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Posted: 1/22/2009 9:34:15 AM EST
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Spoke to the NFA office today, 2-3 weeks backlogged. And yes engraving is mandatory on reciever
Link Posted: 1/22/2009 1:54:59 PM EST
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Spoke to the NFA office today, 2-3 weeks backlogged. And yes engraving is mandatory on reciever


Engraving is manditory. It must be visible without disassembly.  But it need not be on the receiver.
Link Posted: 1/22/2009 5:32:49 PM EST
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Spoke to the NFA office today, 2-3 weeks backlogged. And yes engraving is mandatory on reciever


Engraving is manditory. It must be visible without disassembly.  But it need not be on the receiver.


Hold on. Here we go again.

Link Posted: 1/22/2009 5:38:34 PM EST
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Engraving is manditory. It must be visible without disassembly.  But it need not be on the receiver.


uh,,, what?!

you do realize that the receiver is the firearm, right?
Link Posted: 1/22/2009 5:53:57 PM EST
I'm confused. Are we talking about SBRs? I'm NOT offering ANY legal advice, but as I read the law engraving is not mandatory. Unless you are making something from scratch, as in a can, the original rec. markings are will suffice.

I have two SBRs on form 1s w/no additional engraving. The ATF was happy enough to approve them (on two different occassions) so why should I be concerned.
Link Posted: 1/22/2009 6:47:51 PM EST
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Engraving is manditory. It must be visible without disassembly.  But it need not be on the receiver.


uh,,, what?!

you do realize that the receiver is the firearm, right?


When you build a SBR or SBS, it needs to have a barrel to be short - right ? Why not engrave the barrel, or a short upper, etc.

This is A-ok, and it's often beaten to death.
Link Posted: 1/22/2009 6:49:06 PM EST
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I'm confused. Are we talking about SBRs? I'm NOT offering ANY legal advice, but as I read the law engraving is not mandatory. Unless you are making something from scratch, as in a can, the original rec. markings are will suffice.

I have two SBRs on form 1s w/no additional engraving. The ATF was happy enough to approve them (on two different occassions) so why should I be concerned.



You need to engrave anything you do on a form 1.  Not reqd for a form 4.   Form 1 means you are making something new (SBR, for example).   There was an original manufacturer of a rifle, but you are 'manufacturing' the SBR, so you need your info on it as well.
Link Posted: 1/22/2009 6:49:45 PM EST


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Engraving is manditory. It must be visible without disassembly.  But it need not be on the receiver.




uh,,, what?!



you do realize that the receiver is the firearm, right?




When you build a SBR or SBS, it needs to have a barrel to be short - right ? Why not engrave the barrel, or a short upper, etc.



This is A-ok, and it's often beaten to death.


Right.  I don't recommend it, but it's kosher.  





 
Link Posted: 1/22/2009 6:54:44 PM EST
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Engraving is manditory. It must be visible without disassembly.  But it need not be on the receiver.


uh,,, what?!

you do realize that the receiver is the firearm, right?


When you build a SBR or SBS, it needs to have a barrel to be short - right ? Why not engrave the barrel, or a short upper, etc.

This is A-ok, and it's often beaten to death.




You listed the serial number of the lower on the form one.        Colt # xxxxxxxxx

Go ahead and engrave the barrel.

Put that short barrel on Bushmaster Lower # XXXXXXXXX

If the BATFE wanted too, you may be on your way to Butt busting prison.

I can see a BATFE agent asking to see your Form 1 that is for a Colt # XXXXXXXXX

He says this lower is a Bushmaster. Come along with me son.                            

Link Posted: 1/22/2009 6:54:45 PM EST
You can engrave the upper or even the barrel when last I checked. Problem with this method is that every upper you put on the (registered SBR lower) would need to be engraved regardless of the uppers barrel length. It just makes sense to engrave the lower once and your done..
Link Posted: 1/22/2009 7:04:22 PM EST


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Engraving is manditory. It must be visible without disassembly.  But it need not be on the receiver.




uh,,, what?!



you do realize that the receiver is the firearm, right?




When you build a SBR or SBS, it needs to have a barrel to be short - right ? Why not engrave the barrel, or a short upper, etc.



This is A-ok, and it's often beaten to death.

You listed the serial number of the lower on the form one.        Colt # xxxxxxxxx



Go ahead and engrave the barrel.



Put that short barrel on Bushmaster Lower # XXXXXXXXX



If the BATFE wanted too, you may be on your way to Butt busting prison.



I can see a BATFE agent asking to see your Form 1 that is for a Colt # XXXXXXXXX



He says this lower is a Bushmaster. Come along with me son.                            






He's not talking about using the short upper on a different lower.  That would be illegal.  The upper needs to stay on the registered lower.  That's why I don't recommend engraving the upper.



But it's legal.





 
Link Posted: 1/22/2009 8:29:21 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/23/2009 12:10:46 AM EST
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I'm confused. Are we talking about SBRs? I'm NOT offering ANY legal advice, but as I read the law engraving is not mandatory. Unless you are making something from scratch, as in a can, the original rec. markings are will suffice.

I have two SBRs on form 1s w/no additional engraving. The ATF was happy enough to approve them (on two different occassions) so why should I be concerned.


I was caught up on this when I first got into NFA also, spurred by disinformation provided by some illustrious ATF agents. Anyway, in their eyes. Modifying something into an NFA and manufacturing an NFA are synonymous. As said before engraving is mandatory.

Link Posted: 1/23/2009 6:09:51 AM EST
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I'm confused. Are we talking about SBRs? I'm NOT offering ANY legal advice, but as I read the law engraving is not mandatory. Unless you are making something from scratch, as in a can, the original rec. markings are will suffice.

I have two SBRs on form 1s w/no additional engraving. The ATF was happy enough to approve them (on two different occassions) so why should I be concerned.


I was caught up on this when I first got into NFA also, spurred by disinformation provided by some illustrious ATF agents. Anyway, in their eyes. Modifying something into an NFA and manufacturing an NFA are synonymous. As said before engraving is mandatory.





Just like GD.

Take the simplest instructions and then go 10 different ways with it.

Do the Barrel, it's not mandatory, I did 2 with out engraving, no one arrested me yet.

Just engrave the registered lower, once, use any upper you want on it.

Simple, one time engraving, supported by the regulations.

Just Engrave the Lower.            

Link Posted: 1/24/2009 7:15:45 AM EST
I was laughing at myself and my own ignorance of the law. Its funny how each of us has some exposure to the NFA laws through some phone conversations or business dealings and we all have formed different interpretations of the law. Usually based on information that was received by credible sources? I like the posters comment of "here we go again" Im not trying to go anywhere with the post but you must admit we thrive off the tidbits of NFA information gathered. I continue to laugh at myself. Just pissed its going to be so long before I can order my upper
Link Posted: 1/25/2009 5:57:47 AM EST


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I'm confused. Are we talking about SBRs? I'm NOT offering ANY legal advice, but as I read the law engraving is not mandatory. Unless you are making something from scratch, as in a can, the original rec. markings are will suffice.



I have two SBRs on form 1s w/no additional engraving. The ATF was happy enough to approve them (on two different occassions) so why should I be concerned.




I was caught up on this when I first got into NFA also, spurred by disinformation provided by some illustrious ATF agents. Anyway, in their eyes. Modifying something into an NFA and manufacturing an NFA are synonymous. As said before engraving is mandatory.




Just like GD.



Take the simplest instructions and then go 10 different ways with it.



Do the Barrel, it's not mandatory, I did 2 with out engraving, no one arrested me yet.



Just engrave the registered lower, once, use any upper you want on it.



Simple, one time engraving, supported by the regulations.



Just Engrave the Lower.            






I can see the reasons one might engrave another part of the firearm, but not on the ar-15 platform.  





 
Link Posted: 1/25/2009 11:12:05 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/25/2009 11:18:49 AM EST


So, .003" deep and 1/16" tall, as minimums, right?
There is a minimum height (1/16") for the serial number, but there is no minimum height for the maker's name, city or state.




27 CFR 479.102
Link Posted: 1/25/2009 1:38:39 PM EST
Man, I'm glad I bought a case of microwave popcorn for all these engraving threads.

Kharn
Link Posted: 1/25/2009 1:48:16 PM EST
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