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Posted: 6/29/2008 7:21:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/20/2008 7:42:43 PM EDT by GENESMITH]
**Sorry, no pics as of yet, still working on that.**

I was at a party today and started talking to an older gentleman about guns.

Seems his dad brought back from France (WWII) a rifle that, as his dad called it, was a "Gentlemans Brid Rifle".

He said it is a sinlge shot rifle, (the way he described it, it sounded like carbine length), that takes a cartridge similar to a 9mm, but a little bit longer.

The original cartridge was bird shot. No other info at this time...

He was asking me if I might know anything about it. I asked him if there was any way to get a picture (or let me come take some pics), he said we could get together one day and get some pics of it.


I tried google, but no luck.

Anyone have any idea?


Gene


** UPDATE **

I was able to get some pics today:












Hope this helps.


Gene


Link Posted: 6/29/2008 7:40:48 PM EDT
Sounds like a Flobert 9mm....

Link Posted: 6/30/2008 7:15:40 AM EDT
Bump
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 9:10:17 AM EDT
Sounds like a "Garden Gun." Dime a dozen on the other side of the pond.

Google garden gun.
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 11:04:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SevenMaryThree:
Sounds like a "Garden Gun." Dime a dozen on the other side of the pond.

Google garden gun.


That might be what he was talking about. Found the following HERE




Rifle - Belgian Warnant Garden Gun
Garden Gun manufactured in Belgium. A 6 mm, percussion lock mechanism with a Warnant action. It has a 24 inch hexagonal barrel, which fires shot only. The Museum's example is missing the trigger guard. (Donated by the Stirling Smith Art Gallery and Museum, Accession No 1999.4272)


I'll try to get over to his house so I can get some pics.

Thanks for the help so far.


Gene
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 11:53:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By patrol120:
Sounds like a Flobert 9mm....


I agree.

There are many styles, here's an old FN Flobert 9mm

Link Posted: 6/30/2008 1:36:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By osprey21:

Originally Posted By patrol120:
Sounds like a Flobert 9mm....


I agree.

There are many styles, here's an old FN Flobert 9mm

i30.tinypic.com/29zx382.jpg


didnt winchester also make one too? i think it was called the model 36?
Link Posted: 6/30/2008 2:53:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Uhwarrie:

Originally Posted By osprey21:

Originally Posted By patrol120:
Sounds like a Flobert 9mm....


I agree.

There are many styles, here's an old FN Flobert 9mm

i30.tinypic.com/29zx382.jpg


didnt winchester also make one too? i think it was called the model 36?

Yep, Model 36 made in the 20's
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:43:10 PM EDT
Update first post.
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 8:08:09 AM EDT
bump for the day time
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 10:00:02 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 10:21:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By u352:
It is a French single shot in 12mm made by Société Stéphanoise d'Armes. If you can post clear pix of the shell and any other markings on the weapon I can try to date it.

Air pistol from the same maker



Those were the only markings on the entire gun (except for a #2 near the base of the barrel), and we had to remove the stock to see them.

The shell had a "M" on the bottom, and that was it. He did say it was a rim fire.

Apparently his dad fired off the last 15-20 paper shells before he died (1965), and this was the only one he had left.

He said he had bought some new ones made by Fiochii, but there were all brass.


Thanks so far,

Gene
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 3:27:17 PM EDT
Bump for more info.


Appreciate all the info thus far.


Thanks,


Gene
Link Posted: 7/23/2008 1:11:09 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/23/2008 2:56:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By u352:
Rimfire and no proofs really throws a monkey in the wrench. Is the barrel rifled or smooth? Will a .410 shell fit into the chamber?


I'lll call today about the rifling.

A .410 would not fit in there, it's closer to a 9mm.

The paper cartridge he had was rimfire, as there was no primer.


Gene
Link Posted: 7/23/2008 3:15:14 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/23/2008 3:29:45 AM EDT
I'll get back down there and take some more/better pics of the chamber, and with the cartridge inside.


Thanks again for the help,


Gene
Link Posted: 7/23/2008 4:44:54 AM EDT
The shell pictured is unquestionably a 9mm rimfire.


Paper-case 9mm shotshell next to a metal-case of the same.


I believe the gun to be of French mfg.
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