FAL's At 800 yards

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Posted: 4/6/2015 10:07:52 PM EDT

I've been shooting my STG-58 at 500 yards for the last twenty years. It is my go-to rifle for rapid-fire,semi-auto matches. I win most of the time.
I tried the rifle at 800 yards and it was no challenge at all. I used my match loads I shot in the Navy and the rifle put the rounds on target with no misses. Not a brag,these rifles are just that good.

The Austrian rifles are so well made,I now want to drag out my L1A1 with a SUIT Sight and see how well it shoots.

I'm hoping there is enough front screw adjustment to allow the 124 inch drop from 500 to 800 yards bullet drop.
Have any of you shot the SUIT farther than 500 yards? What needs to be done?

Posted: 4/6/2015 10:52:43 PM EDT

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Nice shooting. What size and type of target were you using?

Posted: 4/6/2015 11:25:45 PM EDT

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3x3 foot target with a 12" center. I was able to keep 8 of ten shots in the center

Posted: 4/6/2015 11:30:03 PM EDT

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What loads are you shooting?, I was thinking of putting my MK4 Leupold on and run some FGMM 168s at 100yd to see what kind of groups I would get, I was getting some real nice groups with Irons at 25yds when I first zeroed them.

I was shooting two rounds and then moving the sights, the strays are my brother shooting at 50.

Posted: 4/7/2015 6:46:12 AM EDT

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I dumped my Belgian FALs when the StG58 I have turns out to be more accurate. I don't know what exactly it is that it does but I'll say this. It just gets incredibly great groups and I am not complaining.

Posted: 4/7/2015 1:37:18 PM EDT

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Does the number on the lower match the number on the barrel and bolt/carrier?

Looks like four digits?

Posted: 4/7/2015 8:26:34 PM EDT

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Yes,the numbers match. I have the receiver stub somewhere in my shop.
My load is the M-118 pulled bullet over 42 grains of my lot of WC-846. ( 44 is normal but my powder is too fast burning) 1986 Match brass and CCI Mil Spec LR primer and a 60 pound bullet crimp ( dupes Lake City spec)
I found my M1A loves this load. This load matches the sights on my rifles.
Still looking for SUIT Sight adjustment info.

Posted: 4/7/2015 8:44:26 PM EDT

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Yes,the numbers match. I have the receiver stub somewhere in my shop.
My load is the M-118 pulled bullet over 42 grains of my lot of WC-846. ( 44 is normal but my powder is too fast burning) 1986 Match brass and CCI Mil Spec LR primer and a 60 pound bullet crimp ( dupes Lake City spec)
I found my M1A loves this load. This load matches the sights on my rifles.
Still looking for SUIT Sight adjustment info.

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A four digit serial StG-58 is Belgian (FN) manufactured for Austria.

Posted: 4/7/2015 8:46:31 PM EDT

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What's the serial # on the barrel?

Posted: 4/7/2015 10:48:25 PM EDT

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A four digit serial StG-58 is Belgian (FN) manufactured for Austria.

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Yes,the numbers match. I have the receiver stub somewhere in my shop.

My load is the M-118 pulled bullet over 42 grains of my lot of WC-846. ( 44 is normal but my powder is too fast burning) 1986 Match brass and CCI Mil Spec LR primer and a 60 pound bullet crimp ( dupes Lake City spec)

I found my M1A loves this load. This load matches the sights on my rifles.

Still looking for SUIT Sight adjustment info.

A four digit serial StG-58 is Belgian (FN) manufactured for Austria.

How about a 836## all matching, looked it up under 20K is FN after that to 250K is Austria

Posted: 4/8/2015 12:40:39 AM EDT

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Yeah, manufactured by Steyr.

Posted: 4/21/2015 5:23:39 PM EDT

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Check out ole Rapibrob's corresponding thread over on the Files. It appears he's full of horse manurer.

Posted: 4/24/2015 4:51:47 PM EDT

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This One? ;-)

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Posted: 4/24/2015 5:32:09 PM EDT

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did I tell you I was a helo pilot in nam?

chief warrant Officer 7, ROFL 87thAHA at Din Ang 1976-81

Posted: 4/27/2015 12:15:39 AM EDT

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Not a brag, but .308 can do way more than over 9,000 yards if you fire from altitude.

Myself, I'm just happy with my current posting

But seriously that falfiles thread is great. Nice to see that "top secret prototype" scopes are on sale at Midway from time to time.

Posted: 4/27/2015 10:26:16 AM EDT

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Wow! What a train wreck (FAL files thread)

You would think if you were going to lie about training SEALs you would at least look up what BUDS meant

Posted: 4/27/2015 10:43:16 AM EDT

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x 87 !

Posted: 4/27/2015 10:57:34 AM EDT

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This One? ;-)

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Check out ole Rapibrob's corresponding thread over on the Files. It appears he's full of horse manurer.

This One? ;-)

AKASL

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Woah

Posted: 4/29/2015 9:22:42 PM EDT

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Check out ole Rapibrob's corresponding thread over on the Files. It appears he's full of horse manurer.

This One? ;-)

AKASL

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Woah

Woah is right. That thread links to two other threads this dipshit is spanking his own monkey in.

ETA: I'm waiting for Rapidrimjob to profess to training the Space Shuttle Door Gunners next.

Posted: 5/25/2015 12:00:44 PM EDT

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Well he appears to be well qualified on the comb over and Brylcream. Or maybe he's a Dapper Dan man.

I bet this guy spends lots of time telling stories at the gun shop counter for all to admire.

Posted: 5/25/2015 12:19:38 PM EDT

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I've found my L1a1 to be bullet weight sensitive. 165gr zero has 150 gr projectiles hitting 10 inches high at 100m.

That will teach me to play games with what works in my FAL.

Posted: 6/2/2015 4:38:22 PM EDT

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Patrick Sweeney has a L1A1 and he found for most of the SLRs he shoots that the Hornady TAP 150 grain is where they are happy at, he was getting great MOAs with it.

Posted: 6/2/2015 5:16:16 PM EDT

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All fun with the moron aside, I am interested to get the FAL down to a 1.5-2.0 MOA rifle. Consistently. With 10 shot groups, not just 3 or 5. Out to at least 300 yards, preferably 500 with mid-body shots consistently.

I have a LOT of experimentation planned with the gas system (where I believe most of our accuracy gets screwed up).

Right now we're finishing up the ACR stock conversion, after that... things will get "interesting". ;)

Posted: 6/3/2015 12:11:34 PM EDT

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All fun with the moron aside, I am interested to get the FAL down to a 1.5-2.0 MOA rifle. Consistently. With 10 shot groups, not just 3 or 5. Out to at least 300 yards, preferably 500 with mid-body shots consistently.

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Do yourself a favor, then, and check the 2.0 MOA FAL thread over on the Files. A lot of guys doing some surprisingly scientific tests to try and ascertain exactly what contributes to an FAL's accuracy (or lack thereof).

Posted: 6/5/2015 10:50:20 AM EDT

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All fun with the moron aside, I am interested to get the FAL down to a 1.5-2.0 MOA rifle. Consistently. With 10 shot groups, not just 3 or 5. Out to at least 300 yards, preferably 500 with mid-body shots consistently.

I have a LOT of experimentation planned with the gas system (where I believe most of our accuracy gets screwed up).

Right now we're finishing up the ACR stock conversion, after that... things will get "interesting". ;)

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Are you sure you are considering accuracy in MOA. It sounds to me like you have group size in mind.

You do realize the MOA is MOA regardless of the range involved. If your rifle is grouping 2 MOA at 300 it will do the same at 500. MOA is a measure of angular dispersion, not group diameter.

2 MOA at 100 subtends 2". 2 MOA at 500 subtends 10" (These measurements are approximated at 1". 1 MOA actually subtends 1.047" at 100 yards.)

Here is a link to a page that explains MOA. Link

Posted: 6/6/2015 1:01:22 PM EDT

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Do yourself a favor, then, and check the 2.0 MOA FAL thread over on the Files. A lot of guys doing some surprisingly scientific tests to try and ascertain exactly what contributes to an FAL's accuracy (or lack thereof).

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All fun with the moron aside, I am interested to get the FAL down to a 1.5-2.0 MOA rifle. Consistently. With 10 shot groups, not just 3 or 5. Out to at least 300 yards, preferably 500 with mid-body shots consistently.

Do yourself a favor, then, and check the 2.0 MOA FAL thread over on the Files. A lot of guys doing some surprisingly scientific tests to try and ascertain exactly what contributes to an FAL's accuracy (or lack thereof).

THIS X 1000 Last year I did exactly the same thing you are looking at doing now. I spent months researching this possibility and it all boiled down to the FAL/L1A1 is a battle rifle not a sniper rifle.

Things I learned:

1) 2700 FPS for 150+/- grain ammo provides the best accuracy.
2) Adjusting the tension of the bolt carrier to the bolt improves the vertical stringing issue.
3) Tight headspacing improves accuracy.
4) Ambient temperature will play havoc on accuracy
5) Point of impact will shift dramatically as the rifle warms up from being fired.

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Posted: 6/6/2015 10:25:05 PM EDT

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" I am interested to get the FAL down to a 1.5-2.0 MOA rifle. Consistently. With 10 shot groups, not just 3 or 5. Out to at least 300 yards, preferably 500 with mid-body shots consistently. "

I don't believe this is possible with an FAL. I know some folks have spent a lot of money trying. But the open rear receiver, rear locking bolt and skinny barrel will pretty much ensure this kind of accuracy will only happen on the internet.

A lot of countries have used the fine rifle as their service weapon. I can't think of any that were able to turn it into a designated marksman's rifle, never mind a sniper rifle.

Posted: 6/7/2015 9:47:40 AM EDT

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We shot them out to 900m ETR (using hold over you don't mess with a zeroed rifle in the army) range when I was a young lad in the Army not a huge amount of success as it wasn't really designed for such a feat but suddenly the pointer being upside down makes a lot of sense

Posted: 7/29/2015 6:30:50 PM EDT

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Back in 2009 Old Marine sniper "Gunny" took my STG-58 out to 1,000 yards and dumped 10 in the X and the other 10 in the head on a B-27 target. I will give it that he is/was a Master Sniper instructor in the Marines for 20 years. He used my cheap wolf ammo to do this also.

Posted: 7/30/2015 2:02:58 AM EDT

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Back in 2009 Old Marine sniper "Gunny" took my STG-58 out to 1,000 yards and dumped 10 in the X and the other 10 in the head on a B-27 target. I will give it that he is/was a Master Sniper instructor in the Marines for 20 years. He used my cheap wolf ammo to do this also.

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Fucking hilarious! Was he blind folded at the time?

Posted: 7/30/2015 5:45:35 PM EDT

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Back in 2009 Old Marine sniper "Gunny" took my STG-58 out to 1,000 yards and dumped 10 in the X and the other 10 in the head on a B-27 target. I will give it that he is/was a Master Sniper instructor in the Marines for 20 years. He used my cheap wolf ammo to do this also.

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Bullshit.

Posted: 7/30/2015 5:49:13 PM EDT

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was it Rob?

Posted: 8/2/2015 8:20:39 AM EDT

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Back in 2009 Old Marine sniper "Gunny" took my STG-58 out to 1,000 yards and dumped 10 in the X and the other 10 in the head on a B-27 target. I will give it that he is/was a Master Sniper instructor in the Marines for 20 years. He used my cheap wolf ammo to do this also.

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...And then, being out of bullets he returned the Indians arrows on the strings of my guitar.
Take the Star Wars action figure out of your ass, come up out of Mom's basement and go look for some kind of jobby-job.

Posted: 8/2/2015 9:08:04 AM EDT

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Back in 2009 Old Marine sniper "Gunny" took my STG-58 out to 1,000 yards and dumped 10 in the X and the other 10 in the head on a B-27 target. I will give it that he is/was a Master Sniper instructor in the Marines for 20 years. He used my cheap wolf ammo to do this also.

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Rob, is that you? Where have you been?

Posted: 8/2/2015 10:26:06 AM EDT

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Bullshit.

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Back in 2009 Old Marine sniper "Gunny" took my STG-58 out to 1,000 yards and dumped 10 in the X and the other 10 in the head on a B-27 target. I will give it that he is/was a Master Sniper instructor in the Marines for 20 years. He used my cheap wolf ammo to do this also.

Bullshit.

I think he's being sarcastic . Not sure though my calibration just isn't that good