Sorry if im late to this news, but form 1's and form 4's are no longer available online.  I went to print some off today and was informed that I must request them from ATF.  Pain in the arse and bound to cost more tax money.  Thanks ATF.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5320-1.pdf

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5320-4.pdf



EDIT To correct Forms

Thats odd.......if you go to the ATF website, the forms are no longer listed.  Obviously the link you have still works.

Yeah, they took them off a few weeks ago.  I am glad some people still have the links.

Download and keep handy.  Pretty silly spending money to distribute something that is east to make available for free.

When these go away - use cached Google links
E: Typo

Why were they taken down in the first place?

My guess would be the varying papers that people are printing on, if the forms are coming from a single source, the weight and archival nature of the paper would be consistent.  I print mine on a heavier bond than normal and use a laser printer.

Yep.  Unfortunately it'll only work until the ATF decides to change the forms again.

Those are both for 1's. Here is form 4:

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5320-4.pdf

Will

My guess is they are preparing to remove the CLEO signature section.

Remove the law enforcement sign off...?  I hope they do.  its A. none of their business and B. redundant to what the ATF and NFA are already looking at and for.

If ATF removes it, the new proposed requirement will have you sending a copy of every form 1/4 you submit to the CLEO.  This is whether you're applying as an individual, trust, or corporation.  I'd rather have the CLEO sig still on there since I don't think the CLEO has any business knowing what guns I have.

They will already know once you send your 1/4 to them for a sig.  I wouldnt be supprised if they make a copy and keep it for themselves.

I think he was refering to using a Trust

None of my forms have a CLEO sig on them...  Thus, they have no clue.

Removing the signature requirement isn't only going to impact individual transfers.  It'll also impact trusts and corps.

How so?  You mean a new requirement to notify a CLEO even when using a LLC or Trust?

Honestly, it is a better option than what current way of doing things. I am not concerned about "the man" deploying black helicopters or gun grabbers because he found out that I am applying to make or procure a legal firearm. I am more concerned (FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE) about the number of people, who have 0 clue about the rights and responsibilities associaed with using a trust forming trusts that either may not be valid or which they use improperly. Easing the individual application process would prevent that problem- since there would be less incentive to use a questionable trust. And, if you do use a trust or corp (for whatever reason) you likewise, shouldn't have any fear of "the man" comeing for yo because you did something LEGAL. You have to worry when you are doing something wrong/ illegal. And, if your just concerned about the general privacy implication–– remember, this is a gun that already has a lenthy paper trail and is registered to you at the FEDERAL LEVEL. If you absolutely that intolerant to paper trails, you can stick to buying muzzle loaders and pre-1899s from other private parties until congress significantlly reduces the GCA and NFA.  

I have absolutely NO concern about notifying my CLEO that I want to buy or build an NFA item. They will find out anyways (under most circumstances if it is being procured
My local CLEO and the Department of Public Safety are informed every time I buy ANY gun (more or less)- with my info, the sellers info, and the gun's info. The State Police/ DPS has advance notice since they also handle the NICS checks AND they also handle the annual state MG registration letters as well. This is the same Police Chief and Department of Public safety that handle pistol permit issuances/revocations/renewals.

Making individual ownership easier, without actually putting any new roadblocks to corporate/ entity ownership is a great thing.

Yep.  That's what ATF has proposed and what NFATCA is pushing for.




Actually, in most states, they won't find out.  The majority of states do not use a state based NICS system, require notification to CLEO for any guns purchased, have MG registration, or require pistol permits.

There are plenty of jurisdictions where the CLEO is against NFA ownership.  It's well known that they won't sign.  In some places, they can be openly hostile to NFA owners.  They don't need a file of people in their jurisdiction that own NFA items just as they don't need a file of people in their jurisdiction that own Title I firearms.

The confidentially of corporate/trust ownership of NFA is one reason people go that route.  By forcing a potential applicant to forward their forms to the CLEO, it completely removes that aspect and is absolutely a roadblock to some people's ownership.

Whats the number to call for a form1?

Why not use the PDFs several people linked above?

If you want to wait, order them from the ATF Distribution Center here:

http://www.atf.gov/forms/dcof/

If its true that the cleo sig will no longer be required it would be easier, I'm suspecting b.s. on this without proof.

If your CLEO will not sign off on a form 1 or 4 id be contacting an attorney.  THey have no legal justification for doing such and are violating the 2nd amendment.  As for the trust route........I would argue that it is supperior to individual.  The trust is way more subject to being disolved via legistlation than people like to admit.....it just doesnt have the protections.

The ATF took down the forms to revamp the website.  Apparently they are going to start taking applications for forms 1 and 4 electronically. I don't quite know how that's gonna work with the CLEO sign off or whatnot.  Its in their 2011 newletter and is in pdf format.  I'm posting from my phone so just posted a link to the google search. Or you can just search ATF February 2011 newsletter. Its on the second page of the pdf on the left side. Heres the link.


ATF newsletter 2011 PDF

That's still a year out.  The FED isn't dumb enough to take the forms down for a year without another system in place.

I'm pretty sure that they're only going to take electronic form 2's and form 3's from FFL/SOTs and maybe 5320.20's from non-licensees, as those are the forms that they currently accept by fax.   There's no CLEO signature required on any of those forms, so the form can go straight to the ATF, and there's no tax stamp, so it can be done electronically with the sender printing out a PDF if they want a paper copy.

It would be nice if they took online submission for F1's and F4's for those who have a Trust/LLC/Corp, along with online payment and be and be able to upload forms for proof of entity.

That would be good.



Expensive, but good



 

They might as well. It's not like they don't know that all of these Trusts and LLCs are just individuals looking to get around needing the CLEO anyway.