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Posted: 6/18/2014 10:31:25 AM EDT
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What were the errors? What did the letter say?
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Posted: 6/18/2014 10:32:36 AM EDT
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No, make the corrections and send it back in and then call the examiner in a few weeks to let him know you resubmitted the info. They will probably get you fixed up. Call them today and see if it's something you can handle over the phone/email. Sometimes it works.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 10:44:02 AM EDT
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You do need to respond by the date on your error letter to keep your spot in line - so try to take care of it ASAP.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 10:44:11 AM EDT
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2 errors:
1. The place of birth on the fingerprint card should be the state and not "US." 2. The person who signed the form 4 (a manager at the gun shop) was not authorized to sign according to the ATF. Could these issues be sorted out with a phone call? |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 10:53:52 AM EDT
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2 errors: 1. The place of birth on the fingerprint card should be the state and not "US." 2. The person who signed the form 4 (a manager at the gun shop) was not authorized to sign according to the ATF. Could these issues be sorted out with a phone call? I would say no unless the manager was in fact ok to authorize it. He will have to get involved if he is and contact the examiner. probably new fingerprint card. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 11:41:02 AM EDT
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I just spoke to the gun shop. They said the person who signed is no longer working for them which is probably why it caused the error. So for future reference, make sure the person signing will be employed at that location until you are approved. BS in my opinion.
The error letter states corrections can be made by crossing out mistakes and initiating and dating the new information. So no new forms will be needed...hopefully. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:40:39 PM EDT
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I do believe the person signing must be CEO, President, Owner, etc. of the company that owns the shop, i.e., the FFL holder, not Manager, Salesperson, Personal Assistant, Mail Clerk, Janitor, etc. That's what is usually meant under "Official "under "Title of Authorized Official".
MHO, YMMV, etc. Good luck! |
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Posted: 6/19/2014 5:16:11 AM EDT
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Had similar happen with my first Form1...
Sent in the corrected form and got approved right away... I too had thoughts of having to wait another few months, but it didn't happen. Good luck! p |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 11:01:06 AM EDT
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I called the ATF examiner and she was able to change the POB over the phone. The guy at the gun shop said I should get the stamp back in about two weeks after he sends the form 4 back with the correct signature. Looks like catastrophe averted.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 11:16:49 AM EDT
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I called the ATF examiner and she was able to change the POB over the phone. The guy at the gun shop said I should get the stamp back in about two weeks after he sends the form 4 back with the correct signature. Looks like catastrophe averted. Unless the gun shop employee is a CLEO(Sheriff, Chief of Police, etc.) or other authorized person (judge, etc.) they cannot sign your Form 4 and it will be rejected again. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 11:20:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless the gun shop employee is a CLEO(Sheriff, Chief of Police, etc.) or other authorized person (judge, etc.) they cannot sign your Form 4 and it will be rejected again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I called the ATF examiner and she was able to change the POB over the phone. The guy at the gun shop said I should get the stamp back in about two weeks after he sends the form 4 back with the correct signature. Looks like catastrophe averted. Unless the gun shop employee is a CLEO(Sheriff, Chief of Police, etc.) or other authorized person (judge, etc.) they cannot sign your Form 4 and it will be rejected again. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 11:29:05 AM EDT
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A SOT or an approved individual working for it can sign the Form 4... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I called the ATF examiner and she was able to change the POB over the phone. The guy at the gun shop said I should get the stamp back in about two weeks after he sends the form 4 back with the correct signature. Looks like catastrophe averted. Unless the gun shop employee is a CLEO(Sheriff, Chief of Police, etc.) or other authorized person (judge, etc.) they cannot sign your Form 4 and it will be rejected again. Do you have a link for that? I just don't see the SOT signing for it being possible as if that were the case why would anyone ever do anything but that and take the risk of them not signing? According to this FAQ that is not the case. Who Is This CLEO Anyway?
The Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) Who Signs The Form 4 Can Be Any Of The Following People: Sheriff Chief Of Police Head Of State Police Agency District Attorney A Judge With The Power Of Arrest Any Other Law Enforcement Officer Approved For This Procedure By The National Firearms Act Branch Of The BATF. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 11:35:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have a link for that? I just don't see the SOT signing for it being possible as if that were the case why would anyone ever do anything but that and take the risk of them not signing? According to this FAQ that is not the case. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I called the ATF examiner and she was able to change the POB over the phone. The guy at the gun shop said I should get the stamp back in about two weeks after he sends the form 4 back with the correct signature. Looks like catastrophe averted. Unless the gun shop employee is a CLEO(Sheriff, Chief of Police, etc.) or other authorized person (judge, etc.) they cannot sign your Form 4 and it will be rejected again. Do you have a link for that? I just don't see the SOT signing for it being possible as if that were the case why would anyone ever do anything but that and take the risk of them not signing? According to this FAQ that is not the case. Who Is This CLEO Anyway? The Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) Who Signs The Form 4 Can Be Any Of The Following People: Sheriff Chief Of Police Head Of State Police Agency District Attorney A Judge With The Power Of Arrest Any Other Law Enforcement Officer Approved For This Procedure By The National Firearms Act Branch Of The BATF. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 12:41:14 PM EDT
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<snip> I believe we're referencing two different signature areas of the Form 4. The form was disapproved for the transferors signature, not the CLEO... That could very well be. I guess I figured it was the CLEO signature since it wasn't specified. My bad. |
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Posted: 6/20/2014 4:03:58 PM EDT
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That could very well be. I guess I figured it was the CLEO signature since it wasn't specified. My bad. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<snip> I believe we're referencing two different signature areas of the Form 4. The form was disapproved for the transferors signature, not the CLEO... That could very well be. I guess I figured it was the CLEO signature since it wasn't specified. My bad. Correct. The transforer's signature was the issue. Not the CLEO signature. |
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