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Posted: 6/22/2023 2:28:44 PM EST
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After many years of putting off dealing with the requirements, finally got my C&R and GCA membership and sent off all the paperwork today for an RM1EXPERT sku.  Don't really care if it's Springfield or HRA, just wanted to finally scratch the itch of badly wanting an M1 Garand, one that I can take out and shoot once in a while with a buddy that also has one.

Any of you recently receive an expert grade, and does the condition still seem to be slipping?  Seems there have been a lot of reports around the interet of poor quality or significant pitting over the last few years, so of course I'm a little concerned.  Went with expert over rack for a reason.

Bonus question: Seems the M1 Carbines and 1903s have been out of stock for some time now.  Will they ever offer those again or am I better off hitting up EE or gunbroker?
fnh
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 3:00:11 PM EST
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Reports on service grades have been more promising. I would gamble on one of those than an expert. The reason is the experts receiver was probably in worse condition and needed reparked.

You won’t see carbines and 1903’s mail in. Maybe 1903’s in the stores.

Link Posted: 6/22/2023 3:06:50 PM EST
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I bought an H&R expert at the South store in late May and am very happy with it. Took my son as it was a bucket list father son trip for me. I wasn't happy with paying the 10% sales tax but got a case of Lake City M2 to go with it.

There was a rack of '03's priced at $750 apiece but the stocks and chromed bolts I saw were a turn off. I watched a '17 get snatched up and sold within seconds of me setting it down.
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 3:52:35 PM EST
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Already sent off the paperwork this morning, so it'll be an expert.  My understanding, based on what CMP says on their website and on the expert listings, is that expert is just a service grade with new barrel and stock.  Wouldn't that mean that either grade could have whooped or reparkerized receivers?

Going to the store isn't an option, at least not anytime soon.  Bit of a drive from western MO.  I'll make the trip one day.
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 6:07:36 PM EST
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I just received a service grade last week.  1.4 mill serial number barrel with a ME 2, TE 2.  New CMP stock, mix of other parts.  For $900 Service grade is a better deal than the expert grades.  I ordered a rack grade last year and it was rough. Check out the CMP forums, lots of nice service grades being sent out via mail order
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 6:11:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By VTGoat:
I just received a service grade last week.  1.4 mill serial number barrel with a ME 2, TE 2.  New CMP stock, mix of other parts.  For $900 Service grade is a better deal than the expert grades.  I ordered a rack grade last year and it was rough. Check out the CMP forums, lots of nice service grades being sent out via mail order
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I was on the fence for a few days between service and expert, but caved and figured the extra 200 for a brand new 0/0 barrel and new stock wasn't bad.  Plus I wasn't too concerned with having a bunch of original or matching parts.
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 6:59:21 PM EST
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Also they have surplus 30-06 on the CMP estore 400 rounds in an ammo can for a little over $400 shipped.
Link Posted: 6/22/2023 10:48:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By VTGoat:
I just received a service grade last week.  1.4 mill serial number barrel with a ME 2, TE 2.  New CMP stock, mix of other parts.  For $900 Service grade is a better deal than the expert grades.  I ordered a rack grade last year and it was rough. Check out the CMP forums, lots of nice service grades being sent out via mail order
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Any pictures of your new service grade? Any pitting? I've been on the fence about ordering a service grade to go along with the Expert I had Fulton Armory tweak and repark. I've been hearing the batch this year has been better than a couple I got last year and was forced to sell due to a job loss beginning of the year (back to work now)
Link Posted: 6/23/2023 7:13:38 AM EST
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Here are some photos

https://imgur.com/a/FDe9Kj6
Link Posted: 6/23/2023 7:54:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By VTGoat:
Here are some photos

https://imgur.com/a/FDe9Kj6
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Score, nice rifle!
Link Posted: 6/23/2023 9:01:47 AM EST
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Originally Posted By pepe-lepew:
Reports on service grades have been more promising. I would gamble on one of those than an expert. The reason is the experts receiver was probably in worse condition and needed reparked.

You won’t see carbines and 1903’s mail in. Maybe 1903’s in the stores.

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They had 10 M1903A3s in the S. store this morning.  All are chromed.
Link Posted: 6/23/2023 9:08:12 AM EST
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They had 10 M1903A3s in the S. store this morning.  All are chromed.
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I see "chromed" mentioned sometimes when discussing 1903s, do they have chrome-lined barrels or are these ceremonial or drill rifles that have chrome/nickle plated receivers and barrels?

Found pictures of the latter, and unless I scored a really awesome deal on one to offset the cost of having it stripped and repark'd, hard no.
Link Posted: 6/23/2023 9:35:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By VTGoat:
Here are some photos

https://imgur.com/a/FDe9Kj6
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Nice. I wish I could justify getting another Garand but I keep telling myself 1 is enough and my Expert is like a new rifle after Fulton Armory tuned it up

https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Happiness-Is--2-Guns-Returned-from-Fulton-Armory-the-same-Day/6-542535/
Link Posted: 6/23/2023 10:27:32 AM EST
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Prices keep going up on them and they will probably never be cheaper buying them from the CMP while they are still available
Link Posted: 6/23/2023 11:09:33 AM EST
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Originally Posted By johnny_dot_exe:
I see "chromed" mentioned sometimes when discussing 1903s, do they have chrome-lined barrels or are these ceremonial or drill rifles that have chrome/nickle plated receivers and barrels?

Found pictures of the latter, and unless I scored a really awesome deal on one to offset the cost of having it stripped and repark'd, hard no.
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Originally Posted By johnny_dot_exe:
I see "chromed" mentioned sometimes when discussing 1903s, do they have chrome-lined barrels or are these ceremonial or drill rifles that have chrome/nickle plated receivers and barrels?

Found pictures of the latter, and unless I scored a really awesome deal on one to offset the cost of having it stripped and repark'd, hard no.



Chromed as in parade rifles.






Originally Posted By DonFlynn:



Nice. I wish I could justify getting another Garand but I keep telling myself 1 is enough and my Expert is like a new rifle after Fulton Armory tuned it up

https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Happiness-Is--2-Guns-Returned-from-Fulton-Armory-the-same-Day/6-542535/


No such thing as too many Garands.  I started with "I just want a WWII Garand".  Then I went just one of each manufacturer to one from each time period to a few major variations to I need to be able to have groups of three for proper stacking.
Link Posted: 6/23/2023 6:56:10 PM EST
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Like the hard-core Jeepers say, … “Chrome won’t get you home!”

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Link Posted: 6/25/2023 8:30:46 AM EST
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I received my expert about a month ago.  Almost everything has been refinished, there is pitting underneath the park on the common areas, and I believe a handful of the small parts are new/commercial production.  I was in the same boat as you.  First garand, wanted a shooter, and followed the wisdom of buying the best I could afford.  Everything can be replaced other than the receiver after all.  Wouldn't say I regret my purchase, but I'm not in love with it.  Ended up purchasing a field grade through somebody else for a rifle that had the been there - done that look.

Edit:  Meant receiver, not barrel.



Link Posted: 6/25/2023 8:35:25 AM EST
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Beautiful rifles.

I'm in the same boat, expert would be a great shooter and good way to learn the firearm, but I think I'm going to end up getting a field or rack grade eventually.  The only thing that scares me is rust, or having something severely shot out, beyond my capability of fixing.
Link Posted: 6/25/2023 9:46:18 AM EST
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I received my expert grade last month , Springfield receiver made in July 44 . No pitting anywhere. This is my first M1 garand .. I also have 1911 in the queue .
Link Posted: 6/25/2023 7:16:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By johnny_dot_exe:
Beautiful rifles.

I'm in the same boat, expert would be a great shooter and good way to learn the firearm, but I think I'm going to end up getting a field or rack grade eventually.  The only thing that scares me is rust, or having something severely shot out, beyond my capability of fixing.
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If you are scared of rust or being shot out then definitely do not get a rack grade and field is questionable for you.

The reason to go for those grades is to get a rifle that shows history, each bent and ding is a history lesson.  You can look at it and imagine the crack in the stock happened when a young private buttstroked a nazi. But these grades just might have rust and for sure repaired pitting and the barrels will be worn.

If you are wanting a good looking shooter then you should be looking at spending the money for an expert or service grade.  These are the grades that you will be able to take to the range and get good groups out of and look good doing it.
Link Posted: 6/25/2023 7:44:01 PM EST
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My HRA Service Grade was in excellent condition, no pitting at all with plenty of factory finish left. The TE and MW measured 1.
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Link Posted: 6/25/2023 10:55:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By THEdtw:
I received my expert about a month ago.  Almost everything has been refinished, there is pitting underneath the park on the common areas, and I believe a handful of the small parts are new/commercial production.  I was in the same boat as you.  First garand, wanted a shooter, and followed the wisdom of buying the best I could afford.  Everything can be replaced other than the receiver after all.  Wouldn't say I regret my purchase, but I'm not in love with it.  Ended up purchasing a field grade through somebody else for a rifle that had the been there - done that look.

Edit:  Meant receiver, not barrel.

https://i.imgur.com/0cFdlBO.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/iXgfmAr.jpeg
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I see you have a windage knob on your expert that is for ball detent 1/2 min windage adjustment. Is the receiver drilled for it and did it come from CMP that way?
Link Posted: 6/26/2023 7:45:25 AM EST
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I see you have a windage knob on your expert that is for ball detent 1/2 min windage adjustment. Is the receiver drilled for it and did it come from CMP that way?
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Originally Posted By THEdtw:
I received my expert about a month ago.  Almost everything has been refinished, there is pitting underneath the park on the common areas, and I believe a handful of the small parts are new/commercial production.  I was in the same boat as you.  First garand, wanted a shooter, and followed the wisdom of buying the best I could afford.  Everything can be replaced other than the receiver after all.  Wouldn't say I regret my purchase, but I'm not in love with it.  Ended up purchasing a field grade through somebody else for a rifle that had the been there - done that look.

Edit:  Meant receiver, not barrel.

https://i.imgur.com/0cFdlBO.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/iXgfmAr.jpeg


I see you have a windage knob on your expert that is for ball detent 1/2 min windage adjustment. Is the receiver drilled for it and did it come from CMP that way?

So I actually received a NM knob with the rifle, which did not work obviously.  I bought another knob via ebay from a seller that had multiple for sale, and received that one.  So I have since purchased a 3rd knob that is proper.  Just not an updated pic.
Link Posted: 6/26/2023 10:22:35 AM EST
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Saw that posted elsewhere.  Preferred grease?  All I have is that stinky dark gray aeroshell, mainly use it to break in the slides/rails on p80 and printed glock builds.
Link Posted: 6/26/2023 11:13:48 AM EST
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Originally Posted By johnny_dot_exe:
Saw that posted elsewhere.  Preferred grease?
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Birchwood Casey RIG or Lubriplate 130A
Link Posted: 6/26/2023 4:36:04 PM EST
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Mobile 1 red synthetic grease works well
Link Posted: 6/27/2023 12:45:17 AM EST
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Originally Posted By johnny_dot_exe:
Saw that posted elsewhere.  Preferred grease?  All I have is that stinky dark gray aeroshell, mainly use it to break in the slides/rails on p80 and printed glock builds.
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Originally Posted By johnny_dot_exe:
Saw that posted elsewhere.  Preferred grease?  All I have is that stinky dark gray aeroshell, mainly use it to break in the slides/rails on p80 and printed glock builds.

@johnny_dot_exe
I literally use USGI rifle grease. You can find it on ebay or GB. It's all I've used in the past 30+ yrs on my Garands, M1 Carbines and M1A's
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Link Posted: 6/27/2023 8:31:22 AM EST
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All my paperwork arrived at CMP yesterday.  Do they send any sort of notice once everything is processed and the gun is shipped out?
Link Posted: 6/27/2023 9:54:56 AM EST
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Originally Posted By johnny_dot_exe:
All my paperwork arrived at CMP yesterday.  Do they send any sort of notice once everything is processed and the gun is shipped out?
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You should get a phone call letting you know its shipped. Post pictures when you get it
Link Posted: 6/27/2023 10:44:54 AM EST
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Looks like 3-4 weeks based on recent reports in the timeline thread over on CMP.

https://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=28081

Once this expert grade shows up, wouldn't mind a second one that scores some originality points.  They've been honoring sticky note requests for "WW2 & GI wood", so if I'm wanting something with a bit more character...should I roll the dice on a rack grade and hope it's not clapped out with rust and high ME/TE numbers, or go with service grade for $200 more and hope they honor the sticky on it?
Link Posted: 6/27/2023 11:29:05 AM EST
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Originally Posted By johnny_dot_exe:
Looks like 3-4 weeks based on recent reports in the timeline thread over on CMP.

https://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=28081

Once this expert grade shows up, wouldn't mind a second one that scores some originality points.  They've been honoring sticky note requests for "WW2 & GI wood", so if I'm wanting something with a bit more character...should I roll the dice on a rack grade and hope it's not clapped out with rust and high ME/TE numbers, or go with service grade for $200 more and hope they honor the sticky on it?
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Always go for the service grade over rack grade
Link Posted: 6/27/2023 11:34:51 AM EST
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Always go for the service grade over rack grade
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This would be a lot easier if I had a CMP store nearby.  A 1-2 day trip AND 1 or more firearm purchases is a harder sell to the SO.
Link Posted: 6/27/2023 3:59:48 PM EST
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Just got my Service Grade from the CMP today. H&R manufactured in 1955 with a muzzle reading of 1, and a throat reading of 2. Re-barreled in 65 with a SA barrel.
Link Posted: 6/27/2023 4:23:16 PM EST
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Just got my Service Grade from the CMP today. H&R manufactured in 1955 with a muzzle reading of 1, and a throat reading of 2. Re-barreled in 65 with a SA barrel.
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All I got today was an email saying the service grades are sold out. I snail mailed my paperwork in before Memorial Day, but they didn’t cash my check until last week.
Link Posted: 6/27/2023 9:15:40 PM EST
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i got 2 service grades today and they are some of the finest ones i have ever received from CMP. i got a 1/45 sa with nearly all correct  parts and a 1/1 barrel  that matchs.
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 6:54:25 AM EST
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Link Posted: 6/28/2023 7:10:57 AM EST
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All I got today was an email saying the service grades are sold out. I snail mailed my paperwork in before Memorial Day, but they didn't cash my check until last week.
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So are you on backorder status for a service grade, or did they offer you an up/downgrade?  Edit: They still haven't updated the M1 Garand page to indicate that service grades are out of stock.
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 9:45:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By johnny_dot_exe:
So are you on backorder status for a service grade, or did they offer you an up/downgrade?  Edit: They still haven't updated the M1 Garand page to indicate that service grades are out of stock.
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Originally Posted By jasoncar40:


All I got today was an email saying the service grades are sold out. I snail mailed my paperwork in before Memorial Day, but they didn't cash my check until last week.
So are you on backorder status for a service grade, or did they offer you an up/downgrade?  Edit: They still haven't updated the M1 Garand page to indicate that service grades are out of stock.


No back order per the website and the email that is:

Unfortunately, we are sold out of our Service Grade rifles. We are not taking backorders for these, as stated on our website. If you are interested in changing your order, we have Rack grade ($700), Expert ($1,150), 308Expert ($1,150), and Expert IHC ($1,450). Please reply to this email if you would like to change your order or if I need to cancel this for you.


I have one expert already, so I’ll probably just get a refund.
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 10:24:24 AM EST
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No back order per the website and the email that is:



I have one expert already, so I'll probably just get a refund.
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Could do a sticky noted rack grade...just sayin'.
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 10:48:27 AM EST
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Could do a sticky noted rack grade...just sayin'.
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I have 3 service grades, 1 Winchester field grade, and 1 expert grade. A rack grade I don’t put my hands on before purchasing has no appeal. Some that have been mailed have been very rough projects.

I think my $1800 is better spent elsewhere at this point.
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Originally Posted By jasoncar40:


I have 3 service grades, 1 Winchester field grade, and 1 expert grade. A rack grade I don't put my hands on before purchasing has no appeal. Some that have been mailed have been very rough projects.

I think my $1800 is better spent elsewhere at this point.
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Fair point.  The rack grades are pretty hit-or-miss on mail in orders according to posts on reddit.  I wouldn't mind having a couple better examples, but it'll have to wait until I can make the trip to Alabama so I can see them in person.
Link Posted: 6/28/2023 3:45:30 PM EST
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My rack grade needed everything replaced and for the $650 I paid, I chucked it to buying a receiver.


Luckily I had a parts kit that was correct and all NOS parts for the period.

Link Posted: 7/2/2023 5:48:15 PM EST
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Well I'm really confused about these expert grades. Little bit about me I've been collecting M1 Grands for almost 20 years I have 14 of them back in the hay day when CMP was actually getting excellent grade rifles I purchased many service and collector grades they look brand new with the correct Parts on most of them many of the rifles only needed to have the trigger guards replaced the match all the parts. Now fast forward I go on GunBroker and I'm looking at all these expert grades and they're actually selling for over $2,000 and then I'm looking at real collector grade rifles that might not be as pretty or as nice but they're not even going over $1,400. So my question is are you younger new buyers just looking for stuff that looks new. And you don't care about the history of the M1 grand I mean I've seen some Winchester's would correct barrels and they're not even going over $1,400 I'm amazed I just can't believe it and yet they're willing to buy these Filipino rust buckets that were rusted so bad that the Filipinos didn't even want them anymore CMP overpaid for all of them and now they're making them into part guns and they're selling on GunBroker again for over $2,000 again I'm just amazed I was wondering if anybody's got an answer to this
Link Posted: 7/2/2023 6:12:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TankerFA:
Well I'm really confused about these expert grades. Little bit about me I've been collecting M1 Grands for almost 20 years I have 14 of them back in the hay day when CMP was actually getting excellent grade rifles I purchased many service and collector grades they look brand new with the correct Parts on most of them many of the rifles only needed to have the trigger guards replaced the match all the parts. Now fast forward I go on GunBroker and I'm looking at all these expert grades and they're actually selling for over $2,000 and then I'm looking at real collector grade rifles that might not be as pretty or as nice but they're not even going over $1,400. So my question is are you younger new buyers just looking for stuff that looks new. And you don't care about the history of the M1 grand I mean I've seen some Winchester's would correct barrels and they're not even going over $1,400 I'm amazed I just can't believe it and yet they're willing to buy these Filipino rust buckets that were rusted so bad that the Filipinos didn't even want them anymore CMP overpaid for all of them and now they're making them into part guns and they're selling on GunBroker again for over $2,000 again I'm just amazed I was wondering if anybody's got an answer to this
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I wouldn't be surprised if younger generations don't care so much about the historical "look" and parts matching, than they do about just owning a classic they can take out to shoot and show off.  Plus, rust and pitting scares off most folks.

For my first garand, I wanted the experience of owning and using a garand that I don't have to worry about devaluing every time I take it out or ding it up, so an expert grade fit the bill...it's already got a mix of parts, new barrel, new stock...I can repair or replace whatever on it and not hurt any sort of collector's value for the most part.  However, I also got my C&R FFL because I also like collecting old, beat up rifles that look like they have stories to tell, which is why I'd like to grab a few rack/field/service grade eventually, especially if I could ever make it to their store in Alabama.
Link Posted: 7/6/2023 9:15:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: johnny_dot_exe] [#45]
Paperwork for the expert grade got to CMP on 6/26, no updates yet.  Really hoping I don't get the OOS notice.

Also a week in to an order at Century Arms, got a reply that it'd be 3-4 business days.  With the holiday and the fact they tend to pay less attention to smaller orders I'm probably a week or so out from getting that one.  Been wanting a K31 for a while.

I'm putting the new C&R FFL to work.
Link Posted: 7/9/2023 9:45:34 AM EST
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I mailed another order for a second expert on 7-7 …my first order was mailed on 4-28 and I received the rifle on 5-12
Link Posted: 7/9/2023 9:56:57 AM EST
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They did update the page to show the service grades OOS, but experts still in stock.
Link Posted: 7/11/2023 3:32:41 PM EST
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Just got what I think folks refer to as the "DNB" or "do not bug us" email from CMP letting me know they received and verified my paperwork, and that my order will now be processed and then shipped in the order it was received.

Gettling closer.
Link Posted: 7/13/2023 3:07:34 PM EST
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For non-collectible “shooters,” the expert M1s serve a purpose.
Link Posted: 7/14/2023 4:29:27 PM EST
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CC charged yesterday, just noticed it.  Looking at the "order timeline" thread on CMP forum, anywhere from same day to 8 days for shipping over the last month or so.
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