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Posted: 5/22/2002 8:55:08 PM EDT
how do you lyke it ?

how often do you use it ?

what twist rifling are you using ?

what make of rifle ?

do you have 30 round mags for it ??
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 4:54:28 AM EDT
i am surprized that no one here has one.......,
interesting !!
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 4:54:48 AM EDT
I've had one for over a year.  I love it!

I take it out shooting probably once a week, because I can shoot a lot more for less.

I bought a Kurts Kustom Firearms dedicated 22 upper receiver for it.  The upper sits on a post ban Bushmaster lower.  It is very accurate.

I have one 30 round mag and 3 10 round mags.  I wanted to buy the 3 30 round mags for $150 from Ciener, but now that he is out, I guess I am out of luck.

Hope this helps.

Link Posted: 5/23/2002 6:15:20 AM EDT
i know what you mean about the 30 rounders, when i found out he has no more 30s, i franticly searched the web for the conversion kit & found one at Bushmaster w/30 rnd mag. the fellow i talked to said they only have 5 left,  but no spare mags., i found two sites that were advertising them & ordered 3 mags from each, today i will do a follow up......

Link Posted: 5/23/2002 7:14:58 AM EDT
I've had one for about 4 years now. Got one just shortly after getting my first AR (Eagle Arms by Armalite) and, overall, I'd say it's a worthwhile investment.

I use it a little more often than once a month. I used it a lot more when I first got it but lately, I've slacked off. Since .22LR ammo is so cheap, the savings in cost per round fired has already paid for the conversion unit. Probably more than once by now.

Since I'm shooting through a standard AR upper w/ a 1:9 twist, it's not particularly accurate beyond 25M -- but that's fine since I only use it at an indoor range that's limited to 25 yards. Brad76 has a good idea to get a dedicated .22LR upper. I'll probably look into that when I have a few extra bucks. Or at least find something with a slower twist rate.

Stuck with a couple of 10 rounders. It doesn't bother me that much. When I need to satisfy my hicap jones, I'll switch back to 5.56mm.
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 7:50:02 AM EDT
Does anyone know a good place online to get them?
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 10:47:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 1:19:02 PM EDT
I have a CIENER for my AR. It's pretty fun and cheap to shoot, very little recoil. I also shoot thru my .223 barrel, so I only shoot close range targets under 50 yards.

I'm getting one for my AK just for fun. I should have order earlier to get the 30rd mag.

Here is a site to review and order.

Link Posted: 5/23/2002 1:49:06 PM EDT
i wasn't going to get one till last week when i got a real cherry Colt SP-1, it is a 1-12 twist, one of the fellows at our range, has one for his SP-1 & i was watching him shoot, @ 100 yds. he was keeping all shots in a 6" bull.......

were those 30 rounders banned when they banned everythyng else...?

ohiojerk ya got a problem ?

Link Posted: 5/23/2002 2:09:15 PM EDT


were those 30 rounders banned when they banned everythyng else...?

ohiojerk ya got a problem ?

  The 30 rounders were banned sometime after, but not sure of the timeframe. If you notice the 30 rounder is still on their website. I tried to order the 30 rounder, but they said they only have 10 rounders.

Hey, where did you get your 30 rounders? Bushmaster?
Do they have any more?
I would like to order one.

I was thinking of modifing a ruger 10/22 30 rounder, but they are too fat.
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 2:20:09 PM EDT

i ordered from Armalite, they & Bushmaster were the only ones carrying the 30 rndr., Brownells had the conv. unit & 10 rnd. mags., never carried the 30 rndr.

i just got an Email from Armalite & it says that my "...order is back ordered & will take 30 -45 days to fullfil, your credit card will not be charged till shipping date..."

sooooooooo......, it looks pretty bleak, if i get the order i'll be the most surprized person on this forum.......!!
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 5:07:39 PM EDT

Got a dedicated upper for it.

1/9 shorty.


I am not answering that one.
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 5:22:14 PM EDT
I don't have one myself, but my uncle has one that I've shot alot.  Some FTF's, but hey it is just for plinking with.  Mags are a pain to load, but most .22's are.  I don't know if they make a loader for them or not.  Ideally, you should probably get an upper with an sp1 barrel for use with it.

However, I've heard that the owner rivals that of ASA for ahole of the year.  If you have problems with yours, I don't think I'd expect stellar service.

All in all, a neat concept, but you could almost get a 10/22 for the price of the kit alone, not even taking into account getting another upper for it. I guess you could make the argument that using the .22 conversion kit would be better "training" for an AR, but the ballistics of the rounds are obviously so different, I'm not sure if this benefit is really there.

Link Posted: 5/23/2002 5:35:36 PM EDT
Great concept, lots of fun, CAN shoot at indoor ranges, etc.  Sold mine because accuracy out of my 1/7 barrel was unacceptable to me. I did not want to spend for a dedicated upper (which I believe would have been pleasantly accurate) because I can achieve better accuracy more economically with the Ruger 10/22 route.

Now, if I had a 1/12 barrel or dedicated 22 upper, I may not have sold it.
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 5:59:40 PM EDT
I picked up a few more 10's and 30's a short time ago from www.deltaforce.com

They may have a few 30 round magazines left...

edited for link
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 6:12:34 PM EDT
I have two of them. One I use in a SP1 upper. That's a lot of fun at the range because  some people unfamiliar with the AR think it is a suppressed AR (I wish). Lot's of fun for plinking. I have targets with a life size squirrel and out to 50 yards it will put as many rounds as I can fire into the body with iron sights.

I also have a a custom barrel that Kurt made for me a couple years ago before the dedicated upper fad took off (so I didn't pay a lot for it). It's a 20" 1/16 twist Douglas barrel. (probably should asked him to make it a 16") Black teflon coated with a matching float tube. Made specifically for .22 so there is no gas port. Looks great and shoots great. I have it mated to a flat top upper of unknown origin, with a 4X scope on top. Very accurate and a great way to get newbies to guns into shooting.

BTW, I have two (2) of the Ciener 30 round mags, and I rarely use them. So if anyone really wants a couple I'd be willing to sell them. Feel free to email me.
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 7:52:51 PM EDT
check your mail......
Link Posted: 5/23/2002 8:05:25 PM EDT

after shooting my 10/22, i belive i want the "feel" of my SP-1 to shoot .22LRs from, just for those plinking jobs.., besides the barrel has the proper twist already.....

they're sold out too......

Link Posted: 5/24/2002 1:09:17 AM EDT
We also have them, but at this time, are backordered on AR15 kits and 10 round magazines.


Mark Buda
Triple Break Products
[email protected]
(603) 424-0923
FAX: (603) 429-0479
Link Posted: 5/24/2002 4:56:03 AM EDT

but..., do you have spare 30 rnd mags........?
Link Posted: 5/29/2002 1:04:29 AM EDT

but..., do you have spare 30 rnd mags........?

Wish we did, but the answer is NO...

Link Posted: 5/29/2002 3:44:07 AM EDT
Here's mine - very accurate, very quiet:

Suppressed 22LR SBR/SMG:
- SGW-OLY SBR pre-ban lower with Jewell trigger or EA-Wilson RR lower
- Accuracy Speaks dedicated 22LR upper cut to 11 1/2"
- Ciener 22LR conversion
- Gemtech Hornet suppressor
- Trijicon ACOG TA50-4
- Hogue grip
- Colt M4 handguards
- CAR stock
- MWS/GGG sling-support
- KKF Ciener magazine conversion


Link Posted: 5/29/2002 4:32:12 AM EDT
beautiful rifle !! is the upper a dedicated upper for.22LR ?

i am giving deep thot to getting one of those scopes, how good is it for day tyme shooting ??
Link Posted: 5/29/2002 4:43:48 AM EDT

beautiful rifle !! is the upper a dedicated upper for.22LR ?

i am giving deep thot to getting one of those scopes, how good is it for day tyme shooting ??

Yes, the upper is dedicated. It does not use the .223 chamber adapter that comes with the Ciener kit. The "bolt rails" hook directly into the 22LR barrel extension.

Nice little scope, lighted (tritium) reticle sort of washes out a little in the bright sun-light. I had it from another gun that I had sold and put it on the 22LR. For the money, you could probably do better for a dedicated 22LR application. Great little scope, though. Very fast target acqisition.

Here's a picture of the Ciener attachment to the barrel extension:

Link Posted: 5/29/2002 5:07:42 AM EDT

great !! that is really interesting !! your rifle has inspired me to build one from scratch for just strictly .22LR shooting..., as soon as i find two more pre-ban Bushys for my collection...!
Link Posted: 5/29/2002 5:53:22 AM EDT
The Ciener kit is good in a semi-auto AR-15 as they will shoot very well as described above.  THE CIENER KIT KICKS ASS when used with a full auto M-16!!!

I couldn't guess how many thousands of rounds I had put through my M-16 using a Ciener 22 conversion and the rate of fire is wildly fast!  With a 30-rd mag I have seen the first ejected case just hit the ground while the last round is being fired!  The impression is just like a carnival BB gun with no recoil and little noise compared to a 223.

I didn't know that the 30-rd Ciener mags had dried up.  I am glad I stuck a couple away but I wish I had more.  I used three uppers with my 22 conversion the first was a 16-inch LW upper with a standard 1:9 twist.  It worked great but was the least accurate of the uppers I used.  The second upper was a 11.5-inch Bushmaster HBAR with their 1:9 barrel.  This was used with my M-16 so I didn't need the long flash supressor but I am sure the longer supressor would not affect anything.  With this upper I could snipe flys off the 25-FOOT pistol targets with a better than 90% kill ratio (A little rotten stuff produced plenty of targets!).  My favorite upper was a dedicated 22 upper built by Kurt and it had a 5.5-inch barrel hidden under a standard length carbine forend grip.  This little upper was just as accurate at the 11.5-inch upper but whith a Bushnell Holosite I was able to really shoot with that upper.

Unfortionately, I sold the M-16 and all my NFA uppers due to a job relocation.  Now it is time to start saving for another M-16 and this time I am planning to go with a dedicated 22 LR upper with a 11.5-inch barrel.  The real short upper was allot of fun but I like using iron sites and the midget barrel didn't allow this!  I was real happy with the work Kurt did for me on the last upper so he will get my buisness again!

Good Luck,
Link Posted: 5/29/2002 7:30:08 AM EDT
I've got one for one of my M16's.  In semi it works fine, but in full-auto, its unreliable.  One of those 'works in progress' I suppose; I'll get it figured out and working good eventually though. Didn't know the 30rd mags had dried up. I've got about a dozen good ones but I would have liked to get more - loading them at the range is such a colossal pain in the ass.

Rick Keuhl (sp?) makes a great dedicated .22 upper using a modified Ciener system, but its a true .22LR barrel and it completely eliminates the chamber insert.
Link Posted: 5/29/2002 9:47:42 AM EDT
I also had some troubles with the Ciener kit but with time solutions were found.

The biggest problem I had involved the feed lips on several of my mags.  I needed to close the feed lip opening ever so slightly to make sure that the round being fed did not end up hitting the Ciener carier as it ejected the previous round.  You can tell if you have this problem by cycling rounds through your rifle using the charging handle.

The second MAJOR thing that must be determined is what ammo will work.  The ammo that worked best for me was Remington Standard Velocity Target Ammo.  With this ammo I could shoot several hundred rounds before a stove pipe (the most common problem with Ciener Conversions).  Just the same, everybody's conversion kit can be a little different so I would try a number of different rounds.  I have a Buddy that can use the cheap Remington High Velocity ammo with no problems in this AR-15.  

Now, if you have problems in semi auto, it will only get worse in full auto.  These are the two areas I needed to change to get my kit working but I have read of people modifying the springs, the anti-bounce weight (M-16 only), as well as buffing things smooth.  I didn't do any of these things!

Good Luck!
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