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Posted: 8/2/2023 1:26:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rob78: I don't care about matching parts. Condition is my concern. I've got a collector garand. I want one that I can shoot regularly without worrying about dents/dings. Rust on/in the receiver, shot out barrels, etc. are my primary concern. I don't want to spend $1k only to have to rebarrel. At some point I've got to decide whether to buy one from FA or try to find one at a gunshow. All the expert grades literally have brand new barrels |
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Posted: 8/2/2023 2:02:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By johnny_dot_exe: The expert grades are all guaranteed to have a new production stock and new production barrel that gauges TE 0 / ME 0. Expert grade is for those of us that want the experience of having a Garand, but one we can shoot and not have lock away in a safe forever like a priceless artifact. Given the market, and CMP members buying/immediately flipping for hundreds more on gunbroker, you're not going to find a better deal than an expert grade right from CMP for 1150 out the door. Even the guys selling them on the CMP forum mark them up for resale, don't let anyone tell you CMP actually cares about the resellers since they're allowing it on their own forum. If any of the other parts are damaged or have rust, just shoot them an email and a few days later a new part arrives with a return label for the old part. I boxed up my old trigger group, slapped the label on it, then called FedEx to come pick it up like the return instructions suggested. For the money, I'm happy with what I got and know I couldn't get another rifle in this condition for this price without buying from CMP again. Once I decide to shoot for originality points and pick up a rack or field grade, and maybe a 1903, the wife and I will take a weekend trip to Alabama so I can get them in person because that's not something I want to mail-order. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By johnny_dot_exe: Originally Posted By rob78: I don't care about matching parts. Condition is my concern. I've got a collector garand. I want one that I can shoot regularly without worrying about dents/dings. Rust on/in the receiver, shot out barrels, etc. are my primary concern. I don't want to spend $1k only to have to rebarrel. At some point I've got to decide whether to buy one from FA or try to find one at a gunshow. Given the market, and CMP members buying/immediately flipping for hundreds more on gunbroker, you're not going to find a better deal than an expert grade right from CMP for 1150 out the door. Even the guys selling them on the CMP forum mark them up for resale, don't let anyone tell you CMP actually cares about the resellers since they're allowing it on their own forum. If any of the other parts are damaged or have rust, just shoot them an email and a few days later a new part arrives with a return label for the old part. I boxed up my old trigger group, slapped the label on it, then called FedEx to come pick it up like the return instructions suggested. For the money, I'm happy with what I got and know I couldn't get another rifle in this condition for this price without buying from CMP again. Once I decide to shoot for originality points and pick up a rack or field grade, and maybe a 1903, the wife and I will take a weekend trip to Alabama so I can get them in person because that's not something I want to mail-order. Thank you. Ultimately I want a decent barrel first and foremost. $1150 with a new barrel means I'm a buyer. |
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Posted: 8/2/2023 2:09:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rob78: Thank you. Ultimately I want a decent barrel first and foremost. $1150 with a new barrel means I'm a buyer.  Don't forget to post a thread up with pics once you get it. If you browse through this thread you'll see my timeline of when I placed the order, got the DNB(do not bug us) email, had the charge hit my card, and when I got the shipping notice. Your timeline will be roughly the same, just make sure you follow the order process completely and give them everything they need so your order doesn't get held up. If you need to cover the CMP affiliate membership requirement, shoot 25 bucks to Garand Collector's Association...they share their membership DB with CMP, but I also just included a copy of the membership fee invoice with my CMP paperwork. If you have your C&R FFL, that pretty much covers everything else...except for that one page in the order form that requires a notarized signature. I just ran up the street to my bank for that one, was free for me since I bank there. |
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Posted: 8/2/2023 10:53:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rob78: I don't care about matching parts. Condition is my concern. I've got a collector garand. I want one that I can shoot regularly without worrying about dents/dings. Rust on/in the receiver, shot out barrels, etc. are my primary concern. I don't want to spend $1k only to have to rebarrel. At some point I've got to decide whether to buy one from FA or try to find one at a gunshow. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By johnny_dot_exe: Originally Posted By rob78: Not an option for me. The closest is Anniston and that's ~7 hour drive. I may try ordering one. I don't care about parts matching, but the receiver/bolt/barrel condition is important. Definitely not going to get all one manufacturer or even period correct parts, unless you find one at the store or get really lucky on a mail order. My post-war SA expert came with a WRA bolt, IHC hammer, no markings on the safey, DRC windage knob, unknown elevation knob/pinion, and what appeared to be SA on everything else. I think they clarify in the expert description that there won't be any guarantees on part manufacturer outside of the receiver which is either sa/hra, ihc, or wra depending on how much you want to pay for an expert. As for period correct or even visually matching, same applies. I had an early trigger guard with that tool hole on the back of it, and most of the SA serials I found appeared to be early. They also sent an elevation knob/pinion that was gloss black while every other part was the post-war gray parkerization. Not a big enough deal to complain to them, since it's a working and good condition part, but the windage knob did have minor damage and rust. I ended up ordering a clean BMC windage/elevation combo from ebay that is post-war and gray park'd, but a week later and it hasn't shipped and the seller hasn't messaged me back so I guess I'll be looking for another soon. You do have the option of hitting up the online shops or ebay for certain manufacturer or period correct parts, they're still out there, but as another poster mentioned above...this is one of the causes of parts becoming more scarce. Admittedly I wanted to do the same thing the second this rifle showed up at my door, but the rifle works and looks great, so no point wasting the money and taking those parts off the market from someone else that might actually need them. I don't care about matching parts. Condition is my concern. I've got a collector garand. I want one that I can shoot regularly without worrying about dents/dings. Rust on/in the receiver, shot out barrels, etc. are my primary concern. I don't want to spend $1k only to have to rebarrel. At some point I've got to decide whether to buy one from FA or try to find one at a gunshow. Fulton Armory? They only are building new Garands if you provide them with a stripped USGI receiver. https://www.fulton-armory.com/fultonarmoryusriflecal762mmm14-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-6.aspx I would try the Expert route from CMP and see what you get. As long as the receiver isn't pitted if you get a bad rusted part like the OP did it sounds like CMP will replace it. As to having Fulton service it that's your call. I did that with the 1st Expert I bought last year, had them repark it to remove some frosting on the receiver https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Happiness-Is--2-Guns-Returned-from-Fulton-Armory-the-same-Day/6-542535/ Best $450 bucks I've ever spent. They replaced a couple things and it's like a new Garand now 
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Posted: 8/3/2023 7:23:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonFlynn: Fulton Armory? They only are building new Garands if you provide them with a stripped USGI receiver. https://www.fulton-armory.com/fultonarmoryusriflecal762mmm14-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-6.aspx I would try the Expert route from CMP and see what you get. As long as the receiver isn't pitted if you get a bad rusted part like the OP did it sounds like CMP will replace it. As to having Fulton service it that's your call. I did that with the 1st Expert I bought last year, had them repark it to remove some frosting on the receiver https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Happiness-Is--2-Guns-Returned-from-Fulton-Armory-the-same-Day/6-542535/ Best $450 bucks I've ever spent. They replaced a couple things and it's like a new Garand now Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By johnny_dot_exe: Originally Posted By rob78: Not an option for me. The closest is Anniston and that's ~7 hour drive. I may try ordering one. I don't care about parts matching, but the receiver/bolt/barrel condition is important. Definitely not going to get all one manufacturer or even period correct parts, unless you find one at the store or get really lucky on a mail order. My post-war SA expert came with a WRA bolt, IHC hammer, no markings on the safey, DRC windage knob, unknown elevation knob/pinion, and what appeared to be SA on everything else. I think they clarify in the expert description that there won't be any guarantees on part manufacturer outside of the receiver which is either sa/hra, ihc, or wra depending on how much you want to pay for an expert. As for period correct or even visually matching, same applies. I had an early trigger guard with that tool hole on the back of it, and most of the SA serials I found appeared to be early. They also sent an elevation knob/pinion that was gloss black while every other part was the post-war gray parkerization. Not a big enough deal to complain to them, since it's a working and good condition part, but the windage knob did have minor damage and rust. I ended up ordering a clean BMC windage/elevation combo from ebay that is post-war and gray park'd, but a week later and it hasn't shipped and the seller hasn't messaged me back so I guess I'll be looking for another soon. You do have the option of hitting up the online shops or ebay for certain manufacturer or period correct parts, they're still out there, but as another poster mentioned above...this is one of the causes of parts becoming more scarce. Admittedly I wanted to do the same thing the second this rifle showed up at my door, but the rifle works and looks great, so no point wasting the money and taking those parts off the market from someone else that might actually need them. I don't care about matching parts. Condition is my concern. I've got a collector garand. I want one that I can shoot regularly without worrying about dents/dings. Rust on/in the receiver, shot out barrels, etc. are my primary concern. I don't want to spend $1k only to have to rebarrel. At some point I've got to decide whether to buy one from FA or try to find one at a gunshow. Fulton Armory? They only are building new Garands if you provide them with a stripped USGI receiver. https://www.fulton-armory.com/fultonarmoryusriflecal762mmm14-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-6.aspx I would try the Expert route from CMP and see what you get. As long as the receiver isn't pitted if you get a bad rusted part like the OP did it sounds like CMP will replace it. As to having Fulton service it that's your call. I did that with the 1st Expert I bought last year, had them repark it to remove some frosting on the receiver https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Happiness-Is--2-Guns-Returned-from-Fulton-Armory-the-same-Day/6-542535/ Best $450 bucks I've ever spent. They replaced a couple things and it's like a new Garand now Yep, Fulton Armory. I've had great luck ordering from them over the years. They once were one of very few stores who carried Kreiger barrels ready to ship. I did my part in helping them sell all of them. Based on the fact the Experts come with a new barrel, this is the best route for me. I won't feel bad for modifying it and shooting the hell out of it. |
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Posted: 8/3/2023 10:29:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rob78: Yep, Fulton Armory. I've had great luck ordering from them over the years. They once were one of very few stores who carried Kreiger barrels ready to ship. I did my part in helping them sell all of them. Based on the fact the Experts come with a new barrel, this is the best route for me. I won't feel bad for modifying it and shooting the hell out of it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By johnny_dot_exe: Originally Posted By rob78: Not an option for me. The closest is Anniston and that's ~7 hour drive. I may try ordering one. I don't care about parts matching, but the receiver/bolt/barrel condition is important. Definitely not going to get all one manufacturer or even period correct parts, unless you find one at the store or get really lucky on a mail order. My post-war SA expert came with a WRA bolt, IHC hammer, no markings on the safey, DRC windage knob, unknown elevation knob/pinion, and what appeared to be SA on everything else. I think they clarify in the expert description that there won't be any guarantees on part manufacturer outside of the receiver which is either sa/hra, ihc, or wra depending on how much you want to pay for an expert. As for period correct or even visually matching, same applies. I had an early trigger guard with that tool hole on the back of it, and most of the SA serials I found appeared to be early. They also sent an elevation knob/pinion that was gloss black while every other part was the post-war gray parkerization. Not a big enough deal to complain to them, since it's a working and good condition part, but the windage knob did have minor damage and rust. I ended up ordering a clean BMC windage/elevation combo from ebay that is post-war and gray park'd, but a week later and it hasn't shipped and the seller hasn't messaged me back so I guess I'll be looking for another soon. You do have the option of hitting up the online shops or ebay for certain manufacturer or period correct parts, they're still out there, but as another poster mentioned above...this is one of the causes of parts becoming more scarce. Admittedly I wanted to do the same thing the second this rifle showed up at my door, but the rifle works and looks great, so no point wasting the money and taking those parts off the market from someone else that might actually need them. I don't care about matching parts. Condition is my concern. I've got a collector garand. I want one that I can shoot regularly without worrying about dents/dings. Rust on/in the receiver, shot out barrels, etc. are my primary concern. I don't want to spend $1k only to have to rebarrel. At some point I've got to decide whether to buy one from FA or try to find one at a gunshow. Fulton Armory? They only are building new Garands if you provide them with a stripped USGI receiver. https://www.fulton-armory.com/fultonarmoryusriflecal762mmm14-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-6.aspx I would try the Expert route from CMP and see what you get. As long as the receiver isn't pitted if you get a bad rusted part like the OP did it sounds like CMP will replace it. As to having Fulton service it that's your call. I did that with the 1st Expert I bought last year, had them repark it to remove some frosting on the receiver https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Happiness-Is--2-Guns-Returned-from-Fulton-Armory-the-same-Day/6-542535/ Best $450 bucks I've ever spent. They replaced a couple things and it's like a new Garand now Yep, Fulton Armory. I've had great luck ordering from them over the years. They once were one of very few stores who carried Kreiger barrels ready to ship. I did my part in helping them sell all of them. Based on the fact the Experts come with a new barrel, this is the best route for me. I won't feel bad for modifying it and shooting the hell out of it. Oh, trust me....Fulton Armory and I know each other  3 FA carbines there (1 used, 2 new) and I had them service everything except the Plainfield carbine. Post pics if you order another Garand from CMP. I've been tempted but figure I'm not as into Garands as I've been Carbines over the years (I've owned 20 of them over the decades )Oh, trust me.....Fulton Armory and I know each other
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Posted: 8/3/2023 10:52:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonFlynn: Oh, trust me....Fulton Armory and I know each other https://images46.fotki.com/v1682/photos/9/4114449/16526314/photo-vi.jpg 3 FA carbines there (1 used, 2 new) and I had them service everything except the Plainfield carbine. Post pics if you order another Garand from CMP. I've been tempted but figure I'm not as into Garands as I've been Carbines over the years (I've owned 20 of them over the decades )Oh, trust me.....Fulton Armory and I know each other Carbine is next on my list. Just don't know a whole lot about them, or what I should pay. I'm not a die hard collector or history buff so I'm not even looking for anything specific other than maybe trying to get one from the 40-50s that is safe to take out and shoot once in a while. |
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Posted: 8/3/2023 11:05:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonFlynn: Oh, trust me....Fulton Armory and I know each other https://images46.fotki.com/v1682/photos/9/4114449/16526314/photo-vi.jpg 3 FA carbines there (1 used, 2 new) and I had them service everything except the Plainfield carbine. Post pics if you order another Garand from CMP. I've been tempted but figure I'm not as into Garands as I've been Carbines over the years (I've owned 20 of them over the decades )Oh, trust me.....Fulton Armory and I know each other Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By johnny_dot_exe: Originally Posted By rob78: Not an option for me. The closest is Anniston and that's ~7 hour drive. I may try ordering one. I don't care about parts matching, but the receiver/bolt/barrel condition is important. Definitely not going to get all one manufacturer or even period correct parts, unless you find one at the store or get really lucky on a mail order. My post-war SA expert came with a WRA bolt, IHC hammer, no markings on the safey, DRC windage knob, unknown elevation knob/pinion, and what appeared to be SA on everything else. I think they clarify in the expert description that there won't be any guarantees on part manufacturer outside of the receiver which is either sa/hra, ihc, or wra depending on how much you want to pay for an expert. As for period correct or even visually matching, same applies. I had an early trigger guard with that tool hole on the back of it, and most of the SA serials I found appeared to be early. They also sent an elevation knob/pinion that was gloss black while every other part was the post-war gray parkerization. Not a big enough deal to complain to them, since it's a working and good condition part, but the windage knob did have minor damage and rust. I ended up ordering a clean BMC windage/elevation combo from ebay that is post-war and gray park'd, but a week later and it hasn't shipped and the seller hasn't messaged me back so I guess I'll be looking for another soon. You do have the option of hitting up the online shops or ebay for certain manufacturer or period correct parts, they're still out there, but as another poster mentioned above...this is one of the causes of parts becoming more scarce. Admittedly I wanted to do the same thing the second this rifle showed up at my door, but the rifle works and looks great, so no point wasting the money and taking those parts off the market from someone else that might actually need them. I don't care about matching parts. Condition is my concern. I've got a collector garand. I want one that I can shoot regularly without worrying about dents/dings. Rust on/in the receiver, shot out barrels, etc. are my primary concern. I don't want to spend $1k only to have to rebarrel. At some point I've got to decide whether to buy one from FA or try to find one at a gunshow. Fulton Armory? They only are building new Garands if you provide them with a stripped USGI receiver. https://www.fulton-armory.com/fultonarmoryusriflecal762mmm14-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-6.aspx I would try the Expert route from CMP and see what you get. As long as the receiver isn't pitted if you get a bad rusted part like the OP did it sounds like CMP will replace it. As to having Fulton service it that's your call. I did that with the 1st Expert I bought last year, had them repark it to remove some frosting on the receiver https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Happiness-Is--2-Guns-Returned-from-Fulton-Armory-the-same-Day/6-542535/ Best $450 bucks I've ever spent. They replaced a couple things and it's like a new Garand now Yep, Fulton Armory. I've had great luck ordering from them over the years. They once were one of very few stores who carried Kreiger barrels ready to ship. I did my part in helping them sell all of them. Based on the fact the Experts come with a new barrel, this is the best route for me. I won't feel bad for modifying it and shooting the hell out of it. Oh, trust me....Fulton Armory and I know each other https://images46.fotki.com/v1682/photos/9/4114449/16526314/photo-vi.jpg 3 FA carbines there (1 used, 2 new) and I had them service everything except the Plainfield carbine. Post pics if you order another Garand from CMP. I've been tempted but figure I'm not as into Garands as I've been Carbines over the years (I've owned 20 of them over the decades )Oh, trust me.....Fulton Armory and I know each other You need to share your carbines! There's one local that's all correct (w/para stock), but he's asking a small fortune for it. As a result, I'm now looking for a good, correct 1903. Then I'll move to a carbine. My plan is to display WW2 weaponry from the US and Germany. My grandfather brought back an officer's sword, an officer's PPK, a Mauser w/sling, and a luger (he couldn't remember what german he took it from). I've also got a German helmet and leather pilots cap. I've also got all of his stuff as well (holster, helmet, clip bandoleer, bags/belts,etc) plus a correct RR 1911/Garand/1903/carbine. It'll be arranged in a clear top coffee table in my living room. I'll definitely post pics of my expert. If nothing else, it'll help gauge the condition of what the CMP is sending out. |
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Posted: 8/3/2023 11:44:17 AM EST
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Originally Posted By johnny_dot_exe: Carbine is next on my list. Just don't know a whole lot about them, or what I should pay. I'm not a die hard collector or history buff so I'm not even looking for anything specific other than maybe trying to get one from the 40-50s that is safe to take out and shoot once in a while. My 2 bits, do a local search 1st and try to find a good shape USGI issue one. The 3 things I look for are barrel crown (lower the better), play in the trigger group side to side (affects ammo feeding IMO) and import marks. The latter anymore I wouldn't worry about for a shooter Carbine. I would expect to pay $1000-1500 for "good" USGI carbine anymore. This is vital IMO even if you only plan on 1 Carbine Barrel Gauge I wouldn't buy one unless the barrel gauged under "1.5" Also, look at early Plainfield (1965-68 production) if your looking to save some money. Some used USGI surplus trigger groups and parts (my current one did) and can be good shooters. Also, "1st Generation" Universals are decent, they are USGI compatible. Avoid any with a serial above 100K, Universal started changing the design and by the "Gen 3" had earned a rep for being bad guns. This might be worth a look https://www.gunbroker.com/item/999476026 Pricey for a 1st time Carbine owner but FA's are the best Carbines on the market currently. The used 1 I mentioned I own I snagged $1500 last spring 2022 and jumped on it even though I owned 2 at the time. I'm watching that sale on GB just to see what this one goes for. This thread is also worth a look. There are several used Commercial carbines listed for sale another forum I would think could serve your needs as a start https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/New-production-M1-carbines-any-good-/6-544552/ I listed what I would buy if I was in the market for another commercial Carbine Originally Posted By rob78: You need to share your carbines! There's one local that's all correct (w/para stock), but he's asking a small fortune for it. As a result, I'm now looking for a good, correct 1903. Then I'll move to a carbine. My plan is to display WW2 weaponry from the US and Germany. My grandfather brought back an officer's sword, an officer's PPK, a Mauser w/sling, and a luger (he couldn't remember what german he took it from). I've also got a German helmet and leather pilots cap. I've also got all of his stuff as well (holster, helmet, clip bandoleer, bags/belts,etc) plus a correct RR 1911/Garand/1903/carbine. It'll be arranged in a clear top coffee table in my living room. I'll definitely post pics of my expert. If nothing else, it'll help gauge the condition of what the CMP is sending out. MINE MINE MINE MINE
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Posted: 8/3/2023 10:32:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonFlynn: My 2 bits, do a local search 1st and try to find a good shape USGI issue one. The 3 things I look for are barrel crown (lower the better), play in the trigger group side to side (affects ammo feeding IMO) and import marks. The latter anymore I wouldn't worry about for a shooter Carbine. I would expect to pay $1000-1500 for "good" USGI carbine anymore. This is vital IMO even if you only plan on 1 Carbine Barrel Gauge I wouldn't buy one unless the barrel gauged under "1.5" Also, look at early Plainfield (1965-68 production) if your looking to save some money. Some used USGI surplus trigger groups and parts (my current one did) and can be good shooters. Also, "1st Generation" Universals are decent, they are USGI compatible. Avoid any with a serial above 100K, Universal started changing the design and by the "Gen 3" had earned a rep for being bad guns. This might be worth a look https://www.gunbroker.com/item/999476026 Pricey for a 1st time Carbine owner but FA's are the best Carbines on the market currently. The used 1 I mentioned I own I snagged $1500 last spring 2022 and jumped on it even though I owned 2 at the time. I'm watching that sale on GB just to see what this one goes for. This thread is also worth a look. There are several used Commercial carbines listed for sale another forum I would think could serve your needs as a start https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/New-production-M1-carbines-any-good-/6-544552/ I listed what I would buy if I was in the market for another commercial Carbine Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By johnny_dot_exe: Carbine is next on my list. Just don't know a whole lot about them, or what I should pay. I'm not a die hard collector or history buff so I'm not even looking for anything specific other than maybe trying to get one from the 40-50s that is safe to take out and shoot once in a while. My 2 bits, do a local search 1st and try to find a good shape USGI issue one. The 3 things I look for are barrel crown (lower the better), play in the trigger group side to side (affects ammo feeding IMO) and import marks. The latter anymore I wouldn't worry about for a shooter Carbine. I would expect to pay $1000-1500 for "good" USGI carbine anymore. This is vital IMO even if you only plan on 1 Carbine Barrel Gauge I wouldn't buy one unless the barrel gauged under "1.5" Also, look at early Plainfield (1965-68 production) if your looking to save some money. Some used USGI surplus trigger groups and parts (my current one did) and can be good shooters. Also, "1st Generation" Universals are decent, they are USGI compatible. Avoid any with a serial above 100K, Universal started changing the design and by the "Gen 3" had earned a rep for being bad guns. This might be worth a look https://www.gunbroker.com/item/999476026 Pricey for a 1st time Carbine owner but FA's are the best Carbines on the market currently. The used 1 I mentioned I own I snagged $1500 last spring 2022 and jumped on it even though I owned 2 at the time. I'm watching that sale on GB just to see what this one goes for. This thread is also worth a look. There are several used Commercial carbines listed for sale another forum I would think could serve your needs as a start https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/New-production-M1-carbines-any-good-/6-544552/ I listed what I would buy if I was in the market for another commercial Carbine Why early Plainfield and not later? I knew about early Universals, is there something off w/ later Plainfields or just not as many GI parts? |
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Posted: 8/3/2023 10:53:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Why early Plainfield and not later? I knew about early Universals, is there something off w/ later Plainfields or just not as many GI parts? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By johnny_dot_exe: Carbine is next on my list. Just don't know a whole lot about them, or what I should pay. I'm not a die hard collector or history buff so I'm not even looking for anything specific other than maybe trying to get one from the 40-50s that is safe to take out and shoot once in a while. My 2 bits, do a local search 1st and try to find a good shape USGI issue one. The 3 things I look for are barrel crown (lower the better), play in the trigger group side to side (affects ammo feeding IMO) and import marks. The latter anymore I wouldn't worry about for a shooter Carbine. I would expect to pay $1000-1500 for "good" USGI carbine anymore. This is vital IMO even if you only plan on 1 Carbine Barrel Gauge I wouldn't buy one unless the barrel gauged under "1.5" Also, look at early Plainfield (1965-68 production) if your looking to save some money. Some used USGI surplus trigger groups and parts (my current one did) and can be good shooters. Also, "1st Generation" Universals are decent, they are USGI compatible. Avoid any with a serial above 100K, Universal started changing the design and by the "Gen 3" had earned a rep for being bad guns. This might be worth a look https://www.gunbroker.com/item/999476026 Pricey for a 1st time Carbine owner but FA's are the best Carbines on the market currently. The used 1 I mentioned I own I snagged $1500 last spring 2022 and jumped on it even though I owned 2 at the time. I'm watching that sale on GB just to see what this one goes for. This thread is also worth a look. There are several used Commercial carbines listed for sale another forum I would think could serve your needs as a start https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/New-production-M1-carbines-any-good-/6-544552/ I listed what I would buy if I was in the market for another commercial Carbine Why early Plainfield and not later? I knew about early Universals, is there something off w/ later Plainfields or just not as many GI parts? The early ones have a better chance of having USGI parts IMO. I've owned 3 Plainfield's over the years. My 1st was a good shooter IIRR, don't remember what year it was. Only reason I got rid of it was I traded it in for something else since I had a couple USGI's and a Iver Johnson at the time and got a better deal on the trade with that over the IJ (which was a tad mag picky IIRR, I ended up selling that 2013 during that ammo crunch) 2nd I bought 2015 and it had issues, failure to cycle. It was used and the LGS had a decent used warranty so they gave me a different gun. The current one I own I bought 2020 to run cheap Russian steel cased ammo in and save my "good" carbines wear and tear. That died with the Covid panic, and Russian steel cased being banned. I plan on starting reloading soon so I'll use it as the test bitch for that when the time comes |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 12:07:54 AM EST
[#12]
Now that a carbine collector helped me put together an IBM (by taking the parts off an Inland & spinning the bbl onto an IBM receiver I had), I think of carbines a lot like I think of ARs. As long as the receiver is compatible, if anything breaks, throw NOS GI parts at it. That's the failure of the late Universals, the Kahr Auto Ordnance & the modern Inland - you can't.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 9:26:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Now that a carbine collector helped me put together an IBM (by taking the parts off an Inland & spinning the bbl onto an IBM receiver I had), I think of carbines a lot like I think of ARs. As long as the receiver is compatible, if anything breaks, throw NOS GI parts at it. That's the failure of the late Universals, the Kahr Auto Ordnance & the modern Inland - you can't. Yeap.......and the sad part with Kahr is what screwed them up was a measuring mistake when they copied the USGI (Rockola IIRR) carbine they used to panograph the drawings they used. The bolt is 1.3MM longer than USGI spec so to fix that they had to adapt the receiver to match instead of retooling the bolt. "New" Inland uses the same subcontractor for their Carbine parts so you have the same issues there. |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 6:18:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonFlynn: My 2 bits, do a local search 1st and try to find a good shape USGI issue one. The 3 things I look for are barrel crown (lower the better), play in the trigger group side to side (affects ammo feeding IMO) and import marks. The latter anymore I wouldn't worry about for a shooter Carbine. I would expect to pay $1000-1500 for "good" USGI carbine anymore. This is vital IMO even if you only plan on 1 Carbine Barrel Gauge I wouldn't buy one unless the barrel gauged under "1.5" Also, look at early Plainfield (1965-68 production) if your looking to save some money. Some used USGI surplus trigger groups and parts (my current one did) and can be good shooters. Also, "1st Generation" Universals are decent, they are USGI compatible. Avoid any with a serial above 100K, Universal started changing the design and by the "Gen 3" had earned a rep for being bad guns. This might be worth a look https://www.gunbroker.com/item/999476026 Pricey for a 1st time Carbine owner but FA's are the best Carbines on the market currently. The used 1 I mentioned I own I snagged $1500 last spring 2022 and jumped on it even though I owned 2 at the time. I'm watching that sale on GB just to see what this one goes for. This thread is also worth a look. There are several used Commercial carbines listed for sale another forum I would think could serve your needs as a start https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/New-production-M1-carbines-any-good-/6-544552/ I listed what I would buy if I was in the market for another commercial Carbine MINE MINE MINE MINE Why are you such a greedy hoarder? |
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Posted: 8/6/2023 6:36:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonFlynn: Yeap.......and the sad part with Kahr is what screwed them up was a measuring mistake when they copied the USGI (Rockola IIRR) carbine they used to panograph the drawings they used. The bolt is 1.3MM longer than USGI spec so to fix that they had to adapt the receiver to match instead of retooling the bolt. "New" Inland uses the same subcontractor for their Carbine parts so you have the same issues there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By backbencher: Now that a carbine collector helped me put together an IBM (by taking the parts off an Inland & spinning the bbl onto an IBM receiver I had), I think of carbines a lot like I think of ARs. As long as the receiver is compatible, if anything breaks, throw NOS GI parts at it. That's the failure of the late Universals, the Kahr Auto Ordnance & the modern Inland - you can't. Yeap.......and the sad part with Kahr is what screwed them up was a measuring mistake when they copied the USGI (Rockola IIRR) carbine they used to panograph the drawings they used. The bolt is 1.3MM longer than USGI spec so to fix that they had to adapt the receiver to match instead of retooling the bolt. "New" Inland uses the same subcontractor for their Carbine parts so you have the same issues there. Posts like this are why I love this site. |
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Posted: 8/7/2023 3:23:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FluffyTheCat: Why are you such a greedy hoarder? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FluffyTheCat: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: My 2 bits, do a local search 1st and try to find a good shape USGI issue one. The 3 things I look for are barrel crown (lower the better), play in the trigger group side to side (affects ammo feeding IMO) and import marks. The latter anymore I wouldn't worry about for a shooter Carbine. I would expect to pay $1000-1500 for "good" USGI carbine anymore. This is vital IMO even if you only plan on 1 Carbine Barrel Gauge I wouldn't buy one unless the barrel gauged under "1.5" Also, look at early Plainfield (1965-68 production) if your looking to save some money. Some used USGI surplus trigger groups and parts (my current one did) and can be good shooters. Also, "1st Generation" Universals are decent, they are USGI compatible. Avoid any with a serial above 100K, Universal started changing the design and by the "Gen 3" had earned a rep for being bad guns. This might be worth a look https://www.gunbroker.com/item/999476026 Pricey for a 1st time Carbine owner but FA's are the best Carbines on the market currently. The used 1 I mentioned I own I snagged $1500 last spring 2022 and jumped on it even though I owned 2 at the time. I'm watching that sale on GB just to see what this one goes for. This thread is also worth a look. There are several used Commercial carbines listed for sale another forum I would think could serve your needs as a start https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/New-production-M1-carbines-any-good-/6-544552/ I listed what I would buy if I was in the market for another commercial Carbine MINE MINE MINE MINE Why are you such a greedy hoarder? Wait - are you the pot or the kettle? |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 5:52:05 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FluffyTheCat: Why are you such a greedy hoarder? Hoarders disgust me  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 8:31:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve: Hoarders disgust me https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147241/IMG_0030_jpeg-2913484.JPG Me likey
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Posted: 8/9/2023 10:29:53 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonFlynn: Me likey Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By vellnueve: Hoarders disgust me https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147241/IMG_0030_jpeg-2913484.JPG Me likey You two are why there are no good carbines left 
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Posted: 8/9/2023 11:07:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve: Hoarders disgust me https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147241/IMG_0030_jpeg-2913484.JPG You can always tell a hoarder. Besides rifles, they hoard unbuilt receivers and lots of parts. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 11:09:02 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rob78: You two are why there are no good carbines left Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By vellnueve: Hoarders disgust me https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147241/IMG_0030_jpeg-2913484.JPG Me likey You two are why there are no good carbines left  Plenty of good carbines, you just have to pay market price.
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Posted: 8/9/2023 11:29:14 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Plenty of good carbines, you just have to pay market price.Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By vellnueve: Hoarders disgust me https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147241/IMG_0030_jpeg-2913484.JPG Me likey You two are why there are no good carbines left Plenty of good carbines, you just have to pay market price.Yeap. And most of my current Carbines I've bought since 2016. I sold 3-4 I had 2013 after Newtown when ammo went scarce and bought others before the current shortage. This time out I'll hold onto what I have unless I really need money for something. I'll have to park my "shooters" after Labor Day because I'm low on ammo and hope I can do a slow restock over the winter. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 12:08:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonFlynn: Yeap. And most of my current Carbines I've bought since 2016. I sold 3-4 I had 2013 after Newtown when ammo went scarce and bought others before the current shortage. This time out I'll hold onto what I have unless I really need money for something. I'll have to park my "shooters" after Labor Day because I'm low on ammo and hope I can do a slow restock over the winter. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By vellnueve: Hoarders disgust me https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147241/IMG_0030_jpeg-2913484.JPG Me likey You two are why there are no good carbines left Plenty of good carbines, you just have to pay market price.Yeap. And most of my current Carbines I've bought since 2016. I sold 3-4 I had 2013 after Newtown when ammo went scarce and bought others before the current shortage. This time out I'll hold onto what I have unless I really need money for something. I'll have to park my "shooters" after Labor Day because I'm low on ammo and hope I can do a slow restock over the winter. Not worth reloading for? |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 12:33:41 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Not worth reloading for? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By vellnueve: Hoarders disgust me https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147241/IMG_0030_jpeg-2913484.JPG Me likey You two are why there are no good carbines left Plenty of good carbines, you just have to pay market price.Yeap. And most of my current Carbines I've bought since 2016. I sold 3-4 I had 2013 after Newtown when ammo went scarce and bought others before the current shortage. This time out I'll hold onto what I have unless I really need money for something. I'll have to park my "shooters" after Labor Day because I'm low on ammo and hope I can do a slow restock over the winter. Not worth reloading for? Need to figure out a setup. My place is only 2 bedrooms and I've got my 2nd one set up to build plastic model kits, including a good size airbrush booth. I really don't think enamel paint fumes and gun powder will be a good mix I'm thinking a simple single stage setup I can mount on a board and clamp to my kitchen table. I started a new job this winter that has me on 6 days a week 2 out of 3 weeks at a time so I've been putting it off until I get more free time. I figure .30 carbine and 30/06 I could do with a portable setup, just need to start looking into it. I've been saving my brass so I've plenty of that
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Posted: 8/9/2023 12:50:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonFlynn: Need to figure out a setup. My place is only 2 bedrooms and I've got my 2nd one set up to build plastic model kits, including a good size airbrush booth. I really don't think enamel paint fumes and gun powder will be a good mix I'm thinking a simple single stage setup I can mount on a board and clamp to my kitchen table. I started a new job this winter that has me on 6 days a week 2 out of 3 weeks at a time so I've been putting it off until I get more free time. I figure .30 carbine and 30/06 I could do with a portable setup, just need to start looking into it. I've been saving my brass so I've plenty of that Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By vellnueve: Hoarders disgust me https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147241/IMG_0030_jpeg-2913484.JPG Me likey You two are why there are no good carbines left Plenty of good carbines, you just have to pay market price.Yeap. And most of my current Carbines I've bought since 2016. I sold 3-4 I had 2013 after Newtown when ammo went scarce and bought others before the current shortage. This time out I'll hold onto what I have unless I really need money for something. I'll have to park my "shooters" after Labor Day because I'm low on ammo and hope I can do a slow restock over the winter. Not worth reloading for? Need to figure out a setup. My place is only 2 bedrooms and I've got my 2nd one set up to build plastic model kits, including a good size airbrush booth. I really don't think enamel paint fumes and gun powder will be a good mix I'm thinking a simple single stage setup I can mount on a board and clamp to my kitchen table. I started a new job this winter that has me on 6 days a week 2 out of 3 weeks at a time so I've been putting it off until I get more free time. I figure .30 carbine and 30/06 I could do with a portable setup, just need to start looking into it. I've been saving my brass so I've plenty of that You can use a hand press. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 12:56:24 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Plenty of good carbines, you just have to pay market price.Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By vellnueve: Hoarders disgust me https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147241/IMG_0030_jpeg-2913484.JPG Me likey You two are why there are no good carbines left Plenty of good carbines, you just have to pay market price.Because of these two, supply is way down! The market price isn't fair. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 1:45:12 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: You can use a hand press. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By vellnueve: Hoarders disgust me https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147241/IMG_0030_jpeg-2913484.JPG Me likey You two are why there are no good carbines left Plenty of good carbines, you just have to pay market price.Yeap. And most of my current Carbines I've bought since 2016. I sold 3-4 I had 2013 after Newtown when ammo went scarce and bought others before the current shortage. This time out I'll hold onto what I have unless I really need money for something. I'll have to park my "shooters" after Labor Day because I'm low on ammo and hope I can do a slow restock over the winter. Not worth reloading for? Need to figure out a setup. My place is only 2 bedrooms and I've got my 2nd one set up to build plastic model kits, including a good size airbrush booth. I really don't think enamel paint fumes and gun powder will be a good mix I'm thinking a simple single stage setup I can mount on a board and clamp to my kitchen table. I started a new job this winter that has me on 6 days a week 2 out of 3 weeks at a time so I've been putting it off until I get more free time. I figure .30 carbine and 30/06 I could do with a portable setup, just need to start looking into it. I've been saving my brass so I've plenty of that everything elseIwould You can use a hand press. I'm thinking that, got to look into that plus would have to have |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 1:53:22 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rob78: Because of these two, supply is way down! The market price isn't fair. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By vellnueve: Hoarders disgust me https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147241/IMG_0030_jpeg-2913484.JPG Me likey You two are why there are no good carbines left Plenty of good carbines, you just have to pay market price.Because of these two, supply is way down! The market price isn't fair. Technically only 4 of my Carbine's are USGI, 3 are new production Fulton Armory (1 used), 1 Plainfield, 1 James River Armory and 1 "Howa" Made in Japan. Over the years I've owned 20 of them so you can say I let 10 of them run free (9 actually, my ex sold my Rockola during our divorce 2002) |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 2:02:42 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rob78: Because of these two, supply is way down! The market price isn't fair. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By vellnueve: Hoarders disgust me https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147241/IMG_0030_jpeg-2913484.JPG Me likey You two are why there are no good carbines left Plenty of good carbines, you just have to pay market price.Because of these two, supply is way down! The market price isn't fair. You're either jesting or failed high school economics. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 2:32:02 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pepe-lepew: You can always tell a hoarder. Besides rifles, they hoard unbuilt receivers and lots of parts. I only have two receivers and 1.5 sets of parts. And one of the receivers is a bubba’ed reweld. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 2:40:24 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonFlynn: My 2 bits, do a local search 1st and try to find a good shape USGI issue one. The 3 things I look for are barrel crown (lower the better), play in the trigger group side to side (affects ammo feeding IMO) and import marks. The latter anymore I wouldn't worry about for a shooter Carbine. I would expect to pay $1000-1500 for "good" USGI carbine anymore. This is vital IMO even if you only plan on 1 Carbine Barrel Gauge I wouldn't buy one unless the barrel gauged under "1.5" Also, look at early Plainfield (1965-68 production) if your looking to save some money. Some used USGI surplus trigger groups and parts (my current one did) and can be good shooters. Also, "1st Generation" Universals are decent, they are USGI compatible. Avoid any with a serial above 100K, Universal started changing the design and by the "Gen 3" had earned a rep for being bad guns. This might be worth a look https://www.gunbroker.com/item/999476026 Pricey for a 1st time Carbine owner but FA's are the best Carbines on the market currently. The used 1 I mentioned I own I snagged $1500 last spring 2022 and jumped on it even though I owned 2 at the time. I'm watching that sale on GB just to see what this one goes for. This thread is also worth a look. There are several used Commercial carbines listed for sale another forum I would think could serve your needs as a start https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/New-production-M1-carbines-any-good-/6-544552/ I listed what I would buy if I was in the market for another commercial Carbine Saw that one on GB, a bit too rich for my blood. Is $1500-1600 the going rate for a decent condition M1 Carbine I can take to the range occassionally? All I really care about is bore condition and it not having rust. |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 7:25:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By johnny_dot_exe: Saw that one on GB, a bit too rich for my blood. Is $1500-1600 the going rate for a decent condition M1 Carbine I can take to the range occassionally? All I really care about is bore condition and it not having rust. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By johnny_dot_exe: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: My 2 bits, do a local search 1st and try to find a good shape USGI issue one. The 3 things I look for are barrel crown (lower the better), play in the trigger group side to side (affects ammo feeding IMO) and import marks. The latter anymore I wouldn't worry about for a shooter Carbine. I would expect to pay $1000-1500 for "good" USGI carbine anymore. This is vital IMO even if you only plan on 1 Carbine Barrel Gauge I wouldn't buy one unless the barrel gauged under "1.5" Also, look at early Plainfield (1965-68 production) if your looking to save some money. Some used USGI surplus trigger groups and parts (my current one did) and can be good shooters. Also, "1st Generation" Universals are decent, they are USGI compatible. Avoid any with a serial above 100K, Universal started changing the design and by the "Gen 3" had earned a rep for being bad guns. This might be worth a look https://www.gunbroker.com/item/999476026 Pricey for a 1st time Carbine owner but FA's are the best Carbines on the market currently. The used 1 I mentioned I own I snagged $1500 last spring 2022 and jumped on it even though I owned 2 at the time. I'm watching that sale on GB just to see what this one goes for. This thread is also worth a look. There are several used Commercial carbines listed for sale another forum I would think could serve your needs as a start https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/New-production-M1-carbines-any-good-/6-544552/ I listed what I would buy if I was in the market for another commercial Carbine Saw that one on GB, a bit too rich for my blood. Is $1500-1600 the going rate for a decent condition M1 Carbine I can take to the range occassionally? All I really care about is bore condition and it not having rust. I would say $1200-1600 depending on where you are at. I saw a couple of decent USGI Carbines at that price recently at a gun show (Ohio Gun Collectors Association) that were 1200 bucks and decent shape IMO. I didn't buy them because I'm not needing another one right now. Look around locally and see what you can find 1st before you go Gunbroker, that way you can look at what you buy |
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Posted: 8/9/2023 7:32:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DonFlynn: I would say $1200-1600 depending on where you are at. I saw a couple of decent USGI Carbines at that price recently at a gun show (Ohio Gun Collectors Association) that were 1200 bucks and decent shape IMO. I didn't buy them because I'm not needing another one right now. Look around locally and see what you can find 1st before you go Gunbroker, that way you can look at what you buy It'll have to be online. Used gun prices in my AO, especially C&R stuff, are wild. Like $1600+tax for a completely whooped, worse than rack grade garand. Saw that one less than a year ago at a local shop and someone actually bought it. 
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Posted: 8/9/2023 7:53:15 PM EST
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Last M1 rifles and carbine I got were from GB. There is decent deals for both if you know what you are looking at. Most buyers I suspect do not and pay based on stock condition and how good the auction ad looks. That is why so many experts go for more than hardly used all original post war rifles in excellent condition.
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Posted: 8/9/2023 10:56:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By johnny_dot_exe: It'll have to be online. Used gun prices in my AO, especially C&R stuff, are wild. Like $1600+tax for a completely whooped, worse than rack grade garand. Saw that one less than a year ago at a local shop and someone actually bought it. Check your IM's. I'll send you a link to 1 I've been watching on GB. It's been "corrected" (repro flip sight and barrel band) but the seller is up front on that, |
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Posted: 9/11/2023 6:48:30 PM EST
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I picked up a couple more M1 Garands from the CMP a few weeks ago and they both arrived today. They were Field Grade since that's all they had left. Both are Springfield Armory... ones from Feb 1943 and the other from April 1943. Both are in decent condition cosmetically. I can't find any rust on them and the finish is mostly intact. One of them gauges a 4 on muzzle and a 3 on throat according to the tag. The other is a "2+" on the muzzle and a "3+" on the throat.
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Posted: 9/12/2023 10:02:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jtb33: I picked up a couple more M1 Garands from the CMP a few weeks ago and they both arrived today. They were Field Grade since that's all they had left. Both are Springfield Armory... ones from Feb 1943 and the other from April 1943. Both are in decent condition cosmetically. I can't find any rust on them and the finish is mostly intact. One of them gauges a 4 on muzzle and a 3 on throat according to the tag. The other is a "2+" on the muzzle and a "3+" on the throat. It took about 3 weeks from the time I mailed my order to the time I received the rifles and about one week after the payment was processed. Post some pics already!! I like the FG rifles myself because they exhibit some true wear and use. The first FG I bought was an H&R that today would be considered a correct grade. The last one I bought was an M1D with a 2+/3 muzzle/throat wear. |
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Posted: 9/12/2023 11:14:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: You're either jesting or failed high school economics. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By vellnueve: Hoarders disgust me https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147241/IMG_0030_jpeg-2913484.JPG Me likey You two are why there are no good carbines left Plenty of good carbines, you just have to pay market price.Because of these two, supply is way down! The market price isn't fair. You're either jesting or failed high school economics. @backbencher Maybe I should learn to express sarcasm more better. |
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Posted: 9/12/2023 11:19:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rob78: @backbencher Maybe I should learn to express sarcasm more better. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By rob78: Originally Posted By DonFlynn: Originally Posted By vellnueve: Hoarders disgust me https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147241/IMG_0030_jpeg-2913484.JPG Me likey You two are why there are no good carbines left Plenty of good carbines, you just have to pay market price.Because of these two, supply is way down! The market price isn't fair. You're either jesting or failed high school economics. @backbencher Maybe I should learn to express sarcasm more better. I wondered why I was being @'d to a Garand thread. I just use this on a lot of my posts:
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