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Link Posted: 7/24/2019 2:21:55 PM EDT
I miss MrPlayer and his NV dog photos. :-)
Link Posted: 7/24/2019 2:25:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By chosos:
I miss MrPlayer and his NV dog photos. :-)
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I miss MrPlayer and the sweet, sweet love we shared that one night in Vegas. I promised I wouldn’t tell, but it was magical.
Link Posted: 7/24/2019 2:44:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TNVC:
Sounds like cullimation.
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Originally Posted By MrPlayer:
I miss Munderman.
Sounds like cullimation.
It’s the collimation of years of experience.

@Harlikwin helped me with several different questions.
@SkyPup made me envious of his bajillion thermal toys.
Dino was always super helpful and knowledgeable or knew where to find info.
I feel @TheHorta ‘s pain regarding confiscation.
Link Posted: 7/24/2019 3:44:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheHorta:

I miss MrPlayer and the sweet, sweet love we shared that one night in Vegas. I promised I wouldn’t tell, but it was magical.
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I was told what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas......
Link Posted: 7/24/2019 3:56:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MrPlayer:
I was told what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas......
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Originally Posted By TheHorta:

I miss MrPlayer and the sweet, sweet love we shared that one night in Vegas. I promised I wouldn’t tell, but it was magical.
I was told what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas......
Link Posted: 7/24/2019 3:56:12 PM EDT
Come back, old people. We have better snacks at the meetings these days.
Link Posted: 7/24/2019 4:03:01 PM EDT
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You can’t get Herpes if you never get tested, or so I was told.

Chosos, thanks for the mention. I’ll try for some new ones soon.
Link Posted: 7/24/2019 4:26:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TNVC_Sam:

Knob Creek isnt a place where we'd venture with our gear.
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This disappoints me

I assume for fear of theft or something. but all the vendors with expensive items move them from the tables to the van they drove there and just transport it back to the hotel each night.

There are for sure alot of dudes walking around with cash. I saw one guy count out 16k in crisp 100's for a fully transferable stripped M16 lower

but maybe thats a good thing its untelling how much I might spend with all that night goodness in front of me with no lead time or wait lol
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Link Posted: 7/24/2019 10:16:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TNVC:

He fishes a lot, but as I mentioned he got tired of the BS accusations and had enough. Who could blame him....
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I think we're all tired of the bs and the forum has changed for the better. Tell him to come back.
Link Posted: 7/24/2019 10:20:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NSFJojo:

I think we're all tired of the bs and the forum has changed for the better. Tell him to come back.
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I agree. It’s a lot better in that regard and no need to keep bringing up problems in the past. Does no good in my opinion.
Link Posted: 7/24/2019 11:05:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By will-1:

I agree. It’s a lot better in that regard and no need to keep bringing up problems in the past. Does no good in my opinion.
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“Can’t we all just get along?”
Link Posted: 7/25/2019 1:30:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/25/2019 3:18:31 PM EDT by Blacknite098]
Glad to see you haven't packed it in yet Skypup!

I remember you beong a wealth of knowledge when it comes to thermal, setting up NVGs and using these optics for hunting/pest control. I also remember the kind comments you made on my first ARFCOM post when I reviewed the Sirius many many moons ago

Unfortunately I never got to go yote hunting in NC with my Sirius, but I did get to use it for pest control. Girlfriend's family has a small farm, and for awhile, the property next door was an animal assisted therapy place for recovering drug addicts and alcoholics. While I'm all for helping people get cleaned up and fix their mistakes, the idiots who owned it got shut down by the state for charity fraud. What happened after they got shut down? These scumbags abandoned the property and left all the remaining animals (pigs, emus, rabbits, goats, etc) to fend for themselves and die .

Well one of the animals that was left behind was a ton (100+) of domestic rats being bred for use as snake food. Well once these assholes left, the rats got lose, began to turn feral and began to wreak havoc on all the neighboring properties. While I do have a soft spot for domestic rats, having a ton of now feral rats running around that can spread diseases, do serious damage to properties and invite nasty predators like foxes, venomous snakes, and raccoons? It's a liability to her farm animals and therefore the occupants of the home, and depending on the day, a toddler.

The neighbors, her father, and her brother shot a lot of the rats, and oddly i never saw a single rat when I was out there, not even eyeshine, being out there for an hour or two. Apparently they just went into hiding, she told me her family has still seen one or two scurrying around occasionally, and if they become a problem again, I will be ready to deal with em.

Because of the presence of other people, and buildings, I used low powered .22 subsonics, more than enough power to be humane, but since those won't cycle in a semi , I used an old Remington Nylon Model 11 with a 4 power scope, then I clamped a high wattage green color flashlight to the scope, and had my Sirius+Ops Core FAST for spotting. Figured I'd spot with the NV, and then hit the green light to aim with the scope take a shot since green doesn't seem to scare off the rats.

In the future, I'd love to get an actual dedicated setup for day/night use. Something like a semi auto .22 or 5.56 carbine fitted with a NV compatible red dot, low magnification scope, or perhaps a digital NV unit, appropriate flash hider and maybe an IR/Visible laser sight. But given my budget at the moment? I don't think that's going to be feasible anytime soon.
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Link Posted: 7/25/2019 2:16:31 AM EDT
All I was trying to get across is that my opinion is it turns people off to come on here and read this vendor drama stuff. People want to come on here ask questions and see pictures of cool shit and if we’re lucky a nice ass shot from one of MrPlayer’s honeys (haven’t seen one of those in a while).

It’s no good for people to be on here bashing vendors, each other, playing games, and it seems the moderators are staying on top of it.

You guys do get a lot of shit and I’ve seen where it’s been undeserved so I get where you’re coming from but not everything is a planned attack either.
Link Posted: 7/25/2019 2:30:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheHorta:

MM was awesome. We’d talk on the phone for hours. Had our share of personal spates, but I have a great deal of respect for that man. He’s been through a lot and has a ton of valuable wisdom to share. He was the anti-Horta, but we made it work.
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We were talking about you at lunch the other day. Give him a call
Link Posted: 7/25/2019 2:33:31 AM EDT
Hey Vic, I don’t want to shit on this thread, it’s a good one for those guys catching up. I’m calling a ceasefire and staying out.
Link Posted: 7/25/2019 2:37:35 AM EDT
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You have come up recently in conversations with MM and hiTechRancher.

Good times.
Link Posted: 7/25/2019 4:25:47 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TNVC:

Problems in the past? Heck just last week a former Vendor shit on us in colossal back handed behind the scenes set up and was caught doing it. All respect NSF, yea been tired of the BS.
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Same, except I can't shill for any one since I've got a few fuck you letters from random people. Ben at Photonis just stopped replying to my emails after I ratted him out to the HQ in France allegedly not putting mayo on his frites. T at that one company told me to never mention his company again for posting the modeling pictures which is sad bc it was in good fun and he called me weird which was mean and then we got us and I'm not starting any shit anytime soon. I'll shill for FLiR though since they sent me that Pro for free I used to take so many thermal dick pics. So many...

The thing is when we do this forum the right way, where we have fun, admit the 7's are better, and help each other out we all benefit. Also, you have to post astronomy pictures and your lack of new content hurts. I wish you vendors would take the shit to the pit though and just blast each other like the rest of us have to do when we got beef. Do it.

Look, tell them to come back. Everyone that just lurks and posts occasionally now needs to post now more than ever. Ask stupid questions (except the "hey im new what should I buy" which prompts the obvious answer of dual tubes and unfilmed tubes), bust open your esoteric shit and make guides for repair and cool stuff like we get. Share.

Free information for these devices that are to be extinct like vacuum tubes is something the rest of the world will need to have a 100 years from now to understand what it was like for us to use analog eyes. Night vision is the last little bit of magic left in a world full of dry digital recreations illuminated by the soulless LED windows that mock our cones and rods with their devilish blue light. We are the wardens of the obsolete and the protectors of the green and chrome realm. Lights out, Nods down, pinkies up.

We were always meant to see how God intended us to see which is why he gave us stories of the Cyclopes to encourage us to make the pinnacle technology known as the 7, which is also God's number. Coincidence?
Link Posted: 7/25/2019 8:46:03 AM EDT
Maybe we can get this forum started up again. Heck we got Horta and skypup posting again.

now im just waiting for CJ and Dino to start reminiscing.

ive picked up a few new IR devices lately, might start a thread about it later.
Link Posted: 7/25/2019 9:20:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By will-1:
All I was trying to get across is that my opinion is it turns people off to come on here and read this vendor drama stuff. People want to come on here ask questions and see pictures of cool shit and if we’re lucky a nice ass shot from one of MrPlayer’s honeys (haven’t seen one of those in a while).

It’s no good for people to be on here bashing vendors, each other, playing games, and it seems the moderators are staying on top of it.

You guys do get a lot of shit and I’ve seen where it’s been undeserved so I get where you’re coming from but not everything is a planned attack either.
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Ooooooohhhhh. Good point about @MrPlayer ‘s esoteric NV photography skills!
Link Posted: 7/25/2019 9:44:53 AM EDT
I’ve been a long time lurker here as well and miss all the tech/ project posts as well as the all people that used to post! I can’t believe it’s been 3 years since finding that killer deal on those DRS E6000s direct from Sierra Olympic and then seeing people make their own pan-tilts using modified Golight housings. Then figuring out how to send serial commands to it to enhance functionality. I think you missed out on that Horta? Or were you still lurking at that time? Hope to see more projects with cooperations like that in the future here.
Link Posted: 7/25/2019 10:59:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By xLucidx:
Maybe we can get this forum started up again. Heck we got Horta and skypup posting again.

now im just waiting for CJ and Dino to start reminiscing.

ive picked up a few new IR devices lately, might start a thread about it later.
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Me? I'm just reading Jojo's posts and thinking, "You know, there's this crazy 'use a CRT' movement in professional gaming, and people who think it makes a difference' thing going on, and that's just people playing COD. What about the people using real guns? I mean, We're going to need to see 200 Hz equivalent screens in NODs before they really take over from analog, because the latency in tubes is nanoseconds. Nanoseconds. Compared to the best digital today still with latency in the 10's of milliseconds at best. More than a thousand times slower. And we're just starting to realize that the eye processes movement and threat information directly and sends this stuff straight to our hands, and milliseconds is too slow.

And I was also feeling a bit put out because I wasn't on the list of cool people and then I remembered the quote from "The Right Stuff" about what you have to do to get your picture on the wall.

Speaking of which, true story. I nearly accidentally killed Chuck Yeager once. No seriously. I heard he was speaking at an event where I was attending, and we were told, no one could ask for autographs, so I thought, screw it, I'll sneak in and ask him for his autograph maybe. What can they do, throw me out? But security was three deep and on all the doors, so I went the back way and found a staff door and somehow made my way in. Walked into the stage area, and no Chuck. He wasn't there. So realizing how much trouble I was gonna be in, I hightailed it out of there real quick, and as I came barrelling out of there through this massive heavy door and BANG, it literally scrapes his nose because he couldn't pull his head back quick enough. The Man. Chuck Yeager himself.

Security is already reaching for weapons or handcuffs or who-knows-what at this point, because a second later and I might have accidentally killed the #1 living legend in the US ( Armstrong is #2 imho ) and everyone is moving in on me like I just went 5 stars on GTA, so I rip my convention pass from my neck, shove my pen into Mr Yeager's hand and say, "Would you please autograph my event pass, My Yeager" and he's absolutely stunned, but now he has my pen and I'm pretty much using him as a human shield against Security, and my cohorts who were supposed to be on the lookout come rushing in, and I ask, "Could I get a picture with that too?" So there I am, shaking hands with the most important man in history. Somewhere, on a disk or storage device buried long ago, taken on a really old Nokia phone camera, is a picture of Me and Chuck Yeager, and he still had the surprised look on his face.

Then he got me out of the shit with security guys, because for a while there they weren't about to let it slide and after that, no one even asked what I was doing in the off-limits area... So if he ever reads this, and still remembers that idiot in Melbourne who couldn't open a door like a normal human being in 2000, sorry Mr Yeager.

OK, that has nothing to do with Night Vision, except the first bit. It's good to go slightly off-topic once in a while as long as the thread flows and even if I can't bask in my own glory, reflected glory is the next best thing.
Link Posted: 7/25/2019 11:07:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By cj7hawk:"You know, there's this crazy 'use a CRT' movement in professional gaming, and people who think it makes a difference' thing going on, and that's just people playing COD. What about the people using real guns? I mean, We're going to need to see 200 Hz equivalent screens in NODs before they really take over from analog, because the latency in tubes is nanoseconds. Nanoseconds.
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To say NOTHING about the software "updates" that fucking brick these digital NV devices. I hope there will always be a place for reliable analog tech in this industry. It's a perfect example of when less =more.
Link Posted: 7/25/2019 11:12:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By cj7hawk:
Me? I'm just reading Jojo's posts and thinking, "You know, there's this crazy 'use a CRT' movement in professional gaming, and people who think it makes a difference' thing going on, and that's just people playing COD. What about the people using real guns? I mean, We're going to need to see 200 Hz equivalent screens in NODs before they really take over from analog, because the latency in tubes is nanoseconds. Nanoseconds. Compared to the best digital today still with latency in the 10's of milliseconds at best. More than a thousand times slower. And we're just starting to realize that the eye processes movement and threat information directly and sends this stuff straight to our hands, and milliseconds is too slow.

And I was also feeling a bit put out because I wasn't on the list of cool people and then I remembered the quote from "The Right Stuff" about what you have to do to get your picture on the wall.

Speaking of which, true story. I nearly accidentally killed Chuck Yeager once. No seriously. I heard he was speaking at an event where I was attending, and we were told, no one could ask for autographs, so I thought, screw it, I'll sneak in and ask him for his autograph maybe. What can they do, throw me out? But security was three deep and on all the doors, so I went the back way and found a staff door and somehow made my way in. Walked into the stage area, and no Chuck. He wasn't there. So realizing how much trouble I was gonna be in, I hightailed it out of there real quick, and as I came barrelling out of there through this massive heavy door and BANG, it literally scrapes his nose because he couldn't pull his head back quick enough. The Man. Chuck Yeager himself.

Security is already reaching for weapons or handcuffs or who-knows-what at this point, because a second later and I might have accidentally killed the #1 living legend in the US ( Armstrong is #2 imho ) and everyone is moving in on me like I just went 5 stars on GTA, so I rip my convention pass from my neck, shove my pen into Mr Yeager's hand and say, "Would you please autograph my event pass, My Yeager" and he's absolutely stunned, but now he has my pen and I'm pretty much using him as a human shield against Security, and my cohorts who were supposed to be on the lookout come rushing in, and I ask, "Could I get a picture with that too?" So there I am, shaking hands with the most important man in history. Somewhere, on a disk or storage device buried long ago, taken on a really old Nokia phone camera, is a picture of Me and Chuck Yeager, and he still had the surprised look on his face.

Then he got me out of the shit with security guys, because for a while there they weren't about to let it slide and after that, no one even asked what I was doing in the off-limits area... So if he ever reads this, and still remembers that idiot in Melbourne who couldn't open a door like a normal human being in 2000, sorry Mr Yeager.

OK, that has nothing to do with Night Vision, except the first bit. It's good to go slightly off-topic once in a while as long as the thread flows and even if I can't bask in my own glory, reflected glory is the next best thing.
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I work in audio video and it blows me away how an analog device can still beat the shit out of digital. You're right about video latency. Even our top AV over IP devices can only get 14ms of latency at best. And that's with a 10gig switch backbone.

Also speaking of Yeager.... I have an autographed picture of him in front of a B2 hanging above my desk. Got to shake his hand a long time ago and at the time I was a kid and didnt realize the magnitude of change that guy helped bring about for us.
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Originally Posted By flyboy101:
I’ve been a long time lurker here as well and miss all the tech/ project posts as well as the all people that used to post! I can’t believe it’s been 3 years since finding that killer deal on those DRS E6000s direct from Sierra Olympic and then seeing people make their own pan-tilts using modified Golight housings. Then figuring out how to send serial commands to it to enhance functionality. I think you missed out on that Horta? Or were you still lurking at that time? Hope to see more projects with cooperations like that in the future here.
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I was lurking and picked one of them up and still have it in the original box it came in. I need to make a PT unit out of that, so I should go find that thread. Anyone make a drop-in kit for that? I’d love to put it on my barn out back to remote scan my pasture at night from the comfort of my living room.
Link Posted: 7/25/2019 3:24:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NSFJojo:

Free information for these devices that are to be extinct like vacuum tubes is something the rest of the world will need to have a 100 years from now to understand what it was like for us to use analog eyes. Night vision is the last little bit of magic left in a world full of dry digital recreations illuminated by the soulless LED windows that mock our cones and rods with their devilish blue light. We are the wardens of the obsolete and the protectors of the green and chrome realm. Lights out, Nods down, pinkies up.

We were always meant to see how God intended us to see which is why he gave us stories of the Cyclopes to encourage us to make the pinnacle technology known as the 7, which is also God's number. Coincidence?
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Forum gold right here.
Link Posted: 7/25/2019 3:54:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By KPog:

Forum gold right here.
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Actually, in 100 years we’ll be remembered for dick pics with thermal.
Link Posted: 7/25/2019 5:30:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheHorta:

Actually, in 100 years we’ll be remembered for dick pics with thermal.
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I'm so in
Link Posted: 7/25/2019 7:25:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheHorta:

Actually, in 100 years we’ll be remembered for dick pics with thermal.
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Not in my house.



Link Posted: 7/25/2019 7:32:38 PM EDT
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I remember those!

How is she? She fully recover from her bout with cancer?
Link Posted: 7/25/2019 7:54:28 PM EDT
By the Grace of God, Yes!
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Originally Posted By MrPlayer:

“Can’t we all just get along?”
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If history is a guide, the answer is... Nope...
Link Posted: 7/25/2019 8:51:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By KPog:

Forum gold right here.
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Agreed. That is some funny shit, who knows, maybe "soulless LEDs" could become the NV subforum's very own "I'm foing" or "thrown down a driveway" at some point .

But I can definitely agree there's something special about good old vaccum tube tech. Sadly 30-50 years from now people probably won't even recognize the iconic high pitched whine that gated NV units make (especially Gen1) when they're turned on. Down the line we may be some of the only people who do remember using them when they're put out to pasture, considered obsolete relics and collect dust at an antique store like VCR tapes, tape recorders and typewriters.

SWIR cameras and MWIR cameras are probably the future, electron bombarded CCDs seem promising too. Though I've always wondered if a "cascade" CCD or CMOS camera would work, having multiple capacitor arrays stacked back to back like the old "starlight" PVS-2 and Russian 1PN34 scopes to amplify the electrons available and create greater light amplification, assuming it doesn't cause terrible frame rate, resolution and motion blur and has a screen with the frequency to keep up. But otherwise, thermal imaging used to cost thousands of dollars for a barebones unit with mediocre resolution, sensitivity and detection range. Now there's units that cost under $700 and are light years better than the older "low end" thermal devices, and can also be mounted to a cell phone. SWIR/MWIR cameras right now cost $10k bare minimum, but I have a feeling like thermal, there will be advancements and discoveries made to significantly improve performance and also to hack off the number of digits on the price tag.
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Originally Posted By Blacknite098:

SWIR cameras and MWIR cameras are probably the future
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Not for the Military. They can't detect a whole range of OOB technology and rely on the fact that every night is a full-moon under SWIR.

Once inside, you lose the edge real quick.

Also, MWIR isn't really in the same camp. It's up there with LWIR.

David.
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Originally Posted By cj7hawk:
Not for the Military. They can't detect a whole range of OOB technology and rely on the fact that every night is a full-moon under SWIR.

Once inside, you lose the edge real quick.

Also, MWIR isn't really in the same camp. It's up there with LWIR.

David.
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Thanks for the correction David, seems I'm a little rusty . I've seen some photos and video demonstrations of SWIR/MWIR cameras and was very impressed by their capabilities, I found SWIR interesting because it can detect and magnify from airglow, so even if it's pitch black in the desert with no moon or stars or man-made light, it can still produce a very clear image, unfortunately, as you said, it doesn't work well indoors but even a PVS-14 requires IR illumination in near pitch black environments like that. It would also require it's own special IR illuminator (1000-2000 nanometers) to be able to work indoors. However, wouldn't an SWIR unit and a compatible illuminator, as a side effect of its longer wavelength, have the benefit of being above the spectrum of which an normal NOD can see? In theory even if the enemy force had high end Gen3 autogated equipment, they cannot see your IR, even indoors at close range.

But even if that's true, as you said, the longer wavelength is also a curse because you also cannot detect anything in the NIR wavelength, which could be a liability. This especially comes true when you can't see the IR beam from the sniper shooting at you from 200 meters away and they've got a Dragunov fitted with an old combloc NSP-2 scope.

MWIR from what I saw seemed interesting as well because the photos I had seen were remarkably crisp and clear, it seemed to work better than standard long wave thermal imaging at night time and had a longer detection range, I wondered if it could be useful as a fusion device for both night vision and thermal detection, but being fair, high end LWIR seems to be capable of similar things anyway and MWIR, while impressive, is probably not going to be adequate for simply manuevering in dark environments, normal LWIR thermal isn't really recommended for that task either, its mainly used for detection of animals, people, electronics, heat sources, etc.

Since you've been doing this for much longer than I have, and I've still got some things to learn, what do you think the future of night vision would be? Thank you for the assistance.
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Originally Posted By TheHorta:
It’s an elite club. You’re just jelly.
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Originally Posted By will-1:
Maybe they had all their shit confiscated?
It’s an elite club. You’re just jelly.


Link Posted: 7/26/2019 10:46:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By chosos:
A lot of people got sick of the vendor drama and migrated over to a bunch of closed facebook groups. That is in no way an attack against any specific vendor, because many of you post great tech content to the forum.

That being said, there are some very active facebook nv groups, and I am guessing that is also why these forums got a lot more stale than they were 3-4 years ago. Glad to see Horta posting again, because I felt terrible about how things went down for you. I am just so sick of the dark side of this industry... Some of the diy tech threads on here were outstanding, so hopefully it gets back to what it was.
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greetings to the old timers....

that said, there isn't any interest in diy stuff on here.... I've tried a couple of times, xjronx use to post some stuff, as well as some others I've forgotten. people seem to just want to buy something, or think the stuff is too hard to understand, or what ever.

I still lurk occassionally, but the character of the people on the forum changed. I posted a thread during one of the last tube wars, and it triggered one group of fan boys for a vendor and I got dog piled. so much for being a tech forum....some of those people are still here, pushing their opinions as fact, and everybody else is wrong, etc.

after that, I decided to just post elsewhere
Link Posted: 7/27/2019 5:53:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By cm:

greetings to the old timers....

that said, there isn't any interest in diy stuff on here.... I've tried a couple of times, xjronx use to post some stuff, as well as some others I've forgotten. people seem to just want to buy something, or think the stuff is too hard to understand, or what ever.

I still lurk occassionally, but the character of the people on the forum changed. I posted a thread during one of the last tube wars, and it triggered one group of fan boys for a vendor and I got dog piled. so much for being a tech forum....some of those people are still here, pushing their opinions as fact, and everybody else is wrong, etc.

after that, I decided to just post elsewhere
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Lol the last tube wars was great. I know what you mean about the diy tho we need to be more supportive of each other and less about who sells what
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Originally Posted By NSFJojo:

Lol the last tube wars was great. I know what you mean about the diy tho we need to be more supportive of each other and less about who sells what
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This...

I don’t come here for the vendors (no offense).
Link Posted: 7/27/2019 7:52:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Blacknite098:
Since you've been doing this for much longer than I have, and I've still got some things to learn, what do you think the future of night vision would be? Thank you for the assistance.
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The future? Virtual Multispectral. I'd say that is definitely the future.

It's just a long way off yet.

We'll see lots of EBAPS though, which is kind of SWIR and Gen3 Intensified in one, and technically it's not fusion.

Photonis have their own flavor of Gen3 tech too, not to mention their Multialkali stuff that sees out of band up to around... Well, no one is really sure. I've heard figures as high as 1300 nm. Officially it's 1100nm.

But I think tubes have about another 30 years before they'll be matched.

Meanwhile places like India, Pakistan, Turkey, Taiwan, etc. Anywhere they make chips... I reckon all those places will go SWIR or Thermal, because they can't catch up with intensifiers. Europe will still use Intensifiers as will The US. China may split both ways. Australia will probably go back to Flashlights.

India is the place to watch to see how the future will unfold. They are struggling for some most units to have any night capability at all, even active. As such I think they'll be the general indicate for that part of the world.

David.
Link Posted: 7/27/2019 9:38:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By NSFJojo:
Lol the last tube wars was great. I know what you mean about the diy tho we need to be more supportive of each other and less about who sells what
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Originally Posted By NSFJojo:
Originally Posted By cm:

greetings to the old timers....

that said, there isn't any interest in diy stuff on here.... I've tried a couple of times, xjronx use to post some stuff, as well as some others I've forgotten. people seem to just want to buy something, or think the stuff is too hard to understand, or what ever.

I still lurk occassionally, but the character of the people on the forum changed. I posted a thread during one of the last tube wars, and it triggered one group of fan boys for a vendor and I got dog piled. so much for being a tech forum....some of those people are still here, pushing their opinions as fact, and everybody else is wrong, etc.

after that, I decided to just post elsewhere
Lol the last tube wars was great. I know what you mean about the diy tho we need to be more supportive of each other and less about who sells what
For what its worth I pieced together two pvs14s for myself and my pops with the knowledge gleaned from this forum. DIYers are still out here.
Link Posted: 7/27/2019 3:10:32 PM EDT
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I have noticed a change, as of late myself. But to the OP, I have found the average shelf-life of a "hobbyist" is about 4 years. This is everything from jumping, diving, climbing- anything you care to mention really. People get bored and move on. I would guess the same thing about NV.

Now the kicker is the related drama when you go to these on-line websites. Because we're all not sitting in the same room, like a local club or something, you don't know who you're talking to a lot of times. Instead of just sharing our love of the sport or whatever, you get this competition bullshit that creeps in. Vendors will oftentimes be the main-movers behind these things, because they have a vested interest in seeing peeps educated about it. Competition between vendors heats up. Guys will motherfuck one vendor all day long, and/or pimp out the next guy they happen to like. Or whatever. Point being, lots of folks see this shit, and in addition to growing bored of the hobby, are turned off by all the dickering.

This last point is due to the very nature of the beast. People say all sorts of shit they wouldn't say directly to your face. And if they did, I think lots of times it would go kinetic, and a) maybe have a little more respect for each other, after knocking the shit out of each other, and b) maybe STFU already before it goes all MMA again.

So between these two things, I think you will see a turnover on any site such as this. But I have also seen a regeneration, of sorts, on different sites, if peeps put in the effort, like you see here. So maybe this is just the natural ebb and flow of this medium. I myself have learned much from this site, and although I've faded away and returned, I'd like to see it return to a more information-heavy site and de-emphasize the vendor comp. Oh and of course, world peace.
Link Posted: 7/27/2019 4:37:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Diz:
I have noticed a change, as of late myself. But to the OP, I have found the average shelf-life of a "hobbyist" is about 4 years. This is everything from jumping, diving, climbing- anything you care to mention really. People get bored and move on. I would guess the same thing about NV.

Now the kicker is the related drama when you go to these on-line websites. Because we're all not sitting in the same room, like a local club or something, you don't know who you're talking to a lot of times. Instead of just sharing our love of the sport or whatever, you get this competition bullshit that creeps in. Vendors will oftentimes be the main-movers behind these things, because they have a vested interest in seeing peeps educated about it. Competition between vendors heats up. Guys will motherfuck one vendor all day long, and/or pimp out the next guy they happen to like. Or whatever. Point being, lots of folks see this shit, and in addition to growing bored of the hobby, are turned off by all the dickering.

This last point is due to the very nature of the beast. People say all sorts of shit they wouldn't say directly to your face. And if they did, I think lots of times it would go kinetic, and a) maybe have a little more respect for each other, after knocking the shit out of each other, and b) maybe STFU already before it goes all MMA again.

So between these two things, I think you will see a turnover on any site such as this. But I have also seen a regeneration, of sorts, on different sites, if peeps put in the effort, like you see here. So maybe this is just the natural ebb and flow of this medium. I myself have learned much from this site, and although I've faded away and returned, I'd like to see it return to a more information-heavy site and de-emphasize the vendor comp. Oh and of course, world peace.
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Well said.
Link Posted: 8/2/2019 5:23:25 PM EDT
Don’t forget TDunn. He’s been MIA for a while as well
Link Posted: 8/2/2019 5:37:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DevilWillCry:
Don’t forget TDunn. He’s been MIA for a while as well
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Yeah, he and MM were (are) buds.
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