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Posted: 4/3/2007 4:34:17 PM EST
I saw  this link for a shotgun flash suppressor and thought it looked interesting. Does anyone  have any experience with the Madsen product or any other one that works.
http://www.mlode.com/~shotgun/
Thanks
Link Posted: 4/7/2007 1:37:43 PM EST
[#1]
Installs with 4 set screws?

I bet it'll end up down range in no time.
Link Posted: 4/7/2007 11:17:34 PM EST
[#2]

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Installs with 4 set screws?

I bet it'll end up down range in no time.


Heh, back in my youth, I launched a set-screw flash suppressor downrange (indoor, at that!), off a FAL.
Link Posted: 4/14/2007 5:29:30 PM EST
[#3]
Most modern smokeless shells get pretty much burnt out at about 24 inches,maybe even 18 inches down the barrell!  that muzzel flash is from unburnt powder!  Not sure if a flash supressour is needed on a shoty?

UMMV   Bob
Link Posted: 4/15/2007 5:49:22 PM EST
[#4]
Flash suppressors serve no useful function unless you are using a night vision device .

The whole point of a flash suppressor is to not blind the person if they are using a night vision device.

Flash suppressors are not intended to hide your muzzle flash from the enemy.
Link Posted: 4/22/2007 12:13:39 PM EST
[#5]

Quoted:
Flash suppressors serve no useful function unless you are using a night vision device .

The whole point of a flash suppressor is to not blind the person if they are using a night vision device.

Flash suppressors are not intended to hide your muzzle flash from the enemy.


Interesting....If that is the case why were they being used prior to the invention of Night Vision Devices?

Perhaps you meant to say to preserve night vision-sans the device?
Link Posted: 4/22/2007 12:58:33 PM EST
[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Flash suppressors serve no useful function unless you are using a night vision device .

The whole point of a flash suppressor is to not blind the person if they are using a night vision device.

Flash suppressors are not intended to hide your muzzle flash from the enemy.


Interesting....If that is the case why were they being used prior to the invention of Night Vision Devices?

Perhaps you meant to say to preserve night vision-sans the device?


No NVDs enhance light, so a Flash Hider/Suppressor will help prevent being blinded while using one.




Muzzle flash is especially visible at night, making it easy to see the location of the shooter, and at the same time interfering with the shooter's night vision. It is caused by incandescence of the expanding gases produced by burning gunpowder. Even during the day, the flash obscures the target view. The birdcage hider on the M16 rifle for example, directs the hot gases so they do not go directly up.



It is commonly thought that they are used on military rifles to reduce visibility to the enemy, but the size of a device necessary to completely hide the muzzle flash from an enemy during the night would be prohibitive. Military flash suppressors are designed to reduce the muzzle flash from the shooter to preserve their night vision, usually by directing the incandescent gases to the sides, away from the line of sight of the shooter. Military forces engaging in night combat are still quite visible, and must move quickly after firing to avoid return fire.



Link Posted: 4/22/2007 1:05:26 PM EST
[#7]
Uhm, XDBACKUPGUN, you provided a quote supporting the use of a FS for the purpose of preserving night vision, and yet you say that's not one of the reasons for using one.


Quoted:

Quoted:
Flash suppressors serve no useful function unless you are using a night vision device .


It is commonly thought that they are used on military rifles to reduce visibility to the enemy, but the size of a device necessary to completely hide the muzzle flash from an enemy during the night would be prohibitive. Military flash suppressors are designed to reduce the muzzle flash from the shooter to preserve their night vision, usually by directing the incandescent gases to the sides, away from the line of sight of the shooter. Military forces engaging in night combat are still quite visible, and must move quickly after firing to avoid return fire.



Secondly, it's my understanding that modern NVD have filters to deal with the flash.
Link Posted: 4/22/2007 1:10:56 PM EST
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Flash suppressors serve no useful function unless you are using a night vision device .

The whole point of a flash suppressor is to not blind the person if they are using a night vision device.

Flash suppressors are not intended to hide your muzzle flash from the enemy.


Interesting....If that is the case why were they being used prior to the invention of Night Vision Devices?

Perhaps you meant to say to preserve night vision-sans the device?


No NVDs enhance light, so a Flash Hider/Suppressor will help prevent being blinded while using one.




Muzzle flash is especially visible at night, making it easy to see the location of the shooter, and at the same time interfering with the shooter's night vision. It is caused by incandescence of the expanding gases produced by burning gunpowder. Even during the day, the flash obscures the target view. The birdcage hider on the M16 rifle for example, directs the hot gases so they do not go directly up.



It is commonly thought that they are used on military rifles to reduce visibility to the enemy, but the size of a device necessary to completely hide the muzzle flash from an enemy during the night would be prohibitive. Military flash suppressors are designed to reduce the muzzle flash from the shooter to preserve their night vision, usually by directing the incandescent gases to the sides, away from the line of sight of the shooter. Military forces engaging in night combat are still quite visible, and must move quickly after firing to avoid return fire.





Those quotes do not substantiate your claim, that "flash suppressors serve no useful function unless you are using a night vision device."

Nothing in those quotes mentions night vision DEVICES, which is what you claimed flash suppressors were designed for.

Flash suppressors were implemented far prior to the introduction of night vision devices. Yes, I do understand how NVDs work, having used them. I do understand that flash suppressors are very useful in conjunction with NVDs, however, they are also useful even without NVDs.
Link Posted: 4/22/2007 1:43:43 PM EST
[#9]
the 'night vision device' that flash suppressors help is the old mark1 eyeball, not some fancy-smanchy electronic device.

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