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Posted: 1/24/2014 4:40:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/24/2014 5:04:01 PM EDT by TrooperKbC]
I'm a little confused about the law. I was under the impression that only a person on the Form 3/trust/corporation is allowed "constructive possession" of the suppressor. That was said to include borrowing under owner supervision.

There are lots of people here saying "come hang out and try my can". Am I wrong or is that a felony? Sure, there may be no one to ask questions on 50 acres of private property, but...
Link Posted: 1/24/2014 4:49:08 PM EDT
If you're present you can let anybody use your nfa stuff. Constructive possession only applies to having the parts to illegally assemble an nfa item.
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 6:33:00 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 11:58:03 AM EDT
Just think about all of the machine gun shoots, ranges that rent machine guns etc.  If it was illegal, those wouldn't be around long.
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 3:17:59 PM EDT
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Just think about all of the machine gun shoots, ranges that rent machine guns etc.  If it was illegal, those wouldn't be around long.
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I just supposed a registered FFL dealer had additional rights to rent items. I have been under the impression the point of a trust is so you can share with the people around you. I guess I misunderstood and got a trust for nothing. Crap. I could have saved $200.
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Originally Posted By TrooperKbC:
I just supposed a registered FFL dealer had additional rights to rent items. I have been under the impression the point of a trust is so you can share with the people around you. I guess I misunderstood and got a trust for nothing. Crap. I could have saved $200.
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Originally Posted By bwideman:

Just think about all of the machine gun shoots, ranges that rent machine guns etc.  If it was illegal, those wouldn't be around long.




I just supposed a registered FFL dealer had additional rights to rent items. I have been under the impression the point of a trust is so you can share with the people around you. I guess I misunderstood and got a trust for nothing. Crap. I could have saved $200.
My trust allows others on my trust, such as my brother, father, wife and eventually children to have possession of any of my Title II stuff without me needing to be present.  Like now, my dad uses items on the trust at matches, and can do so without me needing to be there.



Also the trust allows you to eFile, for now it also eliminates the need for photos, fingerprints and CLEO signoff.



 
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 4:52:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bwideman:
My trust allows others on my trust, such as my brother, father, wife and eventually children to have possession of any of my Title II stuff without me needing to be present.  Like now, my dad uses items on the trust at matches, and can do so without me needing to be there.

Also the trust allows you to eFile, for now it also eliminates the need for photos, fingerprints and CLEO signoff.
 
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Originally Posted By TrooperKbC:
Originally Posted By bwideman:
Just think about all of the machine gun shoots, ranges that rent machine guns etc.  If it was illegal, those wouldn't be around long.


I just supposed a registered FFL dealer had additional rights to rent items. I have been under the impression the point of a trust is so you can share with the people around you. I guess I misunderstood and got a trust for nothing. Crap. I could have saved $200.
My trust allows others on my trust, such as my brother, father, wife and eventually children to have possession of any of my Title II stuff without me needing to be present.  Like now, my dad uses items on the trust at matches, and can do so without me needing to be there.

Also the trust allows you to eFile, for now it also eliminates the need for photos, fingerprints and CLEO signoff.
 


+1 (pending any ATF rulings on trusts...) they are absolutely the way to go and offer some great benefits. Your $200 was wisely spent.
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 8:06:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TrooperKbC:


I just supposed a registered FFL dealer had additional rights to rent items. I have been under the impression the point of a trust is so you can share with the people around you. I guess I misunderstood and got a trust for nothing. Crap. I could have saved $200.
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Originally Posted By TrooperKbC:
Originally Posted By bwideman:
Just think about all of the machine gun shoots, ranges that rent machine guns etc.  If it was illegal, those wouldn't be around long.


I just supposed a registered FFL dealer had additional rights to rent items. I have been under the impression the point of a trust is so you can share with the people around you. I guess I misunderstood and got a trust for nothing. Crap. I could have saved $200.


A trust is so other people listed as Trustee's can use your nfa items without you being present. Example, your dad is listed on your trust. He can go hunting with your NFA item without you. You can be sitting at home watching a football game.

Otherwise, you would need to be present with him when he uses it. In the example above, you would need to be out hunting with him walking right behind him.
Link Posted: 1/25/2014 10:16:16 PM EDT
That clears it up. Thanks guys. I better buy the few more I want while my trust is still effective (prior to potential 41P changes).
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