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Link Posted: 10/19/2018 1:49:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2018 1:49:50 AM EST by carlos87]
Where are the counterweight that fit in the nightcap's back pocket?

I love the nightcap, usually just throw batteries back there for some weight. Cannot mount a light on the side, but get the Petzl STRIX-IR clipped to a backpack strap, for foot navigation in rocky or steep areas
Link Posted: 10/19/2018 3:46:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2018 1:03:44 PM EST by MunnyShot]
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Originally Posted By carlos87:
Where are the counterweight that fit in the nightcap's back pocket?

I love the nightcap, usually just throw batteries back there for some weight. Cannot mount a light on the side, but get the Petzl STRIX-IR clipped to a backpack strap, for foot navigation in rocky or steep areas
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For a counter weight I use fishing weights in a small thick ziplock bag. As for a light I use either a Streamlight Sidewinder II with the headlamp strap around my neck or a Princeton Tech light inside of the cable pocket


Link Posted: 11/14/2018 7:09:03 AM EST
I guess pics of a a PVS-7 is all it takes to kill the conversation.
Link Posted: 11/15/2018 7:53:55 PM EST
I like my nightcap, but has anyone else noticed that the straps are awfully short? I don't have a big head, and I had to max out the adjustment on my straps to get them to buckle under my chin.
Link Posted: 11/15/2018 8:04:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/15/2018 8:05:04 PM EST by mhbaker81]
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Originally Posted By alemonkey:
I like my nightcap, but has anyone else noticed that the straps are awfully short? I don't have a big head, and I had to max out the adjustment on my straps to get them to buckle under my chin.
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Nah mang. I'm able to cinch mine down about halfway. It's a large. Pretty big dome, too. Consistency with sizing and symmetry seems to be an issue every so often with these.
Link Posted: 11/15/2018 11:18:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By alemonkey:
I like my nightcap, but has anyone else noticed that the straps are awfully short? I don't have a big head, and I had to max out the adjustment on my straps to get them to buckle under my chin.
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Yep, same here. It just barely fits.
Link Posted: 11/18/2018 7:27:45 PM EST
I would not pay attention to the people saying it is too small. I wear an XL helmet, 24" head circumference, 7 5/8 hat size. I had to take it in just a tad all over. The limit is about a 7 3/4 hat size. I have found most people who complain about chin strap length are not allowing the chin strap to sit propperly lop sided, which it must do to fit one size fits all or they dont open up the top. If you wear a size 8 hat or have 25" head circumference I'd be concerned because it likely wont fit.
Link Posted: 11/19/2018 6:26:30 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/19/2018 6:27:33 AM EST by sjlmd]
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Originally Posted By DevL:
I would not pay attention to the people saying it is too small. I wear an XL helmet, 24" head circumference, 7 5/8 hat size. I had to take it in just a tad all over. The limit is about a 7 3/4 hat size. I have found most people who complain about chin strap length are not allowing the chin strap to sit propperly lop sided, which it must do to fit one size fits all or they dont open up the top. If you wear a size 8 hat or have 25" head circumference I'd be concerned because it likely wont fit.
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I'd venture to guess that there is a lot of inconsistency in the manufacture of these things. My head is about the size of yours, but the straps on mine are so short, that I can't use it. I can just barely buckle it with every strap on it let all the way out.

Others seem to have no problems, so, it seems hit or miss.

I bought mine from Crye earlier this year btw, so maybe they've changed over time?
Link Posted: 11/22/2018 7:53:17 AM EST
To answer OP's original question:

It really comes down to what you need it to do.

Helmets, or even the Ops Core Skull, are the platforms for mounting NVG's. Period. If you want to mount an NVG comfortably, you need it on a bucket.

That said, the Crye Night Cap serves a very, very specific purpose: The ability to always have your NOD on you. Helmets are large and take up space. The Nightcap? Not so much. If you are in a situation where space is at an absolute premium but need the ability to deploy a NOD then the Night Cap fills that role. If you ever have seen those videos of guys who have SBR's tucked away inside a small back pack and can whip it out if needed? It's basically the night vision equivalent of that.

We had to do a number of mods to make ours comfortable for use for long periods of time but once again thats not really the point of the system.

It also makes a great loaner platform if you have something like MOD-3's that can be split up and need something a buddy can use.
Link Posted: 11/26/2018 2:30:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Deltastone:
To answer OP's original question:

It really comes down to what you need it to do.

Helmets, or even the Ops Core Skull, are the platforms for mounting NVG's. Period. If you want to mount an NVG comfortably, you need it on a bucket.

That said, the Crye Night Cap serves a very, very specific purpose: The ability to always have your NOD on you. Helmets are large and take up space. The Nightcap? Not so much. If you are in a situation where space is at an absolute premium but need the ability to deploy a NOD then the Night Cap fills that role. If you ever have seen those videos of guys who have SBR's tucked away inside a small back pack and can whip it out if needed? It's basically the night vision equivalent of that.

We had to do a number of mods to make ours comfortable for use for long periods of time but once again thats not really the point of the system.

It also makes a great loaner platform if you have something like MOD-3's that can be split up and need something a buddy can use.
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Meh, YMMV.

I use the Nightcap all night, all the time, and I have no problems. My Ops Core Bump has so much dust on it, I really shouldn't call it MultiCam anymore.
Link Posted: 1/21/2019 5:31:27 PM EST
I think the concept is sound, but the execution was...sketchy. I ended up practically re-building the whole thing. Including the whole suspension system, which just didn't seem to fit right. Not just adjustment but the geometry of the design. So after you tighten up the fit, and get a suspension that works with you, I think it works really well. So if you have capability, or access to capability to modify it, it will work well for you. In my case this is not a problem; for others it may be.

So custom-fitting a skull cap to all the various head sizes/shapes out there seems to be more difficult than a hard shell helmet. At least I don't see guys posting up about helmets not fitting the way you see Night Caps being commented on. One of the key differences is the Night Cap has an even base around the circumference, versus the extended rear shell on a helmet. So the rear strap geometry is different, wrapping around the nape of your neck. And I think this is what causes some guys trouble. In my case I totally changed both the intersect point and the angle of the front and back straps, as they come together and form the chin bucket. I also have a long, oval-shaped head, so granted that is a factor. But point being it may be more difficult to fit a skull cap than a helmet.

There are others who seem to have improved upon the design, but you pay for that as well. Now you're not really saving anything, versus a bump helmet. The choice is now for your specific application, like low-profile, light weight, etc.

So yeah, I really like mine, but it did require extensive modification, and it's probably not for everybody, just to save a few bucks. But if you have a need, and can do some mods, it's GTG.
Link Posted: 2/10/2019 6:42:06 PM EST
I got one of the first runs of these things back in the day and I used it with 15s for an extended training exercise. It was way better than the ballistic ops core that I would have had to wear in its absence. Fast foreword to this evening, I finally purchased a PVS-14 and a Rhino 2, and this thing is the kitties titties for a 14. It is super light and does everything I need it to. Now I just need to find a way to put a small IR flashlight on it, and I’m good to go
Link Posted: 2/10/2019 8:27:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/10/2019 8:28:55 PM EST by MunnyShot]
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Originally Posted By mban2:
I got one of the first runs of these things back in the day and I used it with 15s for an extended training exercise. It was way better than the ballistic ops core that I would have had to wear in its absence. Fast foreword to this evening, I finally purchased a PVS-14 and a Rhino 2, and this thing is the kitties titties for a 14. It is super light and does everything I need it to. Now I just need to find a way to put a small IR flashlight on it, and I’m good to go
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I have a Princeton Tec IR light on the right side of my nightcap where the cable run pocket. A SureFire V1 "IR and white light" also works well in the same location.
Link Posted: 2/11/2019 12:20:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DevL:
I would not pay attention to the people saying it is too small. I wear an XL helmet, 24" head circumference, 7 5/8 hat size. I had to take it in just a tad all over. The limit is about a 7 3/4 hat size. I have found most people who complain about chin strap length are not allowing the chin strap to sit propperly lop sided, which it must do to fit one size fits all or they dont open up the top. If you wear a size 8 hat or have 25" head circumference I'd be concerned because it likely wont fit.
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Yes because those of us with problems are just making it up. Ignore us, the product is perfect.
Link Posted: 2/11/2019 12:22:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MunnyShot:

I have a Princeton Tec IR light on the right side of my nightcap where the cable run pocket. A SureFire V1 "IR and white light" also works well in the same location.
https://i.imgur.com/SuvMgxI.jpg
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Thats a neat light, but looks like its only 10 lumens? Does that help much with walking around and such?
Link Posted: 2/11/2019 4:23:55 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 2JokersWild:
Thats a neat light, but looks like its only 10 lumens? Does that help much with walking around and such?
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I think you'd be better off just using your on board built in IR instead. The one pictured is more of a low signature task light. Although Princeton Tec dose does have higher dual color output clip lights with IR, blue, green, red, white etc. If you're looking for something for hiking look at a Surefire V1 that has both IR and white built into 1 unit. The can be found on Ebay for 149.00 brand new.
Link Posted: 2/11/2019 5:55:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 2JokersWild:
Yes because those of us with problems are just making it up. Ignore us, the product is perfect.
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I think it's just like most specialty head gear - it varies from person to person (and likely even lot to lot, as is the case with the reports of too short straps). We all have different shaped heads and are mounting different gear for different needs.

I'd think that if someone got some out of spec straps, Crye and/or the retailer would probably swap it out.

I had a 700 helmet that I just could NOT make fit right for the life of me, gave it to a buddy and he swears by it. By the same token, I'd cut any mf that tried to take my nightcap from me - I'm more protective of it than my high dollar ballistic helmets or bump helmets, I just spend a WHOLE LOT MORE TIME under the nightcap and it's far more comfortable TO ME....

The only time I DON'T wear the nightcap is when I'm bridged and need external power, I just slip on the bump and go with it. But even then, I miss the nightcap.
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