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Posted: 9/20/2005 9:03:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/23/2005 5:17:16 PM EDT by Mike_Mills]
Does any US manufacturer make something roughly equivalent to the Spanish FR-8 rifle?

What I am after is a handy, relatively light weight, relatively inexpensive, rugged BUT RELIABLE AND ACCURATE bolt action carbine that fires a powereful cartridge, preferably a 308 Winchester. Good quality adjustable sights are a bonus. The ability to mount an Aimpoint is another bonus.

I suppose it would also help just to know where I can get an FR-8 cheaply.

No, I am not after an AR-15. The cartridge is too wimpy, the cost is too high, and we cannot buy new ones out here in California.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 9:36:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2005 9:37:16 PM EDT by Currahee]
You might want to check this out

I don't have one but something like it is on my list

Link Posted: 9/20/2005 9:51:16 PM EDT
What about a Mosin M38 or M44?
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 4:35:15 AM EDT
Check out Steyr Scout rifles. Very handy, compact, and in .308...
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:14:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mike_Mills:


I suppose it would also help just to know where I can get an FR-8 cheaply.


All the surplus FR-8's seem to have dried up, If you can FIND one, expect to pay in the neighborhood of $300.00+,-
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:17:10 AM EDT
I have a Gibbs No.7. It's a nice rifle. I think it's a toss-up between it and the FR8...I had an FR8 and foolishly sold it.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:27:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/21/2005 7:28:18 AM EDT by Cheesebeast]
Savage Arms may make a model that fits the bill (www.savagearms.com). Make sure you get one with the Accutrigger. It got rid of the only serious fly in the ointment when it comes to Savage bolt guns.

Good luck.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 8:23:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Currahee:
You might want to check this out

I don't have one but something like it is on my list




OOH yeah, had a freind who had a jungle carbine back in the 80's. Fun gun.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 8:28:51 AM EDT
Ruger is making a new rifle in .308 that has a forward scope mount (scout). I saw it in Guns and Ammo, It received a good review.


Link Posted: 9/22/2005 12:40:20 AM EDT
Not too great on the lightweight part, but an Ishapore Enfield is a great 038 rifle.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 12:54:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 12:58:10 AM EDT
Model 7?
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 9:42:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/22/2005 9:45:38 AM EDT by Mike_Mills]
Yes, the Gibbs No. 7 is a "bobbed" 308 Ishapore Enfield. I cannot find any for sale, even Gibbs is sold out.

I saw a very nice Ishapore Enfield rifle for $185. It would be a fun project but would cost too much to do. For example, I have no way to turn the barrel. Paying to have this done would cost $100 all by itself. Where does one get the front sight and flash hider assembly?

I can do all the wood work.

Anyone know how effective the scope mounts are for these rifles?
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 9:47:07 AM EDT
The RUger is a very nice rifle. It only holds four rounds and, consequently, is not set up to use stripper clips. They also do not spec the weight, but laminated stocks are heavy!
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 11:15:46 AM EDT
The NRA TV is supposed to review a JC on the 10-01-05 show. They did ok on the T33 and the Nagant Revolver last week.

Dennis Jenkins


Originally Posted By postpostban:

Originally Posted By Currahee:
You might want to check this out

I don't have one but something like it is on my list




OOH yeah, had a freind who had a jungle carbine back in the 80's. Fun gun.

Link Posted: 9/22/2005 11:22:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Currahee:
You might want to check this out

I don't have one but something like it is on my list




Might be nice if the guy actually had any for sale. Everything is soldout or no longer available.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 11:37:17 AM EDT
i vote for the mosins, tons of possibility there....someone bought mine before I was finished with it, but i still have a fr8.


Next bet would be either a savage or stevens rifle cut down to 18" or so and sights added. Them stevens rifles are like under 200 wholesale.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 7:46:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By Currahee:
You might want to check this out

I don't have one but something like it is on my list




Might be nice if the guy actually had any for sale. Everything is soldout or no longer available.



I was hoping someone would know wether or not he was ever going to make them again.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 10:40:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Currahee:

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By Currahee:
You might want to check this out

I don't have one but something like it is on my list




Might be nice if the guy actually had any for sale. Everything is soldout or no longer available.



I was hoping someone would know wether or not he was ever going to make them again.



They do look good.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 11:38:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 6:57:56 AM EDT
Whats wrong with a Marlin or Winchester lever action in .30-30? They are light. They have a larger capacity magazine than most bolt guns. Ammo is plentiful and reasonably priced. The .30-30 will kill any man or game you are likley to encounter. If it's not enough for you get one in .444 Marlin or .45-70. You can buy after market scout mounts for them as well.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 7:50:51 AM EDT
Honestly, probably nothing is wrong. I had it in my head to get a bolt action. I will start looking at a lever actions but I think I still want a bolt action.

One thing is I want the rifle in a common caliber (for me) - 308. I don't believe anyone makes a 308 lever rifle and I don't want another new caliber.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 7:53:36 AM EDT
Tweak,

Got any photos of your rifle that you can show us?

How does that rail mount to the action?
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 8:53:09 AM EDT
This might be the thing...anyone seen these?

tristar arms
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 11:09:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Currahee:
This might be the thing...anyone seen these?

tristar arms



I like! But no prices
Wonder who sell's 'em the dealer lookup isn't working for me.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 11:16:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mike_Mills:
Honestly, probably nothing is wrong. I had it in my head to get a bolt action. I will start looking at a lever actions but I think I still want a bolt action.

One thing is I want the rifle in a common caliber (for me) - 308. I don't believe anyone makes a 308 lever rifle and I don't want another new caliber.



I think Browning still makes a lever action .308, 4 round mag loaded.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 1:59:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By Currahee:
This might be the thing...anyone seen these?

tristar arms



I like! But no prices
Wonder who sell's 'em the dealer lookup isn't working for me.



I did a little leg work on this today. Tristar arms does not import them anymore (they come from Australia) Sabre Defense is going to be the new importer. I e-mailed them and it will be a while befor they get any (no time was mentione) but the idea of a good bolt carbine is apealing. I'm gonna start saving, now all I have to do is decide .308 or 7.62x39.

Link Posted: 9/23/2005 5:16:41 PM EDT
The only reservation I have is that the rifle has to be accurate.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 5:33:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Currahee:

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By Currahee:
This might be the thing...anyone seen these?

tristar arms



I like! But no prices
Wonder who sell's 'em the dealer lookup isn't working for me.



I did a little leg work on this today. Tristar arms does not import them anymore (they come from Australia) Sabre Defense is going to be the new importer. I e-mailed them and it will be a while befor they get any (no time was mentione) but the idea of a good bolt carbine is apealing. I'm gonna start saving, now all I have to do is decide .308 or 7.62x39.




I would say stick with .308, .30-06, .303 or 8mm or 7.62x54R. the 7.62x39mm cartridge is really a compromise cartridge, really doesn't shine past 250 yards. Lots of NATO surplus in .308, but quality ammo is still made in all these calibers (not necessarily cheap). .308 or .30-06 would be my first choice.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 6:20:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By Currahee:

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By Currahee:
You might want to check this out

I don't have one but something like it is on my list




Might be nice if the guy actually had any for sale. Everything is soldout or no longer available.



I was hoping someone would know wether or not he was ever going to make them again.



They do look good.



You must like recoil!!!!!!

I bought a 308 Enfield Jungle Carbine for $75 off a friend awhile back (3, 4 years ago or more) and then gave it away free to another friend.

Standing unsupported it wasn't too bad but bench and prone it was aweful! Ouch!!!
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 10:16:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/23/2005 10:18:13 PM EDT by Mike_Mills]
Personally, I am not that affected by recoil. Some others are.

I can load 308 down using 125 gr hunting bullets and they are a much more mild shooting cartridge. I can load it up with inexpensive 147 FMJBT's. I can load full power hunting loads with premium bullets.

30-06 is overkill in a carbine. All those imported, military surplus calibers turn me off like a switch. No, thanks.

I'll stick with 308 (possibly 6.5/308 or even 243 Winchester because I can load that and brass & bullets will always be available). But good old 308 is my first choice.


P.S. - the Steyr rifle is out of the question due to price.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 1:30:36 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 12:00:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/24/2005 12:02:34 PM EDT by Mike_Mills]
Has anyone here ever made a carbine out of an Enfield rifle or even a Remington? How did it work out? I suppose it could be a fun project, even if it's not economically realistic.


CONSIDER THIS

Would it be better to get a Remington 700 action, add a 10 round box magazine conversion kit and a carbine stock? There would be lots of sight and rail options for this and plenty of gunsmiths around tooled up and experienced to do the work.

Remington 700 barreled action (308 caliber).
Barrel trimmed to 16.25", threaded muzzle
M1A front sight/flash hider assembly with a bayonet lug (!!!)
Box magazine conversion kit

Need input on these features:

rear iron sight
scope base (rail) - manufacturer and type (barrel mount or receiver mount
stock - manufacturer, material (wood/composite), style



Here's another thought. Would it be better to start with one of those fantastically accurate Swedish Mausers in 6.5X55 caliber or convert it to 6.5-308 or even 308?

I ask this because it's fairly clear to me that once you start this the cost goes waaay up unless you can do all the metalwork yourself (I cannot).
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 7:50:32 PM EDT
Who sells military surplus rifles? Where can I go to get an FR-8 or a Mauser?
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 8:20:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mike_Mills:
Who sells military surplus rifles? Where can I go to get an FR-8 or a Mauser?



FR8s show up on gun broker ever so often. I imagine mausers do as well.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 10:13:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/29/2005 10:13:22 PM EDT by Mike_Mills]
I thought these were available by the thousands. There is only one FR-8 on GunBroker and it is in pieces. Sarco has a few Mausers. Any other palces so I can comparison shop?
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 10:15:18 PM EDT
I have an FR-8, and I don't think it is as handy as you think it is. The dang thing is a boat anchor, and I can't get myself to sporterize it, even though I know it ain't worth Jack.

I need to finish my last project involving it, the 20 rd mag extensions for the 98 fit on it, and wil function with .308 with a few mods.

Link Posted: 9/29/2005 10:33:39 PM EDT
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