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Posted: 10/26/2004 9:18:09 AM EDT
What models exist and what are they running? Looking for bolt guns mainly. Or what will it take to convert say an M38 to .308?
TIA
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 9:21:37 AM EDT
I the the Enfield 'jungle carbine' is available from time to time in .308 and is C&R.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 9:34:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/26/2004 9:34:56 AM EDT by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By grywlf52:
What models exist and what are they running? Looking for bolt guns mainly. Or what will it take to convert say an M38 to .308?
TIA



Hacked Einfelds (Indians reworked them to .308), that's about it...

Almost everything else is 8mm, 30-06, .303, or 7.62x54R

And converting destroys C&R status

Oh, it also costs more than a far more accurate SAVAGE 10FP
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 10:28:57 AM EDT
Thanks for the replies. So changing out a barrel negates the C&R status? Dammit
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 2:03:29 PM EDT
I believe the spanish FR-8 is a mauser based .308 C&R. Also, some FN-49 variants.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 2:12:13 PM EDT
Didn't the Israeli's convert some mausers to 7.62x51?
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 4:15:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By yugosksfan:
Didn't the Israeli's convert some mausers to 7.62x51?



That they did
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:15:06 PM EDT
I had a Spanish FR8 once, I was amazed at how accurate it was for a carbine.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:49:57 PM EDT
i have a mauser 98 made by steyr for chile in 7x57 . in the 60s chile converted them to 7.62x51 with modified springfield 1903 barrels and modified magazines. these are very nice.
Link Posted: 10/26/2004 7:53:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MakoMan:
I had a Spanish FR8 once, I was amazed at how accurate it was for a carbine.



+1 on the accuracy, still have one
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 2:20:47 AM EDT
Quite alot of C&R in .308....but most of them are pricey.

Look at Enfields for instance, other than the 2A1 Ishapore (Indian rifles) there are:

DCRA Converted No4's from Canada.
L8
L39A1
L42A1
Parker Hale T4/Envoy

All of these are very pricey and fairly uncommon, but they are C&R.

There are also some Spanish Mausers in .308.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 5:30:53 AM EDT
Thanks All. Time to do some looking.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 8:37:11 AM EDT

spanish FR8

crappy pic but for the $$ its this or an enfield! and i lik ethese alot better than an enfield.
but thats just me....
i love mine,,, and wont ever sell it!,
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 11:43:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BridgerNY:
I believe the spanish FR-8 is a mauser based .308 C&R. Also, some FN-49 variants.



I think .308 FN-49s are Argentinians. SOG advertised them in SGN, IIRC.i
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 12:02:14 PM EDT
Is that FR-8 semi-auto? Awsome looking gun.
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 1:35:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 12:45:26 AM EDT
Would Israeli Mausers be C&R anyone know anyone selling them?
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 3:13:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/28/2004 3:14:51 AM EDT by protus]

Originally Posted By Corbic:
Is that FR-8 semi-auto? Awsome looking gun.


no its a bolt action,,on a 98 mauser reciver, rest of it is set up to duplicate the cetme rifle(it was a go between when the cetme was introduced in the 50's)

for semi's you may try for a 49/56 MAS,,my bro has one,, very nice rifle,,, no issues at all...

mas
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 4:30:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/28/2004 4:35:06 AM EDT by Mahatma8Rice]
The Indian 2A and 2A1 rifles are not hacked together. These rifles were made with a higher grade of steel than the earlier Indian SMLEs made in .303. These two rifles may the best permutations of the greatest bolt action MBR ever made.

Yes, the Israeli .308 rifles are C&R. There are several common versions. You have the recycled Czech VZ24 receivers that often have the Czech rampant lion on them. I have seen Israeli .308 rifles made from recycled NAZI-marked K98k receivers (and many with WaA-marked parts). Also, you will find the FN-made Mausers (intermediate length actions) that are in .308. In the 50s and 60s, these rifles were rebarreled into .308. Virtually all of them are on 50 year old receivers, so they are unavoidably C&R.

As for the effect of modifications on C&R rifles.

If the rifle's receiver (the "legal" part of the firearm) is at least 50 years old, then it doesn't matter what modifications you make to it as long as they are legal for any firearm.

For those C&Rs that are less than 50 years old, modifications can cause them to lose their C&R status. For example, a C&R missing parts is considered a C&R. Century has shipped many thousands of UFixEms in this condition as C&Rs without any legal problems. It is no secret to ATF that CAI does this.

However, when you start adding non-original parts to a C&R less than 50 years ago, you begin to change its status. If you take a GEW98 and replace its barrel in a non-original caliber but maintain its outward appearance, you are likely getting into an area that the ATF really doesn't care about. However, turn a younger C&R into some sort fantasy sporter, and it won't be C&R anymore.

The ATF has many rules. I imagine they have many more than they have the time, resources, and interest in vigorously enforcing. Minor changes in C&R weaqpons and the now ridiculous enforcable 922(r) are two of them.

I am not advocating breaking any laws. I'm just saying that flauting the law will bring you grief while minor statutory infractions are not worth losing sleep over.

Guys, 9-11 changed everything.....and I mean everything.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 9:09:34 AM EDT
Mainly, when he talks about younger C&R he is referring to the SKS, which when you start throwing on a Pistol grip, detatch mag and folder becomes and assualt rifle and falls under those laws and will lose its C&R status.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 4:21:00 PM EDT
THe chilean M1912 (model 98) mausers are nice. I'm not sure they changed the magazine or barrels though. The mags wouldn't have to be touched to feed 7.62nato. Judging by mine I'd say that they pulled the barrels, re-chambered and bored and re-installed them back on thier original recievers. I got mine in "good condition" It's all matching and the bore is immaculate (two groove as well) if you could get one of those I'd say go for it. They're also deadly accurate adn make a handy, slick little backup or truck gun while hunting.
Link Posted: 10/30/2004 4:48:46 PM EDT
the short rifles had a 2 groove barrel that was a surplus 1903 barrel. most of the mags got a feed ramp soldered into them. and that styer 1912 action is smooth. the 1912 long rifles were rebored and had a new chamber soldered into place. the short rifle conversion was of much better quality.
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 9:11:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By protus:
img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/protus/IM000782.jpg
spanish FR8

crappy pic but for the $$ its this or an enfield! and i lik ethese alot better than an enfield.
but thats just me....
i love mine,,, and wont ever sell it!,



Yeah, I sold mine years back, I could kick myself.
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