How heavy is your m1a/m14 "fully loaded/ready to go"?

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - How heavy is your m1a/m14 "fully loaded/ready to go"?

Posted: 6/30/2010 3:07:34 PM EDT

so, when the zombies hit the fan, how heavy is the rifle you carry out into the field? All toys included. How heavy is too heavy and whats acceptable?

Mine weights just shy of 14Lbs, m1a scout with rds, bipod, flashlight and 20rd mag pouch, what do you think?

Posted: 6/30/2010 3:14:08 PM EDT

[#1]

Sounds like a crew served weapon.

Posted: 6/30/2010 3:15:03 PM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
so, when the zombies hit the fan, how heavy is the rifle you carry out into the field?
All toys included. How heavy is too heavy and whats acceptable?

Mine weights just shy of 14Lbs, m1a scout with rds, bipod, flashlight and 20rd mag pouch, what do you think?

About 12 pounds as pictured fully loaded and ready to go with 25 rounds of TAP on tap.

Posted: 6/30/2010 3:20:22 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
so, when the zombies hit the fan, how heavy is the rifle you carry out into the field? All toys included. How heavy is too heavy and whats acceptable?

Mine weights just shy of 14Lbs, m1a scout with rds, bipod, flashlight and 20rd mag pouch, what do you think?

Quoted:
Sounds like a crew served weapon.

+1 huhuhu

that thing needs to mounted to you're pov

Posted: 6/30/2010 3:27:31 PM EDT

[#4]

11.2 pounds including the USGI sling, USGI cleaning kit and a full twenty round magazine: http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/civilian/P1010028.jpg

Posted: 6/30/2010 3:30:51 PM EDT

[#5]

he must have one of those new stocks mounted on his rifle, that are so damn heavy(I forget their names currently)

Posted: 6/30/2010 3:50:47 PM EDT

[#6]

I sold mine because it was too heavy to be practical in a SHTF situation. Very nice piece of equipment, but with scope, bipod, sling and 20rds >15lbs.

Posted: 6/30/2010 3:52:01 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
so, when the zombies hit the fan, how heavy is the rifle you carry out into the field? All toys included. How heavy is too heavy and whats acceptable?

Mine weights just shy of 14Lbs, m1a scout with rds, bipod, flashlight and 20rd mag pouch, what do you think?

Dump the flashlight,bipod,and mag pouch. Carry spare ammo on a belt. And really what kind of stock do you have? I mean If I'm going "Out in the field" and have to hump all I need for an extended stay. I'm shaving weight any way I can. Course I'm kind of a minamalist. For Y2K I had an extra roll of toilet paper 1 30 round mag in the AR. And a list of every yuppie in the hood who stocked up

Posted: 6/30/2010 5:54:13 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
so, when the zombies hit the fan, how heavy is the rifle you carry out into the field? All toys included. How heavy is too heavy and whats acceptable?

Mine weights just shy of 14Lbs, m1a scout with rds, bipod, flashlight and 20rd mag pouch, what do you think?

Dump the flashlight,bipod,and mag pouch. Carry spare ammo on a belt. And really what kind of stock do you have? I mean If I'm going "Out in the field" and have to hump all I need for an extended stay. I'm shaving weight any way I can. Course I'm kind of a minamalist. For Y2K I had an extra roll of toilet paper 1 30 round mag in the AR. And a list of every yuppie in the hood who stocked up

+1 There is a time and place for everything. No need to carry crap just because you are too lazy to remove it till the need gets greater to use the item. Stow the bells and whistle in the day pack and unless you have a scope, practice without a pod.

Posted: 6/30/2010 7:16:41 PM EDT

[#9]

I have the stock fiberglass stock, realistcally i'd probably just carry it with the RDS and bipod, everything else can get stored. Mag poutch is just for show. Flashlight could get added as needed. Im sure if i used a modern lightweight stock i could save some, but was wondering where you guys were at and whats acceptable for a combat battle rifle.

Posted: 6/30/2010 9:24:59 PM EDT

[#10]

I thought it would be too heavy to use in a combat situation, but after running a 3 gun with it, I feel differently.

Posted: 6/30/2010 11:59:25 PM EDT

[#11]

I've humped an M60 and ammo in the bush. If you can't carry an M14, you're a fucking pussy.

Posted: 7/1/2010 3:05:21 AM EDT

[#12]

I would say 11 pounds. Maybe 12 is a good max weight target. My hat's off to anybody who humped an M60 and ammo in the bush. I have noticed though that that job seems to usually fall to the bigger men

......Me they would just look at and say. "We need a carbine over here"

Posted: 7/1/2010 3:10:15 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
11.2 pounds including the USGI sling, USGI cleaning kit and a full twenty round magazine: http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/civilian/P1010028.jpg

I went back to something like this from a sage w/optic and bipod. The sage was a nice stock but heavy and allowed me to hang too much crap on it.

Posted: 7/1/2010 6:56:49 AM EDT

[#14]

The last time I weighed my m14 with a full 20rd magazine, it came out to just over 10 pounds. The configuration is pretty much stock: 22" barrel, iron sights, USGI birch stock, and a USGI nylon sling. No optics, no bipod, no rails, no lights. I used my bathroom scale though, so who knows how accurate the reading was.

Posted: 7/1/2010 8:13:23 AM EDT

[#15]

13.5 lbs with no ammo or scope (appearnlty thats on BO)
15+ with everything would be a safe bet to say but i still love my M1A

Posted: 7/1/2010 9:30:33 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
The last time I weighed my m14 with a full 20rd magazine, it came out to just over 10 pounds. The configuration is pretty much stock: 22" barrel, iron sights, USGI birch stock, and a USGI nylon sling. No optics, no bipod, no rails, no lights. I used my bathroom scale though, so who knows how accurate the reading was.

The USGI cleaning kit weighs about 10 ounces, give or take. I go back and forth about keeping it in my Grab-n-Go rifle. If I took it out, my rifle would weigh 10.5 pounds. HTH

Posted: 7/2/2010 5:26:59 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
I've humped an M60 and ammo in the bush. If you can't carry an M14, you're a fucking pussy.

Dad, is that you? Have a happy 4th ya born-again-hard ole b@stard! and call me one of these days

Posted: 7/2/2010 5:56:16 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
I've humped an M60 and ammo in the bush. If you can't carry an M14, you're a fucking pussy.

Haul that old school M60 and ammo up a mountain in Afghanistan at 18-20,000 feet and report back for your Kotex.

Posted: 7/2/2010 9:11:40 AM EDT

[#19]

There have been multiple attempts to try and get lightwieght components built for the M14 but they all tend to run into the m-14 community as a brick wall. The guys on M14tfl are great guys and everything but I just truly wish that they would stop implying LOUDLY that anyone that wants a non-hernia inducing rifle is a faggot.

Which is what it all the arguments boil down to, go post anything about "Hey can this part be made out of aluminum/Titanium/Carbon Fiber" and you will get 100 posts gaurunteed telling you that you need to do more pushups and that real men can handle the m14 just fine.

Posted: 7/2/2010 9:19:52 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

The guys on M14tfl are great guys and everything but I just truly wish that they would
stop implying LOUDLY that anyone that wants a non-hernia inducing rifle is a faggot.

M14tfl

The M14 needs a little weight, if it's lightened too much people
would complaint about increased recoil and less controlability.

Balance is key and I like mine a little nose heavy.

Posted: 7/2/2010 9:25:17 AM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:

The guys on M14tfl are great guys and everything but I just truly wish that they would
stop implying LOUDLY that anyone that wants a non-hernia inducing rifle is a faggot.

M14tfl

The M14 needs a little weight, if it's lightened too much people
would complaint about increased recoil and less controlability.

Balance is key and I like mine a little nose heavy.

I would be more amenable to your conclusion if it were based on some sort of product that actually exists. However until I see a 7 pound m1a (which is WELL within the realm of reason) I don't think you can state that conclusively

Posted: 7/2/2010 10:00:19 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

... I see a 7 pound m1a (which is WELL within the realm of reason)...

Not my #1 source of valid information, but wiki shows 11.5 lb for a bare bones USGI M14.

How much of the weight is made up by the complete barreled action... everything, but the wooden stock complete with cleaning kit?

In other words... how much does the complete barreled action weigh?

Maybe Different can confirm a true weight.

I will state that an ultralight stock that does not require bedding is very possible, but it would
take a large initial order of something like 500 units to get a company to produce a winner
that satisfies/exceeds mission requirements as well as being cost effective.

The chosen manufacturing company could recoup some of their up front costs by wholesaling the
new stock to existing or new distributors who in turn retail to the general public at a fair mark-up.

H2O MAN

Posted: 7/2/2010 10:25:28 AM EDT

[#23]

The complete barrelled action could stand to lose some weight as well.

As far as the ultralight stock, there was a guy in GD who worked for a composites shop that said it would be relativeily elementary to make a good CF stock. When he came to this forum (at my urging) to try and get some initial orders he was run out of here on a goddamn rail.

He was looking to get 100 or so interested parties before starting it up.

Posted: 7/2/2010 10:42:06 AM EDT

[#24]

If I recall correctly from the Collector's Grade M14 book, Ordnance made one with a shortened and turned down barrel with lots of aluminum parts. I can't remember how much it weighed though. I'll try to post it tonight.

How much does the SCAR H weigh?

Sometimes I wonder how many of the "more pushups" crowd are fatties who only carry their rifles to and from their house, vehicle and range.

Ounces equal pounds and pounds equal pain.

Posted: 7/2/2010 12:19:59 PM EDT

[#25]

Mine comes in around 12# w/ scope, bipod, their is nothing wrong with a lighter rifle I had had a STG58 that was lighter and my Panther LR308 was light to compared to the M1A but I love the look and reliability so I just work with it my plan is to get a Scout Squad later on

Posted: 7/2/2010 3:00:16 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:

The guys on M14tfl are great guys and everything but I just truly wish that they would
stop implying LOUDLY that anyone that wants a non-hernia inducing rifle is a faggot.

M14tfl

The M14 needs a little weight, if it's lightened too much people
would complaint about increased recoil and less controlability.

Balance is key and I like mine a little nose heavy.

I would be more amenable to your conclusion if it were based on some sort of product that actually exists. However until I see a 7 pound m1a (which is WELL within the realm of reason) I don't think you can state that conclusively[/quote

Hell, I remember my AR10 didn't weigh 7lbs. Hard to get a two pound rifle to sling 7.62 and not beat you up, a little weight is good, and I'm not a big guy.

Posted: 7/2/2010 6:34:16 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I've humped an M60 and ammo in the bush. If you can't carry an M14, you're a fucking pussy.

Haul that old school M60 and ammo up a mountain in Afghanistan at 18-20,000 feet and report back for your Kotex.

You do the mission you're handed. I was prepared to carry it anywhere they sent me with it. I kicked that pigs ass, it didn't kick mine. If you call yourself a soldier and can't handle an M14 you're a pussy.

Posted: 7/2/2010 7:09:09 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
If I recall correctly from the Collector's Grade M14 book, Ordnance made one with a shortened and turned down barrel with lots of aluminum parts. I can't remember how much it weighed though. I'll try to post it tonight.

It's on page 193 of U.S. Rifle M14: from John Garand to the M21. It says the "Rifle, Lightweight, Cal. 30, T44E6" weighed 7.4 pounds.

Quoted:

Quoted:
I've humped an M60 and ammo in the bush. If you can't carry an M14, you're a fucking pussy.

Haul that old school M60 and ammo up a mountain in Afghanistan at 18-20,000 feet and report back for your Kotex.

You do the mission you're handed. I was prepared to carry it anywhere they sent me with it. I kicked that pigs ass, it didn't kick mine. If you call yourself a soldier and can't handle an M14 you're a pussy.

Sounds like we should have just stayed with the M1919A6 then

Posted: 7/2/2010 8:39:52 PM EDT

[#29]

Hes got a point, and i thank him for his service. even my decked out m1a isnt THAT heavy. Stripped, not bad at all.

Posted: 7/3/2010 5:13:39 AM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:

... a 7 pound m1a (which is WELL within the realm of reason)

How in the hell do you does anyone envision a 7 pound M1A when the complete barreled action is over 6 pounds???

The complete barreled action of my M21A5 RRM is 6 pounds 6.2 ounces.

Ft Livingroom weigh-in specifications:

22" standard weight barrel
DC Vortex
GLFS-H-22
NM spring guide
Trigger group
Hand guard
Breech shield

The M21A5 RRM weighs 10 pounds 15.4 ounces as pictured below... no cleaning kit.

Fully loaded and ready to go the weight of this M21A5 RRM with 20 rounds is identical to my MK14 SEI CL with 25 rounds.

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Posted: 7/3/2010 6:31:40 AM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I've humped an M60 and ammo in the bush. If you can't carry an M14, you're a fucking pussy.

Haul that old school M60 and ammo up a mountain in Afghanistan at 18-20,000 feet and report back for your Kotex.

You do the mission you're handed. I was prepared to carry it anywhere they sent me with it. I kicked that pigs ass, it didn't kick mine. If you call yourself a soldier and can't handle an M14 you're a pussy.

Brilliant post. Yea, you tell them. Different situation totally. In the military your right, you get handed missions and gear and make do with both. His question is about a civilian rifle operating from Ft Livingroom and he has a choice of toting a light lean weapon or adding crap to it till he needs a cart to pull it. Get your head out of your ass because thinking like yours is why the military is so slow to adapt and change gear. If you like lugging heavy crap around when you have a choice of reducing the load by all means keep on doing so. I am sure the guy toting your tripod and T&E would have let you prove just how much you could carry....same with the rest of the squad and the ammo and spare barrel that they carried for you. You did not mind spreading the load with them............but hey, you got a war story now. Submit your DD214 and come over to the military discussion forum and spread more know how.
Two kinds of Soldier.....one with 20 years of experience and one with 20 years of 1 years experience.

Posted: 7/3/2010 7:45:39 AM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

How in the hell do you does anyone envision a 7 pound M1A when the complete barreled action is over 6 pounds???

The complete barreled action of my M21A5 RRM is 6 pounds 6.2 ounces.

You'd have to lighten the upper (barrel length and profile and other things like Ordnance did), and you still wouldn't get to 7 pounds. Ordnance bottomed out at 7.4 pounds with the T44E6, but that was with a wood stock.

Posted: 7/3/2010 7:51:41 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:

How in the hell do you does anyone envision a 7 pound M1A when the complete barreled action is over 6 pounds???

The complete barreled action of my M21A5 RRM is 6 pounds 6.2 ounces.

You'd have to lighten the upper (barrel length and profile and other things like Ordnance did), and you still wouldn't get to 7 pounds. Ordnance bottomed out at 7.4 pounds with the T44E6, but that was with a wood stock.

T44E6:

The reduction in weight of the rifle was accompanied by a loss of accuracy, velocity, function and
endurance performance; an increase in flash and recoil; and a lower cook-off point for full auto fire.

The receiver on the T44E6 was lighter and didn't have any provision for a scope mount.

No thank you!

Posted: 7/3/2010 7:59:19 AM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

I've humped an M60 and ammo in the bush. If you can't carry an M14, you're a fucking pussy.

Or just more interested in carrying something other than gun weight and heavy ammo.

Posted: 7/3/2010 10:53:42 AM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:

T44E6:

The reduction in weight of the rifle was accompanied by a loss of accuracy, velocity, function and
endurance performance; an increase in flash and recoil; and a lower cook-off point for full auto fire.

The receiver on the T44E6 was lighter and didn't have any provision for a scope mount.

No thank you!

LOL Me neither! But it is possible to get down to 7.4 pounds. The T44E6 was basically an M14 with an 18" pencil barrel that looked like it would bend very easily. They also shaved some weight off the receiver, and replaced a bunch of minor steel parts (e.g. the stripper guide) with aluminum ones.

I think the SCAR H is about 8 pounds. That's as light as I'd want to go in a 7.62x51 rifle.

Posted: 7/3/2010 3:25:16 PM EDT

[#36]

Speaking of weight.

Buck naked, the complete 20.0" SCAR-H rifle weighs about
2 pounds more than my barreled action described above.

If an affordable two pound modernized M14 stock that needs no bedding
hits the market the MK17 will no longer be cost effective, it will be retired.

Posted: 7/7/2010 10:55:10 AM EDT

[#37]

Polly M14s with walnut stock and GI parts with full mag 11 Lbs 5.5 Oz

Posted: 7/17/2010 7:34:19 AM EDT

[#38]

It isn't the weight. It is if the shooter can shoot it, is what counts. Far too often people seem to care more about their set up than they do their shooting. It shows. Ever wonder why people don't post 10 shot groups? Ever see 5 shot groups that looked like it was shot from a shotgun? Then there is always immediate ass kissing congratulating the poster's groups. I bite my tongue a lot. People should concern themselves with quality range time a little more than arguing about weight, or whatever else the argument might be that given day.

Posted: 7/18/2010 1:54:08 PM EDT

[#39]

Mine with it's usgi barrel in a usgi fiberglass with mag is about 11lbs. It's not heavy at all to me. I'd have to agree with the M14TFL group. Anyone who can't handle that and a mag loadout is obviously a faggot, pillow biting queer or a women in mans clothing.

Posted: 7/18/2010 2:11:16 PM EDT

[#40]

67 lbs. loaded with 20 rounds.

Like most strippers... she is a little front heavy.

Posted: 7/20/2010 3:30:42 PM EDT

[#41]

when the undead hit the fan, I won't be lugging the M1A around when out side the fortress.

Lets see now, Rifle and scope, one 25 round magazine inserted weighs north of 14 pounds
webgear, holding 8 20 round mags, three bandoleers with 60 round each weighs in at close to 35 pounds
BOB, a CamelBak HAWG, loaded, with the bladder filled, comes in at about 28 pounds.
1911-A1, holster and 6 extra mags, Randall #14 knife, and my new hand made, 25 inch blade, damascus steel Langsax adds about 17 more pounds.
Add in my svelte 235 pounds, and that makes the total somewhere around 330 pounds.

No eff'en way :)

Posted: 7/20/2010 5:41:09 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:

http://www.athenswater.com/images/H2Os-MK14SEICHMod0.jpg

67 lbs. loaded with 20 rounds.

Like most strippers... she is a little front heavy.

Your joking.....right?

Posted: 7/20/2010 10:20:32 PM EDT

[#43]

Well, why wouldnt you carry a bare bones m1a or maybe something with a simple RDS and Bipod when the undead come a walkin?

Posted: 7/21/2010 4:40:39 AM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
when the undead hit the fan, I won't be lugging the M1A around [b]when out side the fortress.[/b]

Lets see now, Rifle and scope, one 25 round magazine inserted weighs north of 14 pounds
webgear, holding 8 20 round mags, three bandoleers with 60 round each weighs in at close to 35 pounds
BOB, a CamelBak HAWG, loaded, with the bladder filled, comes in at about 28 pounds.
1911-A1, holster and 6 extra mags, Randall #14 knife, and my new hand made, 25 inch blade, damascus steel Langsax adds about 17 more pounds.
Add in my svelte 235 pounds, and that makes the total somewhere around 330 pounds.

No eff'en way :)

With all that gear, are you ever really outside the fortress?