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Posted: 12/12/2001 5:53:53 PM EDT
Would anybody out there in AR-15 cyberland be able to enlighten me a bit about the HK G3 semi auto rifle?

I'm interested in adding a G3 or equivalent to my collection. I have been chasing my tail around the Internet for hours searching for info and site to purchase one. I checked Shotgun News too...but it led to some dead ends.

I did find some info on parts to build one...but nothing much else.

I understand the G3 and its clones were/are good rifles in .308 cal.

Anyone want to throw some free advice my way?


Link Posted: 12/12/2001 6:01:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/12/2001 5:54:26 PM EDT by Canada]

*sniff* *sniff*
I always wanted a G3/HK91, but alas they banned it in my country and now I am stuck buying a SIG PE90.

I still would rather have a G3 though.
Link Posted: 12/12/2001 6:12:36 PM EDT
Dude...many thanks. I owe you a Blue for that one!
Link Posted: 12/12/2001 6:32:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/12/2001 6:27:07 PM EDT by Canada]
No problem, just hope some people with experience with the rifle help you out.
Link Posted: 12/12/2001 7:12:56 PM EDT
I have a 91 that I absolutely love.I don't know how many rounds were put through it before I owned it. But, in the 1000 or so rounds that I've put thru it, I've had 1 failure. And that was caused by a bent feed lip on the mag.

It's definitely a heavy rifle, and unless you buy the G3 Heavy buffer, the recoil will be obvious. But it's fun as hell to shoot.

The mags are cheap. I picked up a bunch from AIMSurplus for $8 each. Parts are readily available, though not cheap.

If you decide to go with a clone, go with one made by FMP.

I think I'm gonna go fondle my 91 now
Link Posted: 12/12/2001 8:15:23 PM EDT
I too, love my HK-91, but you may not.

It is not a dressy rifle, or one with a lot of hand crafting.

Compared to other 308's, the 91 is not smooth shooting rifle.

It unlocks and locks with authority. It must be cocked by allowing the bolt seat with full force. It does not have a forward assist.

It has a short stock, no gas system, and a trigger that is not for the weak.

It is a working man's rifle. Full of ugly welds, and the disposition of a mule.

It's a large caliber rifle in a small feeling frame.

It has two dangerous ends, the muzzle and the ejection port.

The rifle has a muzzle climb rate almost second to none.

It leaves flute marks and dented case mouths on the spent brass, if you can find them.

AND because of these things, I love the gun!!!!
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 3:39:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2001 3:35:59 AM EDT by drfcolt]
Here's mine.

With a few upgrades:
- they dress up quite nicely
- port-buffer gets rid of the case denting
- PSG1 trigger is quite nice
- PSG1 stock leaves little recoil
- barrel-stabalizer helps accuracy alot

- HK-91 (IB date code)
- Viking-70 saddle drum
- Swarovski ZFM 10x42T scope
- PSG1 stock
- PSG1 trigger-group in fake SEF clipped/pinned grip-frame
- PSG1 pistol-grip
- claw scope mount with rings and inserts
- Knights RAS
- Harris LM bipod
- paddle mag release
- 1200 meter sight
- carry handle
- port buffer
- barrel stabilizer
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 5:17:20 AM EDT
I have been the proud owner of an HK91 for 23 years. It is not for sale. It always works, except on CAVIM ammo. It is clunky and has poor ergonomics, but it's a great rifle, particularly because it always works.

Did I mention that it always works?
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 7:30:14 AM EDT
Clunky...heavy...deadly! Exactly what I'm looking for. And a WW III Beta C mag too?!
Where do I get one?


more drool...

Always works? I like that.

We're coming for YOU Osama!
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 7:37:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/13/2001 9:48:40 AM EDT by drfcolt]
Yea, and all you need is a registered sear-pack to make it rock-and-roll.

Already has a full-auto bolt. Unlike the AR-15, your allowed to have one in a semi-auto HK.

Barrel-stabalizer is also reported to make the barrel-flip less in full-auto, plus it weighs 25lbs unloaded. Probably another 10 pounds with 70 .308 rounds on board.

Sort of like an drum-fed M-60/HK-21 without the detachable barrel. But who needs the belt-loading overhead and barrel swapping in a purely recreational setting?

Plus you have semi-auto capability for showing off at the non-NFA allowed ranges.

Lot cheaper and more versatile than the M-60, just NOT an M-60, though.

Looks just as good, though (if that counts):
--------My HK: albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=258760&a=10577068&p=56095335
--------M60: autoweapons.com/photos/m60.jpg
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 11:47:58 AM EDT
Hey DFR,

How do you like the RAS on yours? I'm thinking of getting one for mine.
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 11:52:27 AM EDT
HK-91 RAS not only looks good, but gives the barrel alot of ventilation (see my last photo). There's about a quarter-inch of open space completely around the barrel and cocking-tube.

Also, from what I understand, it is free-floated.
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 11:57:08 AM EDT
If you are looking for a GOOD clone, look for a Greek (Hellenic Arms?) Springfield Armory SAR8 import. They are virtually the equal to the German gun, but are quite a bit cheaper. I recently bought one for ~$1,000 in pristine (as in no box, but unfired) condition. Excellent shooter.

Do not confuse this gun with the newer SAR8 using the aluminum receivers.
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 12:13:33 PM EDT
Here's mine, a post ban called an SR9T, PSGI trigger group and grip, MSG90 Butt, poly barrel and 1/2" groups at 100 yards, with hits on steel out to 800 yards:

Link Posted: 12/13/2001 12:24:31 PM EDT
Great family of rifles. I own an FMP made G3 and I love it. BTW, I see FMP being recommended quite a bit as an alternative to a real HKG3 when the real thing can't be had/afforded. Why is this? I paid quite a bit for mine, and if I got taken, well, I'll chalk it up to a learning experience (I bought it when I first started getting into rifles several years ago). What would a NIB FMP G3 fetch in today's market? Just curious. Thanks.

Link Posted: 12/13/2001 7:47:46 PM EDT
While I've always heard great things about the G3, I've never heard much praise for the CETME, the G3's predecessor. Has anyone tried both and do you agree with this? Certainly from a price perspective the CETME is an el cheapo, but most people rave about the AK despite its cheapness.
Link Posted: 12/13/2001 10:13:24 PM EDT
The CETME remakes from what ive heard are shit on the most part
Link Posted: 12/14/2001 5:41:53 AM EDT
CETME remakes are hit and miss, like all those "Frankengun" FALs and HKs out there. I got an original made-in-Spain "CETME Sport" recently and it rocks like a real HK.
Link Posted: 12/15/2001 9:37:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SP10:
If you are looking for a GOOD clone, look for a Greek (Hellenic Arms?) Springfield Armory SAR8 import. They are virtually the equal to the German gun, but are quite a bit cheaper. I recently bought one for ~$1,000 in pristine (as in no box, but unfired) condition. Excellent shooter.

Do not confuse this gun with the newer SAR8 using the aluminum receivers.

What SP10 said. Forget the "G3" clones out there.
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