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Posted: 3/3/2010 8:21:44 AM EDT
I'm looking at setting up an auto shotgun for defense and the options I was looking at where Either a Remington 11-87 and upgrade it, 11-87 police model(i would assume has stronger parts), Benelli M4 or Benelli M2. Just wonderings pros and cons of these options. I have always exclusively used Remmies but I have became fond of the Benellis.
Link Posted: 3/3/2010 8:57:14 AM EDT
if i was goin to use an auto for defense i would pick the M4....but you will be limited to 4 in the tube unless you dont care about the 922r bullshit...then you can get a full length mag tube...
Link Posted: 3/3/2010 9:00:30 AM EDT
Preban M1 Super 90 or a Remington 1100.
Link Posted: 3/3/2010 9:30:10 AM EDT
I have a 1100.
It has 10 shot tube
Side Saddle and Ghost Ring Sights
I use it for three gun match!
I would not rule it out as a HD shotgun.
It is very reliable. Shoots great!
It would not be my first chose!
I like a pump. Besides the 1100 is darn heave!
How heavey are any of the Benellis?
Does wt matter to you?
Let us know what you do.

PITA45
Link Posted: 3/3/2010 12:01:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MattNificent:
if i was goin to use an auto for defense i would pick the M4....but you will be limited to 4 in the tube unless you dont care about the 922r bullshit...then you can get a full length mag tube...


5 in the tube, 1 on the carrier, and 1 in the chamber. Capacity is 7 with the stock mag tube, 9 with an aftermarket tube.

Link Posted: 3/3/2010 1:29:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/3/2010 1:33:44 PM EDT by Gravity3694]
I would pick the M4 over the 11-87 since it is able to fire any shell without adjustment to the gas system. The police model 11-87s take full power buckshot to reliably function. You also have O rings to replace every once in a while. M4s are nearly maintenance free. The M4 may be pricey, but it's worth it. I bought one last year and love it.

The only downside is that with an M4 there's only one barrel, and sight design. Of course this would only matter to you if you were going to use it as a multipurpose shotgun.
Link Posted: 3/3/2010 2:33:00 PM EDT
I like the Benelli. If for no other reason, the neglect the chrome bolt/chamber affords. A new M2 off the shelf is fine .
I have had M1 's and currently an M2. Happy with it.
Link Posted: 3/3/2010 3:25:36 PM EDT
Benelli all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!

I own six M1 Super 90s and ZERO Remington semi autos. I used to own 1100s, but after buying my first Benelli the 1100 was sent packing.

Benelli shotguns are lighter, faster, more reliable, and come with features that are standard unlike the Remington which are extras.

The only thing Remington has going for it IMO is a greater amount of aftermarket parts and a more affordable price. But the Remington 1100 and 1187 are no longer "working man's gun" what is the MSRP of the 1100 TAC-4? $950? well a Benelli M2 is only a few hundred more.


Benelli vs FN or Benelli vs Beretta or Benelli vs. Winchester/Browning may be a tough call, but Benelli vs. Remington without a doubt the Benelli is the winner in that match up.


Link Posted: 3/3/2010 6:08:39 PM EDT
Benelli hands down. The mag isnt that big a deal, from what i read you can run a larger mag and be compliant. If i miss read the M4 still has a 6 round capacity off the shelf. I dont know about the M2 though.
Link Posted: 3/3/2010 6:54:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cchurchi:
Originally Posted By MattNificent:
if i was goin to use an auto for defense i would pick the M4....but you will be limited to 4 in the tube unless you dont care about the 922r bullshit...then you can get a full length mag tube...


5 in the tube, 1 on the carrier, and 1 in the chamber. Capacity is 7 with the stock mag tube, 9 with an aftermarket tube.



5 in the tube, i stand corrected...
Link Posted: 3/3/2010 7:24:06 PM EDT
Benelli M1 or M2. you have more options than the M4. Look at the gun most 3-gun shooters run, a m1 or m2 field with 22 or 24" barrel, a Nordic tube to give you 8+1 or 9+1, add a 3 gun gear 8 rd side saddle. If you want, add a flip up rear sight. It will do anything you want to do.
jmo
Link Posted: 3/4/2010 4:56:00 AM EDT
I've had the 1187P and M2, and strongly advise to get the M2. While the 1187P to me had a little better recoil control, the M2 was much more reliable. I could shoot almost anything through it with 100% reliability, the 1187 would only take 1 3" very high power load to cycle.
Link Posted: 3/4/2010 6:23:46 AM EDT
I haven't got to shoot a Benelli M4 but I did non-sexually fondle one yesterday and I really like the gun in looks, function, and ergonomics. I've got a 20gauge 1100 Remmie but it's just a skeet gun. Used 11-87s of my buddies quite abit before as well. I've heard the 11-87s knocked abit for reliability with lighter loads, although I've never personally had failures from one with light target shells. Only reason I even want another tactical shotgun is for the heck of it. I currently have a well equipped 870. I just have an itch for an auto. I just don't know what benelli I like the most.
Link Posted: 3/4/2010 11:02:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/4/2010 4:11:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By texastactical:
Originally Posted By 2006highsierra:
I did non-sexually fondle one .


Me thinks he doth protest too much.


I sexually molest mine when I take it to the range. The COC hammer is coming for us.
Link Posted: 3/6/2010 5:06:06 AM EDT
I am still trying to figure out how to ghost load my m1 and m4. can anyone give me a web site or something that would show me how to do it.?
Link Posted: 3/6/2010 8:49:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2010 8:50:29 AM EDT by MEK]
Originally Posted By rundm:
I am still trying to figure out how to ghost load my m1 and m4. can anyone give me a web site or something that would show me how to do it.?


Close the bolt. Fully load the magazine.

Pull the bolt back far enough to get a round in the ejection port. Push it down onto the shell lifter, tilting the nose down first, then the rear. When the shell goes all the way into position you will feel the rear of it click into place. Then poke a round into the chamber and let the bolt slide forward over the top of the first round, fully chambering the second.

You now have a full magazine, a shell on the lifter, and a shell in the chamber.
Link Posted: 3/6/2010 9:00:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2010 11:51:58 AM EDT by Gravity3694]

Originally Posted By rundm:
I am still trying to figure out how to ghost load my m1 and m4. can anyone give me a web site or something that would show me how to do it.?

The key is to only pull the bolt back only so far that it doesn't engage the shell elevator.
Link Posted: 3/6/2010 11:45:40 AM EDT
It does mot work on the M2, M4 and newer M1's without a slight mod to the bolt carrier. It will work on all HK marked guns. You may find a video on you tube. It's easy if you see it done.
Link Posted: 3/6/2010 1:38:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 3-gun:
It does mot work on the M2, M4 and newer M1's without a slight mod to the bolt carrier. It will work on all HK marked guns. You may find a video on you tube. It's easy if you see it done.


I bought a new M4 six months ago, and I can ghost load. No bolt carrier mod required.

Link Posted: 3/6/2010 2:12:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2010 2:13:42 PM EDT by JTR8541]
After lotsa shooting of many shotguns I've come to one very solid conclusion... a Defensive (or Combat) shotgun is a pump-action shotgun.

Personally, I like the 870.
Link Posted: 3/6/2010 2:50:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JTR8541:
After lotsa shooting of many shotguns I've come to one very solid conclusion... a Defensive (or Combat) shotgun is a pump-action shotgun.

Personally, I like the 870.


Not at all. A shotgun you're going to drag through the mud and beat the ever lovin' shit out of during combat? Sure, use a pump. For a shotgun that rests comfortably next to the bed every night between the occasional 3-gun match? Semi-auto every time.
Link Posted: 3/6/2010 4:30:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cchurchi:
Originally Posted By 3-gun:
It does mot work on the M2, M4 and newer M1's without a slight mod to the bolt carrier. It will work on all HK marked guns. You may find a video on you tube. It's easy if you see it done.


I bought a new M4 six months ago, and I can ghost load. No bolt carrier mod required.



I stand corrected, I thought the carrier on the M4 had the cut like the M2.
It took longer to get the bolt out of the gun than it did to fix the carrier.
I like 8+1+1
Link Posted: 3/6/2010 7:16:46 PM EDT
Looks like Benelli has more votes than Remington
Link Posted: 3/6/2010 7:27:23 PM EDT
My dept has two 11-87P 14 inchers that suck bad. Heavy and unreliable. Our Benelli M1 works great. I love the 870 but would stay away from the 11-87.
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 4:10:18 PM EDT
Out of curiousity, as far as the benellis go, everybody seems to recommend the M1, M2, or M4. Is there a specific reason that the M3 gets skipped?
I was under the impression it was basically the same auto system with a pump system added, maybe it's the price of the M3s that makes the difference?
Link Posted: 3/9/2010 4:21:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cz357:
Out of curiousity, as far as the benellis go, everybody seems to recommend the M1, M2, or M4. Is there a specific reason that the M3 gets skipped?
I was under the impression it was basically the same auto system with a pump system added, maybe it's the price of the M3s that makes the difference?

Some people see the pump as redundant.
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