yes I do mean factory new and unfired condition with matching numbers. Not a dent scratch or a pit on them. Not a reproduction, Original assembly fresh out of the unopened crates kind of condition.

Posted: 9/22/2004 10:49:29 PM EDT

[#1]

All ads go to the EE and you must post a price.

Posted: 9/22/2004 10:50:31 PM EDT

[#2]

Not an ad. Serious question.

Posted: 9/22/2004 10:59:56 PM EDT

[#3]

M1 ABRAMS? I've got a few bucks i could spare.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/m1-003.jpg
Ok, sorry...

Posted: 9/23/2004 6:36:24 AM EDT

[#4]

The CMP will be auctioning off a few that showed up in the batch of Greeks.. they are still in the silver wrap from the maker.. more than likely, they will fetch $3K and up.

Posted: 9/23/2004 6:46:44 AM EDT

[#5]

my M1 from the DCM (now CMP) was NIB, and I think the going price back then was $400

sigh, she's not "new" anymore, but I have taken good care of her (SA, cir'53 IIRC)

Posted: 9/23/2004 6:49:43 AM EDT

[#6]

Are the new ones Springfield Armory offers condidered a "reproduction"? I see them at the shows for around $1K.

Posted: 9/23/2004 6:51:13 AM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
Are the new ones Springfield Armory offers condidered a "reproduction"? I see them at the shows for around $1K.

Are new SA ones considered reproductions?

Absolutely.

Posted: 9/23/2004 6:55:36 AM EDT

[#8]

A NEW ONE. $650.00

i got an old one from the CMP i payed 500 for.
i can't see forking over any more for a new one.

Posted: 9/23/2004 7:17:58 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
A NEW ONE. $650.00

i got an old one from the CMP i payed 500 for.
i can't see forking over any more for a new one.

If you managed to buy a new one for $650.00, how much would you sell it for?

Posted: 9/24/2004 3:17:13 AM EDT

[#10]

There are plenty of "original assembly fresh out of the unopened crates kind of condition" M1 Rifles available. They're in the same warehouse as those WW2 crated jeeps and Harley military motorcycles....

The new Springfield Armory Inc. M1 Rifles are certainly reproductions and large made of castings, not forgings. And they're not worth buying.

There are no "matching numbers" on US military weapons. Foreign weapons don't have fully interchangeable parts and consequently the weapon serial number is placed on many pieces so they go back in the right weapon so it will function. US military weapons have one (1) serial number on them, so there's nothing to "match."

All "correct" parts is another issue and the subject of several books.

-- Chuck

Posted: 9/24/2004 2:52:05 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
....my M1 from the DCM (now CMP)...

FYI…It has always been the CMP. DCM stands for Director, Civilian Marksmanship (Program).

Posted: 9/24/2004 3:40:29 PM EDT

[#12]

I just got a Greek H&R barrel date 3-55. Not new in box but by all reasonable standards, a brand new rifle. This rifle was never issued. It is becoming clear to me that I really lucked out on this thing. My name is Patriot, and I'm a Garandaholic.

Posted: 9/24/2004 5:50:31 PM EDT

[#13]

I would gladly pay $1300 for a new one from Fulton Armory - they just don't get any better. Forget the Springfield Armory knock-offs.

www.fulton-armory.com

Posted: 9/24/2004 6:09:30 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
I would gladly pay $1300 for a new one from Fulton Armory - they just don't get any better. Forget the Springfield Armory knock-offs.

www.fulton-armory.com

Why would you do that when you can have one of these for $500.00 less?

groups.msn.com/WestTexasOrdnance/m1garand.msnw

Posted: 9/24/2004 7:24:25 PM EDT

[#15]

Department of Civilian Marksmanship

Posted: 9/24/2004 8:11:57 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Department of Civilian Marksmanship

Negative, never existed.

It was always CMP. DCM stands for Director - Civilian Marksmanship: The Host of the National Matches.

Gary Anderson
Director Civilian Marksmanship Program

His email is here:

Director of Civilian Marksmanship
Civilian Marksmanship Program
PO Box 576
Port Clinton, OH 43452
Phone (419) 635-2141
Fax (419) 635-2802
e-mail dcm@odcmp.com

The CMP was created by the U.S. Congress. The original purpose was to provide civilians an opportunity to learn and practice marksmanship skills so they would be skilled marksmen if later called on to serve the U.S. military. Over the years the emphasis of the program shifted to focus on youth development through marksmanship. From 1916 until 1996 the CMP was administered by the U.S. Army. The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1996 (TITLE XVI) created the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice & Firearms Safety, Inc. (CPRPFS) to take over administration and promotion of the CMP. The CPRPFS is a tax exempt not-for-profit 501(c)(3) organization that derives its mission from public law.

Posted: 9/24/2004 8:21:09 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Quoted:
I would gladly pay $1300 for a new one from Fulton Armory - they just don't get any better. Forget the Springfield Armory knock-offs.

www.fulton-armory.com

Why would you do that when you can have one of these for $500.00 less?

img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/varoadking/rifle4.jpg

groups.msn.com/WestTexasOrdnance/m1garand.msnw

Or these:

Posted: 9/24/2004 8:25:41 PM EDT

[#18]

I'm taking my M1 out tomorrow

Posted: 9/25/2004 3:56:44 AM EDT

[#19]

Easiest way to compare $1300 Fulton Armory reproductions to real CMP $600 M1 Garands is to note the Fulton rifle will immediately start to decrease in value, the second you sign the credit card receipt, while the value of the CMP rifle will increase faster than inflation. That's the difference between faux and real military rifles.

-- Chuck

Posted: 9/25/2004 9:36:20 AM EDT

[#20]

Well, guy I work with paid $450+20.95 Shipping from CMP. He ordered an HRA Greek SG and got a brand new rifle. The thing was stored and that's it. Not rebuilt, brand new still in cosmoline. To say I was a bit jealous is an understatement. See pictures here. Look on the right side. MarkMars is the guys name.

At some point, it was disassembled because it came with a complete, brand new SA trigger group. Everything else is HRA.

Posted: 9/27/2004 9:28:27 AM EDT

[#21]

I would advise anyone looking for a garand to get one from the CMP.

But there are some people that prefer to see what they are getting and get the springfield inc. That being said, I have an excellent condition correct HRA for sale. (shamless plug)

m1 for sale

Posted: 9/27/2004 10:57:21 AM EDT

[#22]

Fro, that is a nice looking stick! If any of you are looking for a good M1 think about it for a minute. A really nice 'correct' M1 is worth a pretty penny.

You can get (or could get) Greek Rack grades for $300 plus shipping, shootable but they are pretty rough. I got one this past July and after careful examination of its condition decided to make it into a "pretty rifle". You see my RG was cosmeticly UGLY, but mechanixcally sound. I had a good armorer recrown the barrel, and I wanted accuracy so I had NM sights installed, a NM trigger job and the gas system tuned. The rifle was re-Parkerized and glasbedded into a new AA FAncy walnut stock which I personally tung oil finished (20 days worth). It is a beauty, but all totalled I have close to $1,200 into it. Now if I had to sell it It would probably fetch only part of that. But to me it is what I wanted in this M1, a quasi presentatiion M1. Now if had come with a decent walnut stock I may have claened it up a bit and left it 'original'. But to each his own. This is my second Garand.

Posted: 9/28/2004 4:59:27 AM EDT

[#23]

I've looked at the CMP, Trouble with paperwork requirments.

Only local range with shooting that qualifies is members only, Already called them. Membership fee for the range and such isn't bad @ $75 a year.

But some of their other requirments I just cannot meet. Must attend so many meetings per year which would be fine except they are on 1st and 3rd tuesdays at 7pm.

I work second shift.

Range open for shooting limited during what would be my free time when I could shoot. I have a 2 hour window per weekend evening.

All of their comp shooting is done on a day each month when I cannot spare the time.

blah
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blah

Of course all of this sucks since the Range is only about 6 miles away.

Posted: 9/28/2004 7:38:55 AM EDT

[#24]

All you need to buy an M1 from DCM is:

1) join Garand Collectors Association, $25 and you will get some good information as well.
2) have a CCW permit (doesn't everyone?).
3) be a US citizen with a valid birth certificate.

Years ago you HAD TO have proof of shooting two High-power matches, get finger-printed, etc. I got my first M1 under these rules 10 yers ago. Process is much simpler now. If you want one you will jump through the hoops.

If this is too much for you, then you can pay a few hunderd dollar premium at a gunshow for one that somebody bought and now decided to sell.

Quoted:

I've looked at the CMP, Trouble with paperwork requirments.

Only local range with shooting that qualifies is members only, Already called them. Membership fee for the range and such isn't bad @ $75 a year.

But some of their other requirments I just cannot meet. Must attend so many meetings per year which would be fine except they are on 1st and 3rd tuesdays at 7pm.

I work second shift.

Range open for shooting limited during what would be my free time when I could shoot. I have a 2 hour window per weekend evening.

All of their comp shooting is done on a day each month when I cannot spare the time.

blah
bhal
blah

Of course all of this sucks since the Range is only about 6 miles away.

Posted: 10/2/2004 9:34:03 PM EDT

[#25]

You can also meet the CMP requirements by joining the NRA and obtaining a C&RFFL.
Jim

Posted: 10/3/2004 3:58:04 AM EDT

[#26]

NRA is not an "affilliated club." But Iowa Rifle and Pistol Association is. As is Ohio RPA.

"Paperwork" problems are nonsense.

You still need high power shooting experience. That's one day on the range at a "John Garand Match" which are held almost every weekend around here and certainly once a month out on the praries. The qualifying matches supply rifles and ammo. This has changed, see below!

-- Chuck

Posted: 10/3/2004 8:41:09 AM EDT

[#27]

The shooting requirement is waived if you have a C&R FFL, and joining the Garand collectors assoc. will met the club requirement. Everyone should be a member of the NRA anyway, but I meant to say the Garand Collectors Assoc. instead of NRA. Brain fart- sorry.
A C&RFFL is worth having by itself just for the discounts from Midway and Brownells. The C&RFFL is $30.00 for 3 years and the Garand Collector membership is $25.00. Send those and your birth certificate and buy a Garand, '03 or '17.
Jim

Posted: 10/3/2004 10:16:27 AM EDT

[#28]

Thanks, I'm behind the knowledge curve on this one!

The high power experience requirements have become very liberal, about the only good liberal item I can think of. Even your CCW/CHL permit will serve as proof.

ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS
By law, the CMP can sell surplus military firearms, ammunition, parts and other items only to members of CMP affiliated clubs who are also U.S. citizens, over 18 years of age and who are legally eligible to purchase a firearm.

U.S. Citizenship:
You must provide a copy of a U.S. birth certificate, passport, proof of naturalization, or any official government document that shows birth in the U.S. or states citizenship as U.S.

Age
You must provide proof of age. Usually proof of citizenship also provides proof of age. In those cases where it may not, a driver’s license is sufficient.

Membership in CMP Affiliated Organization
You must provide a copy of your current membership card or other proof of membership, if your club does not issue cards. This requirement cannot be waived. The CMP currently has over 1,800 affiliated organizations located in every part of the country. Membership in many of these organizations costs $25.00 or less and can be accomplished online. A listing of affiliated clubs is available at on our web site. If you have any difficulty in locating a club, please contact the CMP at 256-835-8455. We will find one for you.

Note: Club membership IS required for purchase of rifles, parts, and ammunition. Club membership is NOT required for instructional publications or videos or CMP memorabilia.

Marksmanship or other Firearms Related Activity
You must provide proof of participation in a marksmanship related activity or otherwise show familiarity with the safe handling of firearms and range procedures. Your marksmanship related activity does not have to be with highpower rifles; it can be with smallbore rifles, pistols, air guns or shotguns. Proof of marksmanship participation can be provided by documenting any of the following:

Current or past military service.
Current or past law enforcement service
Participation in a rifle, pistol, air gun or shotgun competition (provide copy of results bulletin).
Completion of a marksmanship clinic that included live fire training (provide a copy of the certificate of completion or a statement from the instructor).
Distinguished, Instructor, or Coach status.
Concealed Carry License.
Firearms Owner Identification Card.
FFL or C&R license.
Completion of a Hunter Safety Course that included live fire training.
Certification from range or club official or law enforcement officer witnessing shooting activity. A form for use in completing and certifying your range firing can be downloaded from the CMP web site at http://www.odcmp.com/forms/marksmanship.pdf
No proof required if over age 60.
NOTE: Proof of marksmanship activity is not required for purchase of ammunition, parts, publications or memorabilia.

[emphasis added]

-- Chuck

Posted: 10/3/2004 10:22:24 AM EDT

[#29]

They are trying to make it easy. I think the results of the matches were either hard to obtain or a lot of matches didn't print results in the format the CMP wanted.
I have an M1 Garand that should be here Monday. Yeah right! like UPS is ever on time, but it will be here this week.
Everyone should have at least 1 Garand.
Jim

Posted: 10/3/2004 10:42:21 AM EDT

[#30]

With these "requirements" there are no longer any excuses for anyone not having an M1 Rifle!

Or buying a reproduction from Springfield or Fulton.

-- Chuck

Posted: 10/9/2004 9:32:47 PM EDT

[#31]

goto this link to meet the marksmanship requirements

www.odcmp.com/Forms/marksmanship.pdf

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