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Posted: 5/17/2018 10:21:59 AM EDT
[#1]
Call me resentful, but what irritates me the most about this is how many people truly believed DT was holding off on releasing this for all of those years because DT wouldn't release it until it was perfected.
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Posted: 5/17/2018 11:03:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Call me resentful, but what irritates me the most about this is how many people truly believed DT was holding off on releasing this for all of those years because DT wouldn't release it until it was perfected. The only people who deserve some anger is DT themselves not the optimists who overlooked their past shady behavior and half truths, to believe the DT propaganda machine. At the end of the day those optimists did you no harm, at worst they might have bought themselves a lemon that now needs a new accessory (aka gas plug which should be a warranty part to fix a flawed gas system design). Its not like they are believing a lie and pushing for a politician who will put the gun of government coercion to your head so they can pick your pockets, that I would get angry over. But simply believing a company offering an interesting product they had hope for? Lifes too short man, let it go. This thread is toxic enough at times without getting pissed at people for believing spokespeople at face value who they probably shouldn't have given the available evidence at the time. |
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Posted: 5/18/2018 12:08:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No need to resent people for believing a lie. Until you've had someone convincingly bold faced lie to you its a pretty alien thing to a lot of people. Thats why con men (con is short for confidence) are a thing after all. I remember the first time it happened to me I stood up for one of my Joes then latter found out he had lied to me and I smoked his ass until he cried as a result. The only people who deserve some anger is DT themselves not the optimists who overlooked their past shady behavior and half truths, to believe the DT propaganda machine. At the end of the day those optimists did you no harm, at worst they might have bought themselves a lemon that now needs a new accessory (aka gas plug which should be a warranty part to fix a flawed gas system design). Its not like they are believing a lie and pushing for a politician who will put the gun of government coercion to your head so they can pick your pockets, that I would get angry over. But simply believing a company offering an interesting product they had hope for? Lifes too short man, let it go. This thread is toxic enough at times without getting pissed at people for believing spokespeople at face value who they probably shouldn't have given the available evidence at the time. 
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Posted: 5/18/2018 6:18:54 PM EDT
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I'm out.... this thread and this gun are both stupid.
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Posted: 5/19/2018 10:56:39 PM EDT
[#5]
I just want my GB deposit back.
I don't give a fuck anymore. Just want my MOOOOONEEEEYYYYYBAAAAAAAGGGGGGGG! |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 8:47:39 AM EDT
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I just want my GB deposit back. I don't give a fuck anymore. Just want my MOOOOONEEEEYYYYYBAAAAAAAGGGGGGGG! |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 3:38:43 PM EDT
[#7]
SIG is not alone in having MIMed in India internals.
 Attached FileMPIF award winning Powder Metallurgy parts highlight diversity of the technology |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 5:57:59 PM EDT
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SIG is not alone in having MIMed in India internals. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/120201/deserttech-mdr-indomim-550004.JPG MPIF award winning Powder Metallurgy parts highlight diversity of the technology |
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Posted: 5/20/2018 6:35:56 PM EDT
[#9]
India. Awesome.
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Posted: 5/20/2018 11:10:25 PM EDT
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SIG is not alone in having MIMed in India internals. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/120201/deserttech-mdr-indomim-550004.JPG MPIF award winning Powder Metallurgy parts highlight diversity of the technology |
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Posted: 5/21/2018 5:18:30 AM EDT
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India. Awesome. But yeah, you know India has a great and storied history in the development and manufacture of small arms and parts. 
Those stories just happen to be horror stories. 
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Posted: 5/22/2018 1:24:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Makes sense in hindsight. They did say they were using a place other major manufacturers were using and there was a customs issue. I like the gun but I am sad to see dt drop so many balls. Cool gun and concept |
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Posted: 5/25/2018 9:35:58 AM EDT
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Makes you wonder...what is actually American made on this rifle...we know other components are MIM and made in the Asian market. At this point, I can only trace the barrel being made in the US by FAXON and the bolt carrier (I believe that is machined in house by DT).
You'd expect at least the stressed parts like the barrel block and gas block being made from quality forged parts. Using MIM is ok for small parts...they can be made very well now. |
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Posted: 5/25/2018 10:56:06 AM EDT
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"I don't know why you guys are blowing this all out of proportion, just because you thought MIM stood for Metal Injection Molding when clearly DT used the other definition of MIM, namely Mushy Indian Metal!" -Resident DT Apologist
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Posted: 5/25/2018 9:13:53 PM EDT
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I just want my damn group buy refund. I was told that he would pull my file and get started on it last Friday. I sent another email mid-week to see if that was done and when to expect it, but I haven’t received a reply. There has been virtually no communication on the group buy since the deposits were sent and that was a long time ago. This whole thing has benn a mess since day one.
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Posted: 5/26/2018 11:46:04 AM EDT
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"I don't know why you guys are blowing this all out of proportion, just because you thought MIM stood for Metal Injection Molding when clearly DT used the other definition of MIM, namely Mushy Indian Metal!" -Resident DT Apologist Made in Mumbai |
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Posted: 5/26/2018 11:56:28 AM EDT
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I just want my damn group buy refund. I was told that he would pull my file and get started on it last Friday. I sent another email mid-week to see if that was done and when to expect it, but I haven’t received a reply. There has been virtually no communication on the group buy since the deposits were sent and that was a long time ago. This whole thing has benn a mess since day one. |
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Posted: 5/27/2018 10:21:51 AM EDT
[#18]
Have mine here in hand. Was not a pre order as I just waited till dealer locally got one..
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Posted: 5/27/2018 10:44:04 AM EDT
[#19]
I notice that DT has attempted a lot of damage control on the employee review section of Glassdoor in the last week.
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Posted: 5/28/2018 3:39:08 PM EDT
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I notice that DT has attempted a lot of damage control on the employee review section of Glassdoor in the last week. |
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Posted: 6/3/2018 4:43:40 PM EDT
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I just want my damn group buy refund. I was told that he would pull my file and get started on it last Friday. I sent another email mid-week to see if that was done and when to expect it, but I haven’t received a reply. There has been virtually no communication on the group buy since the deposits were sent and that was a long time ago. This whole thing has benn a mess since day one. 
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Posted: 6/3/2018 6:25:01 PM EDT
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SIG is not alone in having MIMed in India internals. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/120201/deserttech-mdr-indomim-550004.JPG MPIF award winning Powder Metallurgy parts highlight diversity of the technology |
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Posted: 6/4/2018 8:25:35 PM EDT
[#23]
It’s June
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Posted: 6/10/2018 6:08:54 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Makes sense in hindsight. They did say they were using a place other major manufacturers were using and there was a customs issue. I like the gun but I am sad to see dt drop so many balls. Cool gun and concept Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SIG is not alone in having MIMed in India internals. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/120201/deserttech-mdr-indomim-550004.JPG MPIF award winning Powder Metallurgy parts highlight diversity of the technology |
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Posted: 6/10/2018 9:19:09 AM EDT
[#25]
Nobody to my knowledge.
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Posted: 6/10/2018 10:18:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Besides SIG, which other manufacturers use Indo-MIM? |
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Posted: 6/10/2018 10:37:51 AM EDT
[#27]
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This... is enough to get me to rethink getting a .50 HTI from DT. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SIG is not alone in having MIMed in India internals. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/120201/deserttech-mdr-indomim-550004.JPG MPIF award winning Powder Metallurgy parts highlight diversity of the technology |
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Posted: 6/11/2018 3:38:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
DT - Delhi Tandoori Firearms Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Besides SIG, which other manufacturers use Indo-MIM?
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Posted: 6/13/2018 1:07:14 AM EDT
[#29]
I have a black MDR .308, low 1500s serial number that I've run eight different brands of .308 and 7.62x51 through in the break in period and just installed and tested the new 6-position gas plug today.
All 145-150gr Three-position gas plug Hirtenberger - Ripped rim, every shot, Adverse and Normal Federal XM80CL Whitebox - Would not cycle through the ejection chute, cycled fine without the port cover on PMC Bronze - Some rim damage 1980s South Korean PMC Surplus M80 - No rim damage Remington UMC - Some rim damage Fiocchi - Some rim damage Sellier & Bellot - Some rim damage Silver Bear - No damage, flawless function Six position gas plug Fiocchi - Cycled with rim damage on position 6 (wide open), cycled on position 3 with rim damage and one torn rim, Position 2 won't cycle out the ejection chute. |
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Posted: 6/13/2018 2:44:07 AM EDT
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I have a black MDR .308, low 1500s serial number that I've run eight different brands of .308 and 7.62x51 through in the break in period and just installed and tested the new 6-position gas plug today. All 145-150gr Three-position gas plug Hirtenberger - Ripped rim, every shot, Adverse and Normal Federal XM80CL Whitebox - Would not cycle through the ejection chute, cycled fine without the port cover on PMC Bronze - Some rim damage 1980s South Korean PMC Surplus M80 - No rim damage Remington UMC - Some rim damage Fiocchi - Some rim damage Sellier & Bellot - Some rim damage Silver Bear - No damage, flawless function Six position gas plug Fiocchi - Cycled with rim damage on position 6 (wide open), cycled on position 3 with rim damage and one torn rim, Position 2 won't cycle out the ejection chute. OP, update the title, it isn't April anymore, it's June. I hate they can't fix them right. I really wanted a .308 one, but I have gotten burned on too many things being an early adopter. I'm poor and have to watch my money now, but if I was still making good money I would have got in on the pre order. I've done it with cars, stereos, guns, musical equipment , cell phones, all kinds of things, so I'd probably have done it with this if I wasn't poor and needed to watch and see how it went. I guess being broke has it's advantages. |
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Posted: 6/13/2018 7:22:26 AM EDT
[#31]
6pos gas block range report
40.5gr Tac, 175smk, LC 1x brass, #34 primer. Surefire Sps-300 Started off on #2. One round, locked back. 2 rounds, fed and locked back. Switched to #1 One round, locked back 2 rounds, fed and locked back Loaded 5 and had stovepipish failure with carrier not moving rearward enough to eject spent case. Switched back to setting 2 and fired 4 remaining. Loaded the remaining of the 20rds from that mag. Made it to #18 and the ejector panel popped loose. Never had that happen before and it jammed the case in between the bolt and charging mechanism. Had to dig it out with a screwdriver. It would bind up the charging mechanism and the tension on the case was never relieved. Cleared that and round 19 stuck in the chamber. I didn't have a cleaning rod with me because I thought I was past that but apparently not. It popped out easily with the weight of the rod when I got home. I hadn't had any stuck case failures in 80 or 100 rounds so this was odd. I was hoping I could get to the bottom of the dead trigger issues I had been having though. It hasn't been out of the safe in 2-3 months. Probably be another 2-3 before I feel like being disappointed again. I wish I would have had good results to report but here we are. |
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Posted: 6/13/2018 10:45:55 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Screw that. I'd be getting my money back. No way I'd pay that kind of money for something that didn't run any better. OP, update the title, it isn't April anymore, it's June. I hate they can't fix them right. I really wanted a .308 one, but I have gotten burned on too many things being an early adopter. I'm poor and have to watch my money now, but if I was still making good money I would have got in on the pre order. I've done it with cars, stereos, guns, musical equipment , cell phones, all kinds of things, so I'd probably have done it with this if I wasn't poor and needed to watch and see how it went. I guess being broke has it's advantages. I also didn't clean it until after the initial break in with the three position gas plug. |
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Posted: 6/13/2018 11:19:08 AM EDT
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6pos gas block range report 40.5gr Tac, 175smk, LC 1x brass, #34 primer. Surefire Sps-300 Started off on #2. One round, locked back. 2 rounds, fed and locked back. Switched to #1 One round, locked back 2 rounds, fed and locked back Loaded 5 and had stovepipish failure with carrier not moving rearward enough to eject spent case. Switched back to setting 2 and fired 4 remaining. Loaded the remaining of the 20rds from that mag. Made it to #18 and the ejector panel popped loose. Never had that happen before and it jammed the case in between the bolt and charging mechanism. Had to dig it out with a screwdriver. It would bind up the charging mechanism and the tension on the case was never relieved. Cleared that and round 19 stuck in the chamber. I didn't have a cleaning rod with me because I thought I was past that but apparently not. It popped out easily with the weight of the rod when I got home. I hadn't had any stuck case failures in 80 or 100 rounds so this was odd. I was hoping I could get to the bottom of the dead trigger issues I had been having though. It hasn't been out of the safe in 2-3 months. Probably be another 2-3 before I feel like being disappointed again. I wish I would have had good results to report but here we are. |
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Posted: 6/13/2018 3:15:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure if I made it clear or not, but just about everything cycled except the Hirtenberger; I think it shoots well enough, but I'm not planning on keeping any of the brass I fire through it. I also didn't clean it until after the initial break in with the three position gas plug. That is no acceptable. If I paid a couple hundred bucks for a rifle and it did that, I'd work on fixing it, maybe put up with it as a beater, but for a $2000 gun, that is totally unacceptable. Those guns were meant to be and advertised and ultra reliable military grade guns. They aren't. They're far, far from it. I'd expect it from Century International, but Desert Tech, no way. |
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Posted: 6/13/2018 3:46:27 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if you don't reload or keep the brass, the problem is that if it is damaging rims, it is being hard on the extractor too. You're going to wind up with extractor damage. Also, if it's likely that you're going to damage some maker's brass enough that you will rip rims off, or the extractor will be damaged and start slipping off. Brass hardness can and does vary from lot to lot from the same manufacturer, and you might have a brand that works this time, but the next lot you might have brass that is soft enough that the rim gets ripped off and you have failures to extract. That is no acceptable. If I paid a couple hundred bucks for a rifle and it did that, I'd work on fixing it, maybe put up with it as a beater, but for a $2000 gun, that is totally unacceptable. Those guns were meant to be and advertised and ultra reliable military grade guns. They aren't. They're far, far from it. I'd expect it from Century International, but Desert Tech, no way. While the challenge of release a whole new design is a big feat....it shouldn't have been released in its current form...but that is just me. Once the Tavor 7 is released...we shall see how it stacks up. |
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Posted: 6/15/2018 12:20:21 AM EDT
[#36]
It appears as though DT is doing a PR "damage control-esque" type Q & A with their CEO on bullpup forum.
I wonder 1. Why and 2. Why now? |
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Posted: 6/15/2018 12:57:47 AM EDT
[#37]
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It appears as though DT is doing a PR "damage control-esque" type Q & A with their CEO on bullpup forum. I wonder 1. Why and 2. Why now? |
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Posted: 6/15/2018 1:59:07 AM EDT
[#38]
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It appears as though DT is doing a PR "damage control-esque" type Q & A with their CEO on bullpup forum. I wonder 1. Why and 2. Why now?
This isn’t the first time he’s publicly bashed competing manufacturers that have said nothing about DT either. Trashy. |
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Posted: 6/15/2018 1:49:04 PM EDT
[#39]
Yeah I am not going to respond to the post he made about other 308s.
While I respect him to open up a Q&A...but to me...that was low coming from the CEO of a company...imagine if the CEO of HK, LMT and FN did the same...o wait...they wouldn't...they have class. Just because people scrutinize the MDR and other platforms...employees of such companies need to stay out it. Quite frankly...I thought that response was very unprofessional coming from the CEO of DT. Thinking that the MDR is better than the battle proven platforms such as the SCAR, G3, HK417 and the LMT is freaking laughable to me...all of those rifles have been been adopted by many military and LE forces...and have seen actual military field op use. Wait...once the .223 MDR is released, it will be better than the HK 416, BREN 805, LMT MARS-L and the SCAR-L....just wait. O well...I think the Tavor 7 is going to eat its lunch when it comes to market share and reliability. I think with the T7 coming is one of the reasons why he opened up the Q&A so that people get some false hopes so they do not sell off their MDRs or cancel more of their preorders.... |
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Posted: 6/15/2018 2:06:02 PM EDT
[#40]
Yea he glossed over my main point that all those guns pretty much just run with anything you feed them while the mdr chokes, drops mags, etc.
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Posted: 6/15/2018 2:13:53 PM EDT
[#41]
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Yea he glossed over my main point that all those guns pretty much just run with anything you feed them while the mdr chokes, drops mags, etc. I am pretty dead set now on giving up my LMT MWS for the Tavor 7 after this little stunt from him. As long as the Tavor 7 is reliable. |
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Posted: 6/15/2018 7:07:48 PM EDT
[#42]
Link or copy paste?
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Posted: 6/15/2018 7:14:21 PM EDT
[#43]
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It appears as though DT is doing a PR "damage control-esque" type Q & A with their CEO on bullpup forum. I wonder 1. Why and 2. Why now? |
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Posted: 6/15/2018 7:17:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And it’s already going predictably. He’s getting valid questions as well as valid complaints, and responding to both poorly. Then he makes a bizarre move by stating he’s not bashing the competition, and then proceeding to bash several competitors by name. Apparently companies like LMT, HK, IWI, and FN should be taking notes on how to make rifles from DT.
This isn’t the first time he’s publicly bashed competing manufacturers that have said nothing about DT either. Trashy. At least that was how I read it at 1AM this morning. |
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Posted: 6/15/2018 8:04:32 PM EDT
[#45]
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...sarcasm about how it seems like every thing that has gone wrong with the MDR is blown out of proportion... |
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Posted: 6/15/2018 9:10:18 PM EDT
[#46]
If that was sarcasm on his part, I suppose that is par-for-the-course with Nick. His ability to respond appropriately has been questioned before.
At this point, he'd be better of giving CBM a raise and some more info to dispense. At least, CBM has been one of the few aspects that has been reliable when it comes to MDR info and discussion. |
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Posted: 6/16/2018 9:26:47 AM EDT
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HK G3, this is the hardest recoiling .308 win I have ever shot, I love the G3 it is 100% reliable all the time with everything due to it being a extremely heavy steel receiver rifle which allows it to have one setting which is extremely over gassing the ejection. They can do this because they have an extractor claw that has substantially more engagement than other rifles, that is why their over gasing doesn't rip the rims. As a result it feeds everything but kicks the snot out of you. It also folds brass in half when it hits the ejection port and flings it 20+ yards in front of you. I have personally owned an HK 91, 93, 94, SP89, 53, PSG1, and MSG90 so I am very familiar with these rifles. |
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Posted: 6/16/2018 10:48:07 AM EDT
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Wow, It's a good thing this guy is just a CEO and not a firearms designer. His statements above make me seriously doubt this statement he made below. If he's very familiar with these rifles, perhaps he can explain how a rifle with No gas system is over gassed? Quote HistoryQuoted:
HK G3, this is the hardest recoiling .308 win I have ever shot, I love the G3 it is 100% reliable all the time with everything due to it being a extremely heavy steel receiver rifle which allows it to have one setting which is extremely over gassing the ejection. They can do this because they have an extractor claw that has substantially more engagement than other rifles, that is why their over gasing doesn't rip the rims. As a result it feeds everything but kicks the snot out of you. It also folds brass in half when it hits the ejection port and flings it 20+ yards in front of you. I have personally owned an HK 91, 93, 94, SP89, 53, PSG1, and MSG90 so I am very familiar with these rifles. |
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Posted: 6/16/2018 11:24:11 AM EDT
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Wow, It's a good thing this guy is just a CEO and not a firearms designer. His statements above make me seriously doubt this statement he made below. If he's very familiar with these rifles, perhaps he can explain how a rifle with No gas system is over gassed? Quote HistoryQuoted:
HK G3, this is the hardest recoiling .308 win I have ever shot, I love the G3 it is 100% reliable all the time with everything due to it being a extremely heavy steel receiver rifle which allows it to have one setting which is extremely over gassing the ejection. They can do this because they have an extractor claw that has substantially more engagement than other rifles, that is why their over gasing doesn't rip the rims. As a result it feeds everything but kicks the snot out of you. It also folds brass in half when it hits the ejection port and flings it 20+ yards in front of you. I have personally owned an HK 91, 93, 94, SP89, 53, PSG1, and MSG90 so I am very familiar with these rifles. I get his counters to other rifles were sarcasm he even said as much in his post but.... it came off like a know it all college kid lecturing someone who has been working in the field they are majoring in for decades on how it is in the real world. All the rifles he critiqued have real military usage and some of them a pretty substantial combat pedegree. His rifle is brand new, years late, and has lots of problems reported as well as being extremely ammo sensitive for a “battle rifle”. It will be interesting to see if he answers any hardball questions instead of acting like it’s the first time he’s heard of issues that people have complained about for months (like the magazine well not being compatible with many sr25 pattern mags). Or falling back to the let me ask my engineers maneuver. Or the call me personally maneuver (really like that’s going to solve a issue that should have been discovered in the r&d process). To me the blaming ammo thing reminded me of the old horror stories about Todd Bailey and his antics of always blame the customer. |
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Posted: 6/16/2018 1:10:36 PM EDT
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I think his responses, even though sarcastic...were unprofessional and shouldn't come out of any firearm CEO's mouth...no matter how bad you feel that your platform is choking and not living up to the expectations that were set to the marketplace.
The MDR is nothing but a niche, bench shooting gun for tactical pajama ninjas that want to be cool with their friends...can it be a serious battle rifle...it certainly has the design to do so...but there are still many issues (which can be solved) that compounds into a snow ball effect. So far, I think there is only one reported user that has over 700 rounds of trouble free shooting with the MDR outside of DT facility...everyone else has not even come close to that. Those are not very good odds. I know if I had a good working MDR...I would be reporting it all over the internet to help out the brand. Not very good odds. You ever wonder why well known online bloggers haven't really reviewed the MDR? or just random users making videos about it? It has been released for quite a while.... Remember the In Range video...they stated that all preorders will be filled by May....well its June......still nothing. |
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