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Posted: 11/9/2001 7:29:37 PM EDT
I was just thinking how much ammo each member of the fire team carried when I was in the U.S.M.C. (1971). I was wondering if any of you-all war dogs remembered. I always carried 7 mags loaded with extra bando for short overnight operations. What about you?
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 8:38:34 PM EDT
Let's see...10,000 rounds for the two GAU-2/Bs, 14 2.75 inch rockets and 18 rounds of .38 Special.
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 10:08:05 PM EDT
2 200 round battlepacks for the M-249 and 4 15 rounders for my personal 92FS.
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 10:42:50 PM EDT
I asked my uncle the bomber pilot this once. He said "four F-4's". Me, Seven mags of 5.56, four frags and some smoke.
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 10:45:11 PM EDT
DAMN! DOG! kick ass! :)
Link Posted: 11/9/2001 10:46:11 PM EDT
BA BAM! BA BAM! BAM!
Link Posted: 11/10/2001 1:15:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/10/2001 8:48:51 AM EDT
210 rds of 5.56
Link Posted: 11/10/2001 8:54:47 AM EDT
Wonder how much the rangers carried in Somolia during the "Black Hawk Down" mission. They sure shot a ton of shit. Wonder how many .50 cal they shot too.
Link Posted: 11/10/2001 9:14:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 7:
Wonder how much the rangers carried in Somolia during the "Black Hawk Down" mission. They sure shot a ton of shit. Wonder how many .50 cal they shot too.


I read the book also, I don't remember them saying anything about .50 cal stuff. Did our guys have a 50?
Link Posted: 11/10/2001 9:23:53 AM EDT
Both convoys did. That is where my sig line comes from. In the original convoy, one of the guys was taking fire and he just let it rip in every direction.

Link Posted: 11/10/2001 9:33:40 AM EDT
I caught a show on Public TV and they were interviewing some of the folks from the incident. One was a sniper describing how he was picking off Somalie's with a .50 at pretty good distances.
Link Posted: 11/10/2001 10:56:34 AM EDT
Each man that dismounted form the Bradley in my plt carried 7 30 round mags and 2 bandoleers except the saw gunners thay carried 6, 30 rounders and 2 200 round battle packs. The M203 gunners also carried 6 HE and 3 smoke 40mm grenades. For some reason, ( I think the BN CMD knew how much he was hated) We where never issued hand grenades during the Gulf war. Me, I had a 25mm chain gun with 70 rounds of AP and 230 rounds of HE ready to go at all times, along with 400 rounds of 7.62 for the coax and in 4 seconds I could have two Tow's ready to go. Along with the smoke grenade lauchers. Snice I was the plt daddy, times that by 4. I was also probably the only Bradley commander in the Gulf to have a M2 .50 on a tripod straped down in front of my hatch with 100 rounds on the gun and 800 more in the cargo rack. BTW There is no infantryman in the world lighter than the one coming out of the back of a Bradley.

SFC(ret)Rew E. Williams
Link Posted: 11/10/2001 12:57:59 PM EDT
2 bandoleers with 7 20 rounders each, 2 20 rounders on my helmet (I thought it looked cool), 1 4-pocket bandoleers with 20 rounders, 1 20 rounder in my weapon, 1 LAW, 10 frags (I was the platoon grenade lobber), 2 WP, 2 green smoke, 2 yellow smoke, 3 pouches with 2 7 rounders a piece for the .45, .45 with loaded mag, 1 M7 bayonet, one pocket knife.

Totals:

5.56mm = 420 rounds
66mm LAW = 1 rocket in disposable tube
Grenades = 16
.45 ACP = 49 rounds


All that shit was heavy as hell (especially when you consider that all my 5.56 was in mags), but I never once ran out of ammunition.

"Do what you will,
just don't hate me because I went about prepared."
Link Posted: 11/10/2001 5:23:09 PM EDT
In the field, 6+1 30-rounders. During Desert Storm, as many as I could carry! I was my platoon's recon sergeant, which meant I had a humvee to carry me and my gear, but all my ammo was on my body except for the AT4. IIRC I had 6 30-rounders in my mag pouches, 1 each in the flak vest pockets, and 8 in 2 of the then-new 4-pocket bandoleers made to hold 30-rounders.
Link Posted: 11/10/2001 5:50:48 PM EDT
When we set up blocking positions on Hwy 8 in Iraq I was an M249 gunner, I had one 200rd drum on the gun, 2 on my LBV and 3 more in my ruck. Rew they issued grenades to the NCO's but I don't think they trusted lower enlisted with them 'cause all we got was smoke. Oh, and a retarded sign that said "Danger Combat Zone" in arabic, which said sign almost cost me my face from concertina being stretched out by a flying duece and a half while we were setting it up.
Link Posted: 11/10/2001 7:46:14 PM EDT
7 30 rd mags of 5.56, 3x 15 rd M9 mags is standard for us in Garrison
Link Posted: 11/11/2001 5:22:31 AM EDT
CIB,

Victory Division? 2/18 infantry, from 197th?
Link Posted: 11/11/2001 7:40:38 AM EDT
If I remember right the M-60A3 I was in held about 2 tons.
Link Posted: 11/11/2001 7:44:14 AM EDT
7 Mags of 5.56 for M16 is standard 'combat load' for US Army, however, in Panama (193rd) and Desert Storm (101st), all of us in the rifle platoons had at least 10 fully loaded magazines on our body (2 or 3 in hip pockets or butt packs) as well as a few cached in our rucks along with the stripper clipped 5.56.
Link Posted: 11/11/2001 8:23:50 AM EDT
Unit SOP defines basic load. There is no "standard." Don't confuse BII (basic issue items) with standard or basic loads.

There are only six (6) magazines issued with each M16A2 Rifle or M4 Carbine as BII, so seven magazines won't be "standard" as there ain't enough magazines issued. In fact, there is no Army standard for what each soldier carries, that's a function of unit SOP. Infantry soldiers will carry more than mess kit repair folks. Infantry units will also "buy" more magazines than other units.

Seven magazines, however, is a very common number as the standard pair of magazine pouches hold 3 each and one in the rifle makes 7. An infantry unit will often, but not universally, add a second pair of mag pouches bringing the total up to 13 magazines.

In the early days of these rifles we had no magazine pouches, at least none made it to infantry units at the very end of long supply lines. The standard M14 cases were pretty useless. The standard bandoleer of that era hold 7 full 20 round magazines as easily as it hold clipped ammo. The infantry units I was in adopted 3 bandoleers plus one in the rifle as standard load: 22 magazines.

In the pre-body armor days we wore these bra-style across the chest and belly making the magazines reachable from the prone position. Individual pockets retain magazines better than open top pouches.

We rarely expended a basic load.

Captured SKS chest pouches may have served as the idea for bra-style bandoleers and many SKS pouches will hold USGI 20 round mags very nicely.

-- Chuck
Link Posted: 11/11/2001 11:58:43 AM EDT
USAF Security police, combat load 210 rounds 5.56, CONUS low threat 120 rounds 5.56
john
Link Posted: 11/11/2001 6:21:36 PM EDT
NH2112, B Co. 2/187th Infantry, 101st.
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 6:22:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/14/2001 7:01:47 AM EDT by CyKa]
hondajohn, I don't know when you were in, but when I was in it was 240 rounds of 5.56. Must have been the cold war.

If you had an M203 you also carried 18 40mm HE rounds in a tac vest.

M60 was 750 rounds (1 in 10 tracer)

M9 - 30 rounds

Note that unlike some branches of the service, Air Force cops ALWAYS carry ammo in their weapons... ;)
Link Posted: 11/12/2001 9:44:26 PM EDT
Hey CIB, RAKKASAN!
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 2:17:29 AM EDT
On normal training/exercises: 7 30rd mags (one in rifle, rest in magpouches). When doing FIBUA/MOUT: as much as I can carry (my current maximum is 15 30rd mags distributed all over me and my gear)
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 4:57:44 PM EDT
7 mags, 210 rds for the M16A1. 75rds 25mm APDS and 90rds 25mm HE-T for the M242 Bushmaster cannon. oh, and 2 TOW-2s.
CB
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 6:11:27 PM EDT
Let's see, 250 lb / 2 people = 125 lb.
Or 500 lb, 4 people = same

In the magazine, I think it was around 60 lb per projectile.

Standing guard during civil unrest = 0 rounds, couldn't even get an empty mag.
Link Posted: 11/13/2001 7:00:29 PM EDT
When the uss cole got hit we in went in with each man carrying 6 mags loaded two bandaleers 160 rounds each for the m-16 and carried each two Saw drums thats everybody except for saw gunners they carried 6 drums each.
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