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Posted: 11/15/2014 1:49:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/19/2014 11:54:16 PM EST by kramden]
Form 1 to make SBR approved by Ted
Thank you BigWaylon for all your help in resolving this matter. Message from ATF Incomplete form, Model incorrect. Please check firearm receiver or barrel for correct designation. As stated on form 4a Spikes Tatical Apopka, FL USA 4b Short Barrel Rifle 4c 7.62 mm (would it be beter to put 30 cal)? i've read not to put multi 4d AR-15 (I think this is my error) (should it be MOD-ST15) 4e 8 4f 27 I saw in another post to email Ted.clutter@atf.gov and explain my error to help it through. It's a Spikes lower built from ground up Description on lower magwell left side SBR - xxxxx (serial number) CAL - MULTI MOD - ST15 Name above trigger left side SPIKE'S TACTICAL APOPKA, FL U.S.A. Thx all I would attach pic but photobucket sux, keeps locking up, is there a better way? |
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Yeah, I think 4d is your problem. I just did my first one with a spikes lower and i put the ST15 or whatever it was. I haven't gotten my back yet, should be next week, so I would wait for a couple more responses to make sure I'm not feeding you bad info.
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4d ~ MOD - ST15
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Seems that the NFA branch has been cracking down on the usage of the generic "AR-15" lately. They want specific model names.
My first SBR lower was a DDXV, but on the lower it said M4 Carbine, and I used AR15 with no problems. |
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Originally Posted By NotApproved:
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Originally Posted By osprey21:
4d ~ MOD - ST15 View Quote My approved eForm for the same type of lower has ST15. Just making sure you were implying to put MOD-ST15 in that field. Curious what OP used for SN? Saw somebody post up on another forum where they got disapproved for putting SBR-#####. Research assistant tried to say SBR was a label like MOD or CAL. Ended up having somebody from Spike's to call them to straighten it out, but form was already Disapproved after user sent a pic. Had to resubmit. Ridiculous. |
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Whatever the serial is engraved on the lower, that's what you put! Like my m&p15 lower. It has "SR 1xxxx". So I got confused since there's such a big gap inbetween the letter and numbers, I went ahead and put the letters on the form anyways.
Yes your model is wrong. Whatever is engraved on the lower, that's your model. Like mine, it says "Model M&P-15". So I put M&P-15 |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
My approved eForm for the same type of lower has ST15. Just making sure you were implying to put MOD-ST15 in that field. Curious what OP used for SN? Saw somebody post up on another forum where they got disapproved for putting SBR-#####. Research assistant tried to say SBR was a label like MOD or CAL. Ended up having somebody from Spike's to call them to straighten it out, but form was already Disapproved after user sent a pic. Had to resubmit. Ridiculous. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By osprey21:
4d ~ MOD - ST15 My approved eForm for the same type of lower has ST15. Just making sure you were implying to put MOD-ST15 in that field. Curious what OP used for SN? Saw somebody post up on another forum where they got disapproved for putting SBR-#####. Research assistant tried to say SBR was a label like MOD or CAL. Ended up having somebody from Spike's to call them to straighten it out, but form was already Disapproved after user sent a pic. Had to resubmit. Ridiculous. SN, I just put the 5 numbers Not sbr |
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Originally Posted By kramden:
SN, I just put the 5 numbers Not sbr View Quote The SBR is part of the serial number. Spikes will confirm that. They have some lowers that start with SAR...the SBR lowers having no relation to Short Barreled Rifle. That's now my eF1 was approved. Surprised they didn't kick it back. The inconsistency is ridiculous. |
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If you refile with correct model and serial number, email Ted Clutter with the old control number/serial number and new control/serial chances are he'll fix you right up.
You'll have an extra $200 floating around out there on your card, but they will refund it and it will get approved riki-tik. My Experience |
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It's like putting on crampons and walking through a room full of puppies.
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I'll put ST15 and hope it works, lol
I put cal as 7.62mm, is that good or should I just put 30? |
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Thx. Sending off tonight. And will email todd
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APPROVED by Ted
Got email at 10:10 pm tonight Hell heah |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Congrats. Curious, though...on your approved form. Did you use "ST-15" for model? And did you include SBR as part of the serial number (as it should be)? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By kramden:
APPROVED by Ted Got email at 10:10 pm tonight Hell heah Congrats. Curious, though...on your approved form. Did you use "ST-15" for model? And did you include SBR as part of the serial number (as it should be)? Just ST15 and just number NO sbr |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
I'm glad you have an approved form, but Spikes will tell you that SN (without the prefix) doesn't exist. I'll send you a link to a similar thread. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By kramden:
Just ST15 and just number NO sbr I'm glad you have an approved form, but Spikes will tell you that SN (without the prefix) doesn't exist. I'll send you a link to a similar thread. ^^^this. SBR for Spikes is Spikes Battle Rifle which is part of the serial number. Seems like they recycle the numbers by changing the 3 letter prefix...SAR, SBR, US, and soforth. |
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If it's on the Internet, it's true. Just ask Abraham Lincoln.
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Originally Posted By artimus009:
^^^this. SBR for Spikes is Spikes Battle Rifle which is part of the serial number. Seems like they recycle the numbers by changing the 3 letter prefix...SAR, SBR, US, and soforth. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By artimus009:
Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By kramden:
Just ST15 and just number NO sbr I'm glad you have an approved form, but Spikes will tell you that SN (without the prefix) doesn't exist. I'll send you a link to a similar thread. ^^^this. SBR for Spikes is Spikes Battle Rifle which is part of the serial number. Seems like they recycle the numbers by changing the 3 letter prefix...SAR, SBR, US, and soforth. Glad mine is SBR cause it looks better and to me its Short barrel rifle, lol |
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Originally Posted By kramden:
Glad mine is SBR cause it looks better and to me its Short barrel rifle, lol View Quote ** puts tin foil hat on ** My concern is that you have an SBR with one serial number, and a stamped F1 with a different serial number. You technically don't have an approved form for the firearm you built. If somebody called in the serial number engraved on the firearm, the ATF would say no approved form existed. That's a 10-year/$250K problem. ** takes tin foil hat off ** The SBR lowers were initially planned for actual SBRs, but the market wanted more stripped lowers than complete Short Barreled Rifles. So, SBR kinda became Spike's Battle Rifle instead. |
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I'll email Ted and ask him
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