that link doesn't work daddeo.  I assume you are talking about the CP223 or the Paul Howe inspired rig.  It'll be hard to go wrong with either one.

The Paul Howe rig, or Model PHUTV is a GREAT value.



I would recommend having Eggroll remove the MBITR radio pouches and add some PALS webbing in their place.

+1 on McGrubbs recommendation.  I can't see those things being worthwhile unless you have a couple of MBITR's or you like carrying around 16 oz. water bottles.

Joe at SKD Tactical should have those in stock.

Quoted: yes I do mods, and it would cost more if you have me remove those pouches

eggrolly,

I have a question about mods and chest rigs. I'm wondering why chest rigs don't have provisions for supporting trouser riggers belts as do most of the tac vests? One way to carry more *stuff* is with drop leg panels and holsters. The problems is, your trouser waist / riggers belts have to carry all that load. I know HSGI makes a good set of suspenders that can be worn under a chest rig but then you have another set of straps with which to contend.

Do you think it's possible to add four adjustable belt support loops to a chest harness sucn as the TT 2 piece MAV, two in the front and two in the back?

Quoted: IM sent Egg! ETA:Who has this rig? just curious as to when you remove one mag, does the other flop around, or is there some kind of retention for the mag? Looks like bungee corded mag pouches would work great with that.

I have one, but it's khaki.

A single mag doesn't flop at all in the pouches.  Matter of fact, I spent an entire day with two of the pouches only have one mag in them each.  You can't really see it in the pic above, but each pouch has a wide peice of heavy-duty elastic to hold the mags.  When you pull one out, it holds the leftover mag in just fine.

I see no reason for adding any type of rentention to this rig, unless you just want to.

Quoted: Quoted: eggrolly, I have a question about mods and chest rigs. I'm wondering why chest rigs don't have provisions for supporting trouser riggers belts as do most of the tac vests? One way to carry more *stuff* is with drop leg panels and holsters. The problems is, your trouser waist / riggers belts have to carry all that load. I know HSGI makes a good set of suspenders that can be worn under a chest rig but then you have another set of straps with which to contend. Do you think it's possible to add four adjustable belt support loops to a chest harness sucn as the TT 2 piece MAV, two in the front and two in the back? The belt loops on Tac vests are NOT meant to be attached to your trouser rigger's belt. You are supposed to use a seperate pistol/duty belt with a tac vest. What happens if you ever have to remove your vest in a hurry (like if you get shot) and it's attached to your pants? It becomes that much harder and takes that much more time to remove/cut your vest, during which time you might die. Use the HSGI suspenders you mentioned to hold up your riggers belt if it gets too heavy. That's what it was designed for. With training, the extra set of straps become a non-issue. As the moderator of the Training and Tactics forum, I would think that this is obvious.

FYI I never claimed to be a MOLLE/PALS expert and that's why I asked. From ideas are borne experiments, from experimentation we get useful products.

Regarding removing the rig if shot, I don't think quick release buckles on the suspension loops would  take that long to disengage. More to the point, what do you do in such a situation with the one piece rigs? I do know from reading threads on this board that the biggest complaint about them (one piece rigs) is that they are a PITA to get them on and so it seems they'd be just as difficult to remove.

Quoted: Well, I came across a store that had Tactical Tailor MAV stuff in stock, so I just bought that instead.  I wish I had waited for replies from this thread before I bought it.   I got the single piece MAV body, three mag pouches (3 mags/pouch), and the large utility pouch.  It's a real pain in the ass to get in and out of, and in my opinion the 3-mag pouches stick out too far and flop around too much.  Without the padded shoulder straps, it really digs in to my neck/shoulders, and the plastic brace holding the back of the straps is free-floating and slides to an akward position when I try to get my arms through the loops. With a little bit of experimentation, I realized that adjusting the straps so that the rig sits high helped to eliminate some of the "floppyness", but not all of it. From my limited experience, I would recommend the 2x mag pouches over the 3x mag pouches.  I don't really think the large utility pouch is of much use to me - it seemed to me that it would be a good pouch for holding a few empties, like a mini-dump pouch, so I bought one.

I bought a 2 piece TT MAV based on feedback from users on this site. Their main complaint about the 1 piece units was getting in and out of them. You give up real estate but I think that carrying more than 6 - 8 mags is overkill for realsitic situations in which a civilian might find himself. I never liked the old 3 cell M16 LBE pouch cuz they protruded so far from the body which is the reason I stayed away from 3 mag MOLLE pouches.

We all have a box of unused holsters we purchased and soon discovered did not fulfill our needs. The same thing seems to be happening with chest rigs and plate carriers. Only problem is this stuff is way more pricey than even a good quality holster.

Quoted: Quoted: FYI I never claimed to be a MOLLE/PALS expert and that's why I asked. From ideas are borne experiments, from experimentation we get useful products. Regarding removing the rig if shot, I don't think quick release buckles on the suspension loops would  take that long to disengage. More to the point, what do you do in such a situation with the one piece rigs? I do know from reading threads on this board that the biggest complaint about them (one piece rigs) is that they are a PITA to get them on and so it seems they'd be just as difficult to remove. Belt loops have nothing to do with PALS/MOLLE webbing. I won't bother explaining the differences between belt loops and PALS/MOLLE because there are more than enough explanations about PALS/MOLLE on the internet already.

OK. I was trying to refer to the whole genre of web gear in use today. Forgive my poor use of precise terminlogy.

With Tactics and Training, the removal of 1-piece chest rigs again becomes a non-issue. I have 1 2-piece MAV and 3 other 1-piece chest rigs, and I can get in and out of them without any problems what-so-ever. I can do this because I practice and I train with my gear. Try reading what people have to say about 1- and 2-piece chest rigs on other boards, too. You might be surprised to find that there are probably just as many people that use and prefer 1-pieces as 2-pieces.

Well, I realize full well some folks orefer one piece rigs. I've also researched and found many who find them difficult to don and doff, including the gentleman who started this thread.

If you added belt loops to a 2-piece MAV, it would no longer be a "chest" rig, but a "belly" rig (for lack of a better term).

Look, I was simply trying to think of a way to eliminate one layer of gear (HSGI suspenders) of which I do own a pair. Trying to simplify things (K.I.S.S.). When people such as eggrolly and yourself who have more experience than I do with this stuff, I'll take your word for it that the idea isn't *going anywhere*.

I'm sorry, I just find it surprising and ironic that a moderator in the Tactics and Training forum can't do a bit of research when it comes to gear. It makes me wonder what kind of background you have that makes you think you deserve to have that kind of responsibility.

The reason for the existence of this tac gear forum is to address tactical gear. Forgive me but I don't have the money to purchase every single piece of gear in existence or the time to field test it even if I did. Furthermore I think your comments on this issue are way out of line. Nobody knows it *all*, most of all the firearms instructors whom I have had the privelege to learn from, some of whom are the best in the business.

One thing that irritates me about these boards is how strong some people come off when someone asks what they think is a stupid question. I have always believed that those who have the knowledge and experience should help those who don't. As an example, contrast your replies to my question vs. eggrolly's. Your arrogance precedes you.

If you feel I'm not qualified to mod the training forum, feel free to petition the Avila's to have me removed. FYI, I didn't ask to be the Training Mod on this board, Ed Sr. asked me.

Quoted: Please, start a thread about the MAV, as I am thinking of getting one as I type this.

Search the Survival Forum. There were a couple of very informative threads over the last few months that focused on chest rigs and plate carriers.

Plus, this time of year they are the coolest way to go.  

Steve.

www.triadtactical.com

Quoted: Plus, this time of year they are the coolest way to go.   Steve. www.triadtactical.com

BINGO!!!!!

One of the big reasons I like it.