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Posted: 12/2/2010 3:52:18 AM EDT
Had a gent in the facility this week that was lamenting can/off can/on impact repeatability.
So, for grins, I drug out some of mine and ran five different cans on one 16" OBR, without changing / touching the scope. 
For your own edification, the grand aggregate of the five (5) different groups shot from the same OBR 7.62, but with five (5) separate (but same LaRue model) cans average .818, but in our defense, my guy was shootin' fast as we were running out of daylight. YMMV. ML ETA - Oh, and one of them was a titanium version of the same model of can. Guess which one that was. |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 4:09:10 AM EDT
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Now, that is very impressive.
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Posted: 12/2/2010 4:11:18 AM EDT
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Second from the top?
Sandstorm? |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 4:13:11 AM EDT
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Great results. Any way you could let us know what cans they were? :-)
What do you mean by "without changing the scope", between groups or a rezero from unsuppressed? It's cool that all the cans grouped and shifted about the same but it would be nice to have seen an unsupressed group to to see what the supressed shift was. Or are you saying that these groups represent no shift from zero from unsupressed? If so, that's impressive as all my guns shift a few inches when suppressed. |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 4:15:05 AM EDT
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distance of shot?
Makes of cans? Larue used 5 of the different models of suppressors that he is building to do a repeatability test. When do you sell your suppressors to the public? 
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Posted: 12/2/2010 4:34:41 AM EDT
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They are all LaRue cans.
Maybe "different " was the wrong word, since they were made here, they are all identical for all tense and purposes. Same model, though one of them was a titanium version. My point is to show it can work and does work ... not trying to wrestle LT into the suppressor bidness. |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 4:37:14 AM EDT
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They are all LaRue cans. Same model, though one of them was a titanium version. My point is to show it can work ... not trying to wrestle LT into the suppressor bidness. Wait, I was trying to pull your leg. You have actually created 5 different cans? I MUST HAVE! Details man, you cant just throw that out. I know you have built at least 1, but thought that was a passing interest in light of silencer talk and AAC.... |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 4:40:02 AM EDT
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Great results. Any way you could let us know what cans they were? :-) What do you mean by "without changing the scope", between groups or a rezero from unsuppressed? It's cool that all the cans grouped and shifted about the same but it would be nice to have seen an unsupressed group to to see what the supressed shift was. Or are you saying that these groups represent no shift from zero from unsupressed? If so, that's impressive as all my guns shift a few inches when suppressed. I didn't care what the unsuppressed shift was, that wasn't the point, but I'll have a group shot today without the can, for more edification. |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 4:44:12 AM EDT
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They are all LaRue cans. Same model, though one of them was a titanium version. My point is to show it can work ... not trying to wrestle LT into the suppressor bidness. Wait, I was trying to pull your leg. You have actually created 5 different cans? I MUST HAVE! Details man, you cant just throw that out. I know you have built at least 1, but thought that was a passing interest in light of silencer talk and AAC.... No, I have created just one suppressor model to date, but made a run of a few of them. What you see is five of our Model 1s we'll call them, all shooting groups from the same rifle ... .. an exaggeration of can/off, can/on repeatability. As in not only do they not shift from the last time you put them on, it doesn't matter if you grab / borrow your buddies can, it'll still stack 'em. |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 6:25:28 AM EDT
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PICS!!!
So when can we own one Mark? I've heard snippets and whispers about you building a suppressor, just never seen it. Maybe should held off on my Halo..... |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 6:51:05 AM EDT
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There is an OBR in my future..
It's great that Larue is working on offering a complete system - Hella accurate rifle, adjustable gas block, bulletproof magazine, BOMB proof mounts, and soon: a suppressor! How much do you think the suppressor will weigh and what will the mounting method be? |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 7:44:15 AM EDT
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will you be producing and selling these suppressors?
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Posted: 12/2/2010 9:05:26 AM EDT
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They are all LaRue cans. Same model, though one of them was a titanium version. My point is to show it can work ... not trying to wrestle LT into the suppressor bidness. Wait, I was trying to pull your leg. You have actually created 5 different cans? I MUST HAVE! Details man, you cant just throw that out. I know you have built at least 1, but thought that was a passing interest in light of silencer talk and AAC.... No, I have created just one suppressor model to date, but made a run of a few of them. What you see is five of our Model 1s we'll call them, all shooting groups from the same rifle ... .. an exaggeration of can/off, can/on repeatability. As in not only do they not shift from the last time you put them on, it doesn't matter if you grab / borrow your buddies can, it'll still stack 'em. Not an attack - Five of the same model would produce the same shift in impact due to the same design and specs of manufacture (I presume). I would love to see a poi shift with 5 different types of cans.... Pics of cans? 
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Posted: 12/2/2010 9:16:17 AM EDT
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They are all LaRue cans. Same model, though one of them was a titanium version. My point is to show it can work ... not trying to wrestle LT into the suppressor bidness. Wait, I was trying to pull your leg. You have actually created 5 different cans? I MUST HAVE! Details man, you cant just throw that out. I know you have built at least 1, but thought that was a passing interest in light of silencer talk and AAC.... No, I have created just one suppressor model to date, but made a run of a few of them. What you see is five of our Model 1s we'll call them, all shooting groups from the same rifle ... .. an exaggeration of can/off, can/on repeatability. As in not only do they not shift from the last time you put them on, it doesn't matter if you grab / borrow your buddies can, it'll still stack 'em. Not an attack - Five of the same model would produce the same shift in impact due to the same design and specs of manufacture (I presume). I would love to see a poi shift with 5 different types of cans.... Pics of cans? Is that so ? I know it's true with mine, prove it with something other than mine. |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 10:07:31 AM EDT
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They are all LaRue cans. Same model, though one of them was a titanium version. My point is to show it can work ... not trying to wrestle LT into the suppressor bidness. Wait, I was trying to pull your leg. You have actually created 5 different cans? I MUST HAVE! Details man, you cant just throw that out. I know you have built at least 1, but thought that was a passing interest in light of silencer talk and AAC.... No, I have created just one suppressor model to date, but made a run of a few of them. What you see is five of our Model 1s we'll call them, all shooting groups from the same rifle ... .. an exaggeration of can/off, can/on repeatability. As in not only do they not shift from the last time you put them on, it doesn't matter if you grab / borrow your buddies can, it'll still stack 'em. Not an attack - Five of the same model would produce the same shift in impact due to the same design and specs of manufacture (I presume). I would love to see a poi shift with 5 different types of cans.... Pics of cans? Is that so ? I know it's true with mine, prove it with something other than mine. Exactly what I was getting at. I first thought, wow all but one of those cans patterned almost the same - Your post about them being the same model makes sense. I would expect your cans to pattern the same on your rifles. If you put those same 5 on a different zeroed rifle, I would expect similar results. I dont have the experience to comment on what would happen with other manufacturers cans. I would still also love to see 5 different models of cans poi shift. Cheers. |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 10:09:23 AM EDT
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was the second target the TI version?
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Posted: 12/2/2010 11:26:17 AM EDT
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Mark - Just so you know, if you ever do decide to sell supressors I'm in. I believe supressor will just be another path in LT's business evolution!
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Posted: 12/2/2010 11:32:28 AM EDT
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PICS!!! So when can we own one Mark? I've heard snippets and whispers about you building a suppressor, just never seen it. Maybe should held off on my Halo..... This. ? |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 12:26:47 PM EDT
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Mark,
That is impressive. I, for one, am sick to death of all the compromises I must make in choosing a can––from mounts that back off, to the (over)weight of the can, to exorbitant prices, to non-repeatability, etc. that I have simply chosen not to buy one yet. I would, however, buy a rifle can in a minute that is less than 20 oz., uses an Inconel blast baffle, uses a QD system that is secure and repeatable from shot to shot and mounting to mounting, is comparable to the competition in db reduction, does not exceed $1100 including the mount, and is available without waiting for unknown periods after promise after promise it will be delivered and literally MONTHS after ordering it was still not delivered. Maybe all this is simply too tough to do, but if LT produced that can, I would buy at least one (likely more), and I'm sure you could sell as many as you could make. |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 1:29:35 PM EDT
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was the second target the TI version? No. 
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Posted: 12/2/2010 1:45:42 PM EDT
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They are all LaRue cans. Same model, though one of them was a titanium version. My point is to show it can work ... not trying to wrestle LT into the suppressor bidness. Wait, I was trying to pull your leg. You have actually created 5 different cans? I MUST HAVE! Details man, you cant just throw that out. I know you have built at least 1, but thought that was a passing interest in light of silencer talk and AAC.... No, I have created just one suppressor model to date, but made a run of a few of them. What you see is five of our Model 1s we'll call them, all shooting groups from the same rifle ... .. an exaggeration of can/off, can/on repeatability. As in not only do they not shift from the last time you put them on, it doesn't matter if you grab / borrow your buddies can, it'll still stack 'em. Not an attack - Five of the same model would produce the same shift in impact due to the same design and specs of manufacture (I presume). I would love to see a poi shift with 5 different types of cans.... Pics of cans? Is that so ? I know it's true with mine, prove it with something other than mine. Exactly what I was getting at. I first thought, wow all but one of those cans patterned almost the same - Your post about them being the same model makes sense. I would expect your cans to pattern the same on your rifles. If you put those same 5 on a different zeroed rifle, I would expect similar results. I dont have the experience to comment on what would happen with other manufacturers cans. I would still also love to see 5 different models of cans poi shift. Cheers. you're still missing the point. the fact that those 5 cans are machined so close to the blueprint speaks to why their POI shift is barely noticeable between them... what Mark is saying is to put 5 Brand X Model A cans on the same host rifle, and see if the POI shift would be anywhere near as close. the answer is "probably not". |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 1:46:33 PM EDT
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I want one!!!
Can we gat some pics of the mounts and the cans?? PLEASE |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 2:51:41 PM EDT
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My guess is that the 5th target is the Ti can.
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Posted: 12/2/2010 5:17:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: Lol, so why haven't you bought one yet?Mark, That is impressive. I, for one, am sick to death of all the compromises I must make in choosing a can––from mounts that back off, to the (over)weight of the can, to exorbitant prices, to non-repeatability, etc. that I have simply chosen not to buy one yet. I would, however, buy a rifle can in a minute that is less than 20 oz., uses an Inconel blast baffle, uses a QD system that is secure and repeatable from shot to shot and mounting to mounting, is comparable to the competition in db reduction, does not exceed $1100 including the mount, and is available without waiting for unknown periods after promise after promise it will be delivered and literally MONTHS after ordering it was still not delivered. Maybe all this is simply too tough to do, but if LT produced that can, I would buy at least one (likely more), and I'm sure you could sell as many as you could make. Hint- It's out there, but it ain't here. EDIT- typo |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 5:47:50 PM EDT
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Mark LaRue has been threatening to make cans for years, but you never see any...
Perhaps he will surprise everyone at Shot this year?
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Posted: 12/2/2010 5:56:35 PM EDT
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They are all LaRue cans. Same model, though one of them was a titanium version. My point is to show it can work ... not trying to wrestle LT into the suppressor bidness. Wait, I was trying to pull your leg. You have actually created 5 different cans? I MUST HAVE! Details man, you cant just throw that out. I know you have built at least 1, but thought that was a passing interest in light of silencer talk and AAC.... No, I have created just one suppressor model to date, but made a run of a few of them. What you see is five of our Model 1s we'll call them, all shooting groups from the same rifle ... .. an exaggeration of can/off, can/on repeatability. As in not only do they not shift from the last time you put them on, it doesn't matter if you grab / borrow your buddies can, it'll still stack 'em. Not an attack - Five of the same model would produce the same shift in impact due to the same design and specs of manufacture (I presume). I would love to see a poi shift with 5 different types of cans.... Pics of cans? Is that so ? I know it's true with mine, prove it with something other than mine. Buy me an OBR and 5 cans and I'd be glad to!
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Posted: 12/2/2010 6:58:47 PM EDT
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The reason why Mark doesn't make silencers is he knows he'll never be able to make them as quiet or light as models from AAC.
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Posted: 12/2/2010 7:10:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: The reason why Mark doesn't make silencers is he knows he'll never be able to make them as quiet or light as models from AAC. Oh. Shit.  |
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Posted: 12/2/2010 9:47:00 PM EDT
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Lol, so why haven't you bought one yet?
Mark, That is impressive. I, for one, am sick to death of all the compromises I must make in choosing a can––from mounts that back off, to the (over)weight of the can, to exorbitant prices, to non-repeatability, etc. that I have simply chosen not to buy one yet. I would, however, buy a rifle can in a minute that is less than 20 oz., uses an Inconel blast baffle, uses a QD system that is secure and repeatable from shot to shot and mounting to mounting, is comparable to the competition in db reduction, does not exceed $1100 including the mount, and is available without waiting for unknown periods after promise after promise it will be delivered and literally MONTHS after ordering it was still not delivered. Maybe all this is simply too tough to do, but if LT produced that can, I would buy at least one (likely more), and I'm sure you could sell as many as you could make. Hint- It's out there, but it ain't here. EDIT- typo What is it? |
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Posted: 12/3/2010 8:43:31 AM EDT
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The reason why Mark doesn't make silencers is he knows he'll never be able to make them as quiet or light as models from AAC. They be Hating!! |
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Posted: 12/3/2010 9:37:04 AM EDT
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Great results. Any way you could let us know what cans they were? :-) What do you mean by "without changing the scope", between groups or a rezero from unsuppressed? It's cool that all the cans grouped and shifted about the same but it would be nice to have seen an unsupressed group to to see what the supressed shift was. Or are you saying that these groups represent no shift from zero from unsupressed? If so, that's impressive as all my guns shift a few inches when suppressed. I didn't care what the unsuppressed shift was, that wasn't the point, but I'll have a group shot today without the can, for more edification. My man Zero'd at 100 without the can, then put the can on ... It then shot 1/4 to 1/2 minute left ... and 2.5 minutes low. Repeatedly, very repeatable, repeatablitltyly, whatever, y'all know what I mean, same place every time he put the can on. about 3/8" to left, and 2.5" low (3/4 mil) 
Bottom line, add 3/4 mil to your dope and let fly with confidence. 
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Posted: 12/3/2010 9:55:29 AM EDT
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Surefire has done similar demos. The targets I saw were shot with a 700P and a 556-212 can. All the same spot high and right, inside of a minute of unsuppressed POI. Of course there is a reason for that, all of their cans index identically, as they have the locating pin that mates with the adapter.
Mark, would definitely like to see details about your can. TI cans are hot... |
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Posted: 12/3/2010 11:31:40 AM EDT
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Well tell me this, when can we expect to hear more details on these? when they are expected to become available to everyone? etc. ?
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Posted: 12/3/2010 11:38:50 AM EDT
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Well tell me this, when can we expect to hear more details on these? when they are expected to become available to everyone? etc. ? My point was to show that cans can be built that give repeatable impact results ... 'cause even l'il ol' me has done it.
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Posted: 12/3/2010 11:48:33 AM EDT
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Well tell me this, when can we expect to hear more details on these? when they are expected to become available to everyone? etc. ? My point was to show that cans can be built that give repeatable impact results ... 'cause even l'il ol' me has done it. ahhh. Understood 
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Posted: 12/3/2010 4:56:06 PM EDT
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Mark, the OBR that I have access to shoots better than yours... Thank you!
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Posted: 12/3/2010 8:11:26 PM EDT
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Mark, the OBR that I have access to shoots better than yours... Thank you! http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x160/308sako/DSCN0002-1.jpg What does this picture have to do with the conversation?? Just patting yourself on the back?? |
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Posted: 12/3/2010 9:59:17 PM EDT
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Third target?
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Posted: 12/3/2010 10:34:20 PM EDT
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My dream, that an OBR be built that has such a short and stiff barrel that is so well attached that no matter what can I put on it, my zero POA/POI doesn't shift at all :-)
Because all my guns shift my can a different amount. The shorter the length, heavier the profile and more well made the barrels are seem to shift the least (still ~1MOA though). Harmonic something or other. I know you can do it. |
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Posted: 12/4/2010 2:04:34 AM EDT
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That OBR has to be a sweet rifle, with or without a can.
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Posted: 12/4/2010 5:07:30 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Mark, the OBR that I have access to shoots better than yours... Thank you! http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x160/308sako/DSCN0002-1.jpg What does this picture have to do with the conversation?? Just patting yourself on the back?? It's actually a private joke between Mark and myself regarding an offer I made at last years SHOT show. Perhaps he will reconsider? Mark to you. |
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Posted: 12/4/2010 5:36:04 AM EDT
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The reason why Mark doesn't make silencers is he knows he'll never be able to make them as quiet or light as models from AAC. whatever 
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Posted: 12/4/2010 6:09:30 AM EDT
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Impressive. Some POI shift is inevitable - just adding a wrap of electrician's tape to your barrel can shift POI. Keeping it that small AND consistent through five different cans...that separates the men from the boys right there.
I guess these cans are thread-on? Either that or you been keeping Fingar away from any rifles with your QD mount on the barrel... Mark, you are already in the SBR business...wouldn't selling suppressors be a logical and relatively short leap? I want a can with a TEXAS on it! 
If we can't have that, maybe the "OBR stage" at Liberty Hill in April could have one of your suppressors on it?
Hey, "you have not because you ask not!" It's worth a shot! |
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Posted: 12/4/2010 6:22:41 AM EDT
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Surefire has done similar demos. The targets I saw were shot with a 700P and a 556-212 can. All the same spot high and right, inside of a minute of unsuppressed POI. Of course there is a reason for that, all of their cans index identically, as they have the locating pin that mates with the adapter. Mark, would definitely like to see details about your can. TI cans are hot... I've seen the Surefire demo as well. I believe they only used two or three cans. The point was to show POI because of there locking system. If I recall they were only shooting at 25 yards. I wonder what kind of locking system Mark is using? Thanks for adding another thing to my Larue list! |
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Posted: 12/4/2010 7:21:43 AM EDT
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Quoted: Mark, you are already in the SBR business...wouldn't selling suppressors be a logical and relatively short leap? I want a can with a TEXAS on it! Me too. Consider this - Just in the past year a number of small companies have come out with innovative designs that stomp or directly compete with the best from the "big" companies. There's still a lot of room for improvement too. |
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Posted: 12/4/2010 9:56:42 AM EDT
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 Mark notice the cheek piece you rushed out the day before yesterday... Hensoldt 4 x 16 in a borrowed AI mount reversed because 45 MOA of slant was too much LOL. 
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Posted: 12/4/2010 10:12:30 AM EDT
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What the heck is the muzzle device on that one? Not to derail the whole, "Please make Larue Cans available" thing, but I had to ask?
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Posted: 12/4/2010 6:24:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: What the heck is the muzzle device on that one? Not to derail the whole, "Please make Larue Cans available" thing, but I had to ask? ETA: Nice stick and nice shooting, BTW. It's a muzzle brake/mount for Elite Iron Bravo SD can. As for a can, I harass M. Fingar every year (for the last 3) at SHOT and always get the same answer.  I'll harass again this year.308Sako - I think your offer has increased in value over the last year thanks to Barry O and the ever increasing value of gold. |
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Posted: 12/4/2010 6:30:47 PM EDT
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Pic or video of said testing? Anyone can post targets with holes in it.
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Posted: 12/5/2010 1:31:47 PM EDT
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Could we see a picture(up close) of one of your cans? I bet the machining is good
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Posted: 12/5/2010 1:49:43 PM EDT
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Surefire has done similar demos. The targets I saw were shot with a 700P and a 556-212 can. All the same spot high and right, inside of a minute of unsuppressed POI. Of course there is a reason for that, all of their cans index identically, as they have the locating pin that mates with the adapter. Mark, would definitely like to see details about your can. TI cans are hot... I've seen the Surefire demo as well. I believe they only used two or three cans. The point was to show POI because of there locking system. If I recall they were only shooting at 25 yards. I wonder what kind of locking system Mark is using? Thanks for adding another thing to my Larue list! The demo I'm talking about was at their indoor range. 50m or 100 I think, 5 cans. |
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