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Posted: 9/21/2005 12:28:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/21/2005 12:32:02 AM EDT by SIG_220]
Is the PTR capable of better than 2moa? I think so as my rifle has done so every time I have shot it. I am basically being called a liar: http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=391914&page=1&#-1

If you agree with me please chime in or start a poll as I have no idea how to do so .
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 12:51:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SIG_220:
Is the PTR capable of better than 2moa? I think so as my rifle has done so every time I have shot it. I am basically being called a liar: http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=391914&page=1&#-1

If you agree with me please chime in or start a poll as I have no idea how to do so .


Link Posted: 9/21/2005 1:14:08 AM EDT
I suppose so. I'm just tired of being called a liar. I know I'm right and I figured other PTR owners may chime in as well. If I knew how to start a poll I would have just done so without referencing the thread.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 5:01:43 AM EDT
I have a new PTR91, and I know darn well that I get two inch and better groups at one hundred yards. I shoot here on my range up to three hundred yards and I know it is a fine weapon. Just because these people can't shoot, does'nt mean we all can't shoot. In fact, I would say if it would'nt shoot at least two inch groups with surplus ammo, I would not want the rifle. Before I get flamed for this, I just have to say I have a lot of military and civilian experience with rifles in general and I'm on the range three to four times a week. By the way, I expect those groups with open sights.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 1:01:51 PM EDT
I woundnt be surprized if that scoped rifle held under 1moa at a 100 w/ some 155gr SMK palma bullets.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 5:02:29 PM EDT
My PTR is set up with a B&T mount, Larue rings, luepold 3.5-10X40 Mark 4 PR, Bill srpingfield trigger job, GSG1 stock with a heavy buffer and HK21 buttpad. It shoots 1 inch off of a bench at 100 with Port surplus. I have not tried anthing better yet. I am waiting to get the new JLD forearm that lets you customize the rail positions.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:01:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/23/2005 10:44:39 AM EDT by cobrasks]
SIG_220 ,
Proving your point is meaningless.
All that matters is if YOU know you can hit what you want to with it
dependably with your set up.

Some arguments you can't win.
I think you know what I think.


The NRA rates the PTR-91 KP (short barreled folding stock variant)
OFFICIALLY as a 2 MOA rifle.
I do not know their official rating of the standard PTR-91 ,
but that same report stated that the expected the full length
rifles to shoot even better.
(I'm not sure if this is the report mentioned below)

Go to the JLD PTR homepage ,and click on their link to
one of their articles on the PTR.
This article is from the NRA, not JLD.

Also ,about the PTR barrels.
JLD purchased the equipment to make hammer forged barrels with the
special polygonal bore that was an extra for HK-91 imports.
After their first run ,they found the chambers didn't work well for
surplus military ammo.They tested it on Match and civilian ammo only.

As a result they started over and made their own barrel.
It has a different number of flutes,thicker demension ,
and it's my understanding it is NOT hammer forged.

I can't remember what the other method is called ,
button ground ?
At any rate ,it's generally considered more accurate.

Hammer forged process-length of steel with a hole in it is heated
and a center piece is inserted.The machinery hammers it to
the form,then the form is removed.
That's how HK's barrels are made.

Button ? (other method) -The riflings and complete bore are
ground/cut from a solid piece.

Both have their advantages ,but many believe the second method
produces more accurate barrels.

I'm sure someone will come along any minute to point out the
error of my ways.
It's the Arfcom way.

The gereal consensus among PTR owners,is the full length shoots
around 1.5 MOA ,and the Kurtz around 2 MOA.
A trigger job tends to improve this quite a bit for most.

I wouldn't care about what others think,your confidence in your own weapon
is far more important than what others think.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:28:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cobrasks:
SIG_220 ,
Proving your point is meaningless.
All that matters is if YOU know you can hit what you want to with it
dependably with your set up.

Some arguments you can't win.
I think you know what I think.


The NRA rates the HK-91 KP (short barreled folding stock variant)
OFFICIALLY as a 2 MOA rifle.
I do not know their official rating of the standard PTR-91 ,
but that same report stated that the expected the full length
rifles to shoot even better.
(I'm not sure if this is the report mentioned below)

Go to the JLD PTR homepage ,and click on their link to
one of their articles on the PTR.
This article is from the NRA, not JLD.

Also ,about the PTR barrels.
JLD purchased the equipment to make hammer forged barrels with the
special polygonal bore that was an extra for HK-91 imports.
After their first run ,they found the chambers didn't work well for
surplus military ammo.They tested it on Match and civilian ammo only.

As a result they started over and made their own barrel.
It has a different number of flutes,thicker demension ,
and it's my understanding it is NOT hammer forged.

I can't remember what the other method is called ,
button ground ?
At any rate ,it's generally considered more accurate.

Hammer forged process-length of steel with a hole in it is heated
and a center piece is inserted.The machinery hammers it to
the form,then the form is removed.
That's how HK's barrels are made.

Button ? (other method) -The riflings and complete bore are
ground/cut from a solid piece.

Both have their advantages ,but many believe the second method
produces more accurate barrels.

I'm sure someone will come along any minute to point out the
error of my ways.
It's the Arfcom way.

The gereal consensus among PTR owners,is the full length shoots
around 1.5 MOA ,and the Kurtz around 2 MOA.
A trigger job tends to improve this quite a bit for most.

I wouldn't care about what others think,your confidence in your own weapon
is far more important than what others think.



AMEN!
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 7:52:25 PM EDT
I know what you mean. It's just the implication that I am lying that bothers me.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 10:34:39 AM EDT
So prove them wrong and post some targets.

Link Posted: 9/23/2005 11:44:26 AM EDT
I did post a target. It is the only target I kept from the last trip to the range. It's not a big deal. I don't care anymore.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 2:25:45 PM EDT
I think it would help if you knew SteyrAug's back ground with the PTR. He got in on the ground level when the PTR first hit the street. He promptly got his ass handed to him when he proclaimed how good they were and they turned out to have a lot of problems.

However, in all fairness, there are always exceptions and even a broken clock is correct twice a day.
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 10:25:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/23/2005 10:29:41 PM EDT by SIG_220]
There were problems with the chambers being to tight in the first batch, but the issue was addressed.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 8:53:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SIG_220:
There were problems with the chambers being to tight in the first batch, but the issue was addressed.



Yes I know. SteyrAug still hasn't gotten over the hurt feelings either.

Link Posted: 9/24/2005 10:37:33 AM EDT
Personally I have shot 1" groups at 100 yards with mine, Port ammo. Good surplus ammo and a trigger job are key for a PTR's accuracy.

Bill
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