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Posted: 11/15/2014 1:49:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/19/2014 11:54:16 PM EST by kramden]
Form 1 to make SBR approved by Ted

Thank you BigWaylon for all your help in resolving this matter.








Message from ATF

Incomplete form, Model incorrect. Please check firearm receiver or barrel for correct designation.

As stated on form

4a Spikes Tatical Apopka, FL USA

4b Short Barrel Rifle

4c 7.62 mm    (would it be beter to put 30 cal)?  i've read not to put multi

4d AR-15 (I think this is my error)  (should it be MOD-ST15)

4e 8

4f  27

I saw in another post to email Ted.clutter@atf.gov and explain my error to help it through.


It's a Spikes lower built from ground up

Description on lower magwell left side

SBR - xxxxx  (serial number)                        
CAL - MULTI
MOD - ST15

Name above trigger left side

SPIKE'S TACTICAL
APOPKA, FL
U.S.A.

Thx all

I would attach pic but photobucket sux, keeps locking up, is there a better way?
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 2:00:35 PM EST
Yeah, I think 4d is your problem. I just did my first one with a spikes lower and i put the ST15 or whatever it was. I haven't gotten my back yet, should be next week, so I would wait for a couple more responses to make sure I'm not feeding you bad info.
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 2:05:58 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 2:08:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By osprey21:
4d ~ MOD - ST15
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Thx guys

btw you post here much? lol  Damn
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 2:37:01 PM EST
Seems that the NFA branch has been cracking down on the usage of the generic "AR-15" lately. They want specific model names.

My first SBR lower was a DDXV, but on the lower it said M4 Carbine, and I used AR15 with no problems.

Link Posted: 11/15/2014 2:48:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/15/2014 2:48:59 PM EST by BigWaylon]
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Originally Posted By osprey21:
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My approved eForm for the same type of lower has ST15. Just making sure you were implying to put MOD-ST15 in that field.

Curious what OP used for SN?

Saw somebody post up on another forum where they got disapproved for putting SBR-#####. Research assistant tried to say SBR was a label like MOD or CAL. Ended up having somebody from Spike's to call them to straighten it out, but form was already Disapproved after user sent a pic. Had to resubmit. Ridiculous.
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 3:05:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/15/2014 3:07:49 PM EST by Starcraftmlg]
Whatever the serial is engraved on the lower, that's what you put! Like my m&p15 lower. It has "SR          1xxxx". So I got confused since there's such a big gap inbetween the letter and numbers, I went ahead and put the letters on the form anyways.


Yes your model is wrong. Whatever is engraved on the lower, that's your model. Like mine, it says "Model M&P-15". So I put M&P-15
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 7:17:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:

My approved eForm for the same type of lower has ST15. Just making sure you were implying to put MOD-ST15 in that field.

Curious what OP used for SN?

Saw somebody post up on another forum where they got disapproved for putting SBR-#####. Research assistant tried to say SBR was a label like MOD or CAL. Ended up having somebody from Spike's to call them to straighten it out, but form was already Disapproved after user sent a pic. Had to resubmit. Ridiculous.
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By osprey21:
4d ~ MOD - ST15

My approved eForm for the same type of lower has ST15. Just making sure you were implying to put MOD-ST15 in that field.

Curious what OP used for SN?

Saw somebody post up on another forum where they got disapproved for putting SBR-#####. Research assistant tried to say SBR was a label like MOD or CAL. Ended up having somebody from Spike's to call them to straighten it out, but form was already Disapproved after user sent a pic. Had to resubmit. Ridiculous.



SN, I just put the 5 numbers  Not sbr
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 7:42:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By kramden:
SN, I just put the 5 numbers  Not sbr
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The SBR is part of the serial number. Spikes will confirm that. They have some lowers that start with SAR...the SBR lowers having no relation to Short Barreled Rifle. That's now my eF1 was approved.

Surprised they didn't kick it back. The inconsistency is ridiculous.
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 10:09:12 PM EST
If you refile with correct model and serial number, email Ted Clutter with the old control number/serial number and new control/serial chances are he'll fix you right up.

You'll have an extra $200 floating around out there on your card, but they will refund it and it will get approved riki-tik.

My Experience
Link Posted: 11/15/2014 10:24:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By osprey21:
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This might not get approved. MOD is abbreviation for model. The actual model is just ST15

I had a paper form one approved, but MOD was lined out. I also believe someone here had one rejects for it.
Link Posted: 11/16/2014 12:37:58 AM EST
I'll put ST15 and hope it works, lol

I put cal as 7.62mm, is that good or should I just put 30?
Link Posted: 11/16/2014 8:01:12 AM EST
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Originally Posted By kramden:
I'll put ST15 and hope it works, lol

I put cal as 7.62mm, is that good or should I just put 30?
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Doesn't matter.

7.62 and choose millimeter, or 30 and choose caliber.
Link Posted: 11/16/2014 4:31:25 PM EST
Thx. Sending off tonight. And will email todd
Link Posted: 11/19/2014 11:56:16 PM EST
APPROVED by Ted

Got email at 10:10 pm tonight

Hell heah
Link Posted: 11/20/2014 7:35:18 AM EST
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Originally Posted By kramden:
APPROVED by Ted

Got email at 10:10 pm tonight

Hell heah
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Congrats. Curious, though...on your approved form.

Did you use "ST-15" for model?
And did you include SBR as part of the serial number (as it should be)?
Link Posted: 11/20/2014 10:40:56 AM EST
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:


Congrats. Curious, though...on your approved form.

Did you use "ST-15" for model?
And did you include SBR as part of the serial number (as it should be)?
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By kramden:
APPROVED by Ted

Got email at 10:10 pm tonight

Hell heah


Congrats. Curious, though...on your approved form.

Did you use "ST-15" for model?
And did you include SBR as part of the serial number (as it should be)?



Just ST15
and just number NO sbr
Link Posted: 11/20/2014 11:01:42 AM EST
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Originally Posted By kramden:
Just ST15
and just number NO sbr
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I'm glad you have an approved form, but Spikes will tell you that SN (without the prefix) doesn't exist. I'll send you a link to a similar thread.
Link Posted: 11/20/2014 1:39:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:

I'm glad you have an approved form, but Spikes will tell you that SN (without the prefix) doesn't exist. I'll send you a link to a similar thread.
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By kramden:
Just ST15
and just number NO sbr

I'm glad you have an approved form, but Spikes will tell you that SN (without the prefix) doesn't exist. I'll send you a link to a similar thread.


^^^this. SBR for Spikes is Spikes Battle Rifle which is part of the serial number. Seems like they recycle the numbers by changing the 3 letter prefix...SAR, SBR, US, and soforth.
Link Posted: 11/20/2014 6:37:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By artimus009:


^^^this. SBR for Spikes is Spikes Battle Rifle which is part of the serial number. Seems like they recycle the numbers by changing the 3 letter prefix...SAR, SBR, US, and soforth.
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Originally Posted By artimus009:
Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By kramden:
Just ST15
and just number NO sbr

I'm glad you have an approved form, but Spikes will tell you that SN (without the prefix) doesn't exist. I'll send you a link to a similar thread.


^^^this. SBR for Spikes is Spikes Battle Rifle which is part of the serial number. Seems like they recycle the numbers by changing the 3 letter prefix...SAR, SBR, US, and soforth.



Glad mine is SBR cause it looks better and to me its Short barrel rifle, lol
Link Posted: 11/20/2014 6:58:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2014 7:01:04 PM EST by BigWaylon]
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Originally Posted By kramden:
Glad mine is SBR cause it looks better and to me its Short barrel rifle, lol
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** puts tin foil hat on **

My concern is that you have an SBR with one serial number, and a stamped F1 with a different serial number. You technically don't have an approved form for the firearm you built. If somebody called in the serial number engraved on the firearm, the ATF would say no approved form existed.  That's a 10-year/$250K problem.

** takes tin foil hat off **

The SBR lowers were initially planned for actual SBRs, but the market wanted more stripped lowers than complete Short Barreled Rifles. So, SBR kinda became Spike's Battle Rifle instead.
Link Posted: 11/20/2014 8:17:55 PM EST
I'll email Ted and ask him
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