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Posted: 12/17/2020 3:54:35 PM EDT
[#1]
Well that sucks.
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:00:39 PM EDT
[#2]
Doesn't surprise me much. What you don't have already, you ain't got.
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:09:10 PM EDT
[#3]
So they are going after anything that can be homebuilt.
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:12:44 PM EDT
[#4]
Damn.
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:14:29 PM EDT
[#5]
Fuck, and I cannot stress this enough, the ATF
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:18:49 PM EDT
[#6]
They are getting ridiculously bold after meeting with the fake president elect
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:20:03 PM EDT
[#7]
Maybe that's why my spacer material hasn't shipped?
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:44:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So they are going after anything that can be homebuilt. It has been a fly in their ointment for some time. They know their new overlords will be pleased and they will have full backing. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:45:00 PM EDT
[#9]
Fuck I've got an order that shipped Dec 3rd and tracking hasn't been updated since 12/8 so I emailed today..
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:56:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So they are going after anything that can be homebuilt. 
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Posted: 12/17/2020 4:59:54 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think so. They feel emboldened. They do have a problem though...a pice of 1.35 ID pipe can be had at Lowes for a few bucks It's not about the hardware, it's about cracking down on the sorts of people selling and buying it. The objects are just an excuse, and they'll find others as needed. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 5:04:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not about the hardware, it's about cracking down on the sorts of people selling and buying it. The objects are just an excuse, and they'll find others as needed. It's about building lists... |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 5:05:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not about the hardware, it's about cracking down on the sorts of people selling and buying it. The objects are just an excuse, and they'll find others as needed. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 5:07:09 PM EDT
[#14]
Oh yay...
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Posted: 12/17/2020 5:18:56 PM EDT
[#15]
Great, there goes my open order.
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Posted: 12/17/2020 5:19:01 PM EDT
[#16]
Haven't seen any confirmation of this yet.
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Posted: 12/17/2020 5:46:20 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Haven't seen any confirmation of this yet. Its real. ATF has issue with kits and center marks, and otherwise there is no downside from taking admin option to close market, knowing other party needs to then respond by risking arrest or needed to take other prolonged or costly legal action. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 6:07:51 PM EDT
[#18]
Have the FATF call Bill. I’m sure he can straighten them out.
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Posted: 12/17/2020 7:37:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its real. ATF has issue with kits, and otherwise there is no downside from taking admin option to close market, knowing other party needs to then respond by risking arrest or needed to take other prolonged or costly legal action. Yep. That's why Quiet Bore went from being a 'manufacturer of high quality solvent traps & firearms accessories' to a 'manufacturer of high quality Form 1 supplies', and now requires an approved Form 1 to ship. I wonder if DM told the ATF to FO instead of changing their business model. |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 3:57:25 AM EDT
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Anyone here ever think that he could just be saying this given the amount of people he collected money from and never delivered anything to them? This is apart from the whole QuietBore thing, maybe he said to himself that I'll play this I got raided thing knowing he owes people their money back or product? Like what a perfect timing for him. QuietBore, Quell Tech, and then he said I'll just add myself to that list so I have an excuse for not getting people what they paid for?
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Posted: 12/18/2020 8:25:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone here ever think that he could just be saying this given the amount of people he collected money from and never delivered anything to them? This is apart from the whole QuietBore thing, maybe he said to himself that I'll play this I got raided thing knowing he owes people their money back or product? Like what a perfect timing for him. QuietBore, Quell Tech, and then he said I'll just add myself to that list so I have an excuse for not getting people what they paid for? No |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 9:40:38 AM EDT
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Always felt the clock started ticking down for these operations when the "kit" concept became the rave.
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Posted: 12/18/2020 10:11:12 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Always felt the clock started ticking down for these operations when the "kit" concept became the rave. Kinda glad I've never ordered a kit be it 80% glock or solvent trap. I've only ordered a tube or an endcap. (And they've all been made into approved form 1 cans for you fed bois watching) |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 10:23:57 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone here ever think that he could just be saying this given the amount of people he collected money from and never delivered anything to them? This is apart from the whole QuietBore thing, maybe he said to himself that I'll play this I got raided thing knowing he owes people their money back or product? Like what a perfect timing for him. QuietBore, Quell Tech, and then he said I'll just add myself to that list so I have an excuse for not getting people what they paid for? |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 10:26:57 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck I've got an order that shipped Dec 3rd and tracking hasn't been updated since 12/8 so I emailed today.. |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 11:16:22 AM EDT
[#26]
I feel like a boxer ducking and weaving through all the ATF's bullshit. I efiled a couple of Form 1s near the end of October to SBR a braced pistol and to make a suppressor out of a DM kit. The SBR was approved already but I'm still in "Pending Research" for the suppressor.
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Posted: 12/18/2020 12:15:07 PM EDT
[#27]
I was going to do a form 1 silencer, but with the current situation going on, I think I will destroy the kit I have coming and just forget about it. The current climate has me worried where things are going to lead.
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Posted: 12/18/2020 12:26:46 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's about building lists... Aren't there some safeguards against this, with the 1986 FOPA? I realize this means jack and shit to the ATF, but are any lawyers savvy enough to counterattack and tie them up in courts? |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 2:33:41 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Aren't there some safeguards against this, with the 1986 FOPA? I realize this means jack and shit to the ATF, but are any lawyers savvy enough to counterattack and tie them up in courts? The FOPA prohibits a federal firearms registry.... but the NFRTR is excluded from this prohibition |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 4:15:06 PM EDT
[#30]
Honestly. Probably won’t affect his shipping time all that much lol
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Posted: 12/18/2020 5:41:18 PM EDT
[#31]
Wonder if ATF is going to raid all these grocery stores that deliver alcohol?
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Posted: 12/18/2020 5:53:22 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone here ever think that he could just be saying this given the amount of people he collected money from and never delivered anything to them? This is apart from the whole QuietBore thing, maybe he said to himself that I'll play this I got raided thing knowing he owes people their money back or product? Like what a perfect timing for him. QuietBore, Quell Tech, and then he said I'll just add myself to that list so I have an excuse for not getting people what they paid for? What happened to Quell Tech? |
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Posted: 12/19/2020 12:04:58 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What happened to Quell Tech? |
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Posted: 12/19/2020 12:33:15 PM EDT
[#34]
Some further discussion in this thread in GD:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Breaking-Diversified-Machining-form-1-suppressor-supplies-raided-by-BATFE/5-2403456/ |
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Posted: 12/19/2020 5:10:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: From another forum: "I just spoke with Chris, who informed me the ATF raided his business and confiscated everything. EVERYTHING. Computer, cell phone, entire inventory. Just a heads up." Not a good sign of the coming times. Raided for why? They don't just come do raids. They do come with reasons, whether made up reasons or not, they have to state a reason(s). |
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Posted: 12/19/2020 9:47:12 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Raided for why? They don't just come do raids. They do come with reasons, whether made up reasons or not, they have to state a reason(s). The ATF argued in the raids of the 80% firearm places that selling full out completion kits to make a full working receiver is too close to a full working gun to be sold the way it was being done. One would surmise in DM that selling full out kits is viewed as a problem to ATF. |
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Posted: 12/19/2020 9:52:48 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The ATF argued in the raids of the 80% firearm places that selling full out completion kits to make a full working receiver is too close to a full working gun to be sold the way it was being done. One would surmise in DM that selling full out kits is viewed as a problem to ATF. Is that like selling a 80% AR15 kit that had all the parts and jig but the lower was just a 80% piece of AL or plastic? So selling a bunch of non-firearm parts is now illegal, but only if you sell them in one kit? What if the kits were broken out in to sub kits that had different SKU #'s? So you would then just buy a few SKU's which essentially has all the parts needed? Would that too be legally-illegal under ATF discretionary view of the world? |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 2:10:12 AM EDT
[#38]
There is something about selling a kit that is rattling their chain. Then, there is something about calling something by another name. WTF is a solvent trap. The whole “solvent tap” thing, with a FAQ on how to file a form 1 that does not pass the smell test. It reminds me of calling drugs “dietary supplements”
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Posted: 12/20/2020 2:25:24 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is something about selling a kit that is rattling their chain. Then, there is something about calling something by another name. WTF is a solvent trap. The whole “solvent tap” thing, with a FAQ on how to file a form 1 that does not pass the smell test. It reminds me of calling drugs “dietary supplements” I think the Titanium alone is worth more than $95 catch trap |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 11:19:54 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is something about selling a kit that is rattling their chain. It seems all the parts to make a firearm is closer to a firearm than just an 80% receiver. ATF at least (yet), did not redefine an 80% receiver. Solution right now is simple, stop selling kits. |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 11:31:45 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems all the parts to make a firearm is closer to a firearm than just an 80% receiver. ATF at least (yet), did not redefine an 80% receiver. Solution right now is simple, stop selling kits. Ah, that's more ATF discretionary verbiage right there. "closer to a firearm than just an 80% receiver"? So now today the definition of "firearm" includes if there are parts in the box. So if I have a 79% receiver in the box with all the parts, that's makes the 79% too close to 80.00000001%. Just more bs by ATF yet again. But what about my other question, what if these kits were not a single SKU#. Like 79% receiver+jig as one SKU, the action another SKU, and the barrel a 3rd SKU. Would that be ok? |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 1:00:56 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is something about selling a kit that is rattling their chain. Then, there is something about calling something by another name. WTF is a solvent trap. The whole "solvent tap" thing, with a FAQ on how to file a form 1 that does not pass the smell test. It reminds me of calling drugs "dietary supplements" |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 5:40:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Accurate analogy...that said, it's still bullshit and it's still a bullshit authoritarian agency. Maybe I'll start manufacturing angled foregrips for pistols and call them ATF dildos. Jesus...the handwringing about legalities these days just embolden and legitimizes those cocksuckers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is something about selling a kit that is rattling their chain. Then, there is something about calling something by another name. WTF is a solvent trap. The whole "solvent tap" thing, with a FAQ on how to file a form 1 that does not pass the smell test. It reminds me of calling drugs "dietary supplements" Typical overbearing government agency. It's not about smart/dumb, right/wrong, or anything except COMPLIANCE. |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 10:06:25 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: COMPLIANCE. |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:00:24 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think so. They feel emboldened. They do have a problem though...a pice of 1.35 ID pipe can be had at Lowes for a few bucks You in GA. Are the people there 110% fed-up with the way elections are being conducted there? |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:01:21 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck I've got an order that shipped Dec 3rd and tracking hasn't been updated since 12/8 so I emailed today.. It's being diverted 
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:06:38 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote History@AlterEgo2 Titanium is the color, not the material. 100% guarantee its aluminum |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:09:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @AlterEgo2 Titanium is the color, not the material. 100% guarantee its aluminum Quote HistoryQuoted: @AlterEgo2 Titanium is the color, not the material. 100% guarantee its aluminum The people buying it probably don't know the diff, haha.  Extend the life of your car by preventing contaminants from damaging it. Use the fuel filter to keep your car in pristine condition. |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 8:34:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You in GA. Are the people there 110% fed-up with the way elections are being conducted there? |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 5:03:00 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems all the parts to make a firearm is closer to a firearm than just an 80% receiver. ATF at least (yet), did not redefine an 80% receiver. Solution right now is simple, stop selling kits. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is something about selling a kit that is rattling their chain. It seems all the parts to make a firearm is closer to a firearm than just an 80% receiver. ATF at least (yet), did not redefine an 80% receiver. Solution right now is simple, stop selling kits. Nothing about kits is rattling their chain, it's just a convenient excuse. The people driving this want to kill most of you, steal your shit, and enslave the rest. The fact that you exist is rattling their chain. |
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