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Posted: 11/24/2014 2:47:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SEAL6]
Looks like the CZ Scorpion Evo 3 pistol will be hitting stores soon. And it will be offered with SigBrace as well. Colin Noir review: http://nrasharp.com/gear/cz-scorpion-evo-3-a1-review/ |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 3:45:50 PM EDT
[#1]
Worth a $200 investment.
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Posted: 11/24/2014 4:26:30 PM EDT
[#2]
This is going to blow the MPX out of the water.
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DJI
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Posted: 11/24/2014 4:37:47 PM EDT
[#3]
$895...
Sonofa... i'm gonna have to clean the coins out of the couch and carseats |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2014 4:58:25 PM EDT
[#4]
This thing is so awesome looking.....like something straight out of a futuristic scifi alien blasting movie!
I want to see a breakdown though... |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 5:02:15 PM EDT
[#5]
Whats the release date on that? That is very much coming home with me soon hopefully. And totally worth a $200 stamp to SBR that beast. AND $20.00 magazines!
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Posted: 11/24/2014 5:42:45 PM EDT
[#6]
I want to see one but the fact that it is blowback operated doesn't impress me. If the MPX is $1500 though I will never buy one so will just have to get over that quibble.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2014 6:23:36 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jlficken:
I want to see one but the fact that it is blowback operated doesn't impress me. If the MPX is $1500 though I will never buy one so will just have to get over that quibble. I'm gonna guess gas operated SMG's never caught on for a reason. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2014 6:24:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cbell77]
[#8]
CZ USA says they have them in stock gonna call my dealer tomorrow!
Edit: they do not say they have them in stock but they say on their website that they are out in the USA now so will see. Edit#2: decided to call because it was not to late. Salesman said they cant get a hold of them yet and mentioned it would probably be a month or 2. |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 6:27:57 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BravoSector1:
Worth a $200 investment. Definitely. 
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WA, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2014 6:36:45 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rcbif:
I'm gonna guess gas operated SMG's never caught on for a reason. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rcbif:
Originally Posted By jlficken:
I want to see one but the fact that it is blowback operated doesn't impress me. If the MPX is $1500 though I will never buy one so will just have to get over that quibble. I'm gonna guess gas operated SMG's never caught on for a reason. Because the MP5 back in it's prime did its job very well and submachine guns aren't used much anymore so no one saw a need to improve it? That would be my guess. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2014 7:27:23 PM EDT
[#11]
Bet when it comes out wholesale price will be around 500. Impressive.
needs moar three lug and suppressor |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 7:36:28 PM EDT
[#12]
I doubt we'd see $500;but maybe mass sales of these would drive the Sig MPX and MP5 clones down to reasonable prices.
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Posted: 11/24/2014 7:57:32 PM EDT
[#13]
group buys??? i wonder if anybody can pull one of those off.. ??
because i would be in like flynn! |
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Posted: 11/24/2014 8:44:48 PM EDT
[#14]
Yes please
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OH, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2014 9:38:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: rcbif]
[#15]
Just in-case this guns fire resistance was a make-or-break factor when buying this gun, rest assured, you can be engulfed in flames for at-least 30 seconds, and your firearm will still function.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWyrzV1LIIo |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2014 9:52:12 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rcbif:
Just in-case this guns fire resistance was a make-or-break factor when buying this gun, rest assured, you can be engulfed in flames for at-least 30 seconds, and your firearm will still function. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWyrzV1LIIo Great that was gonna be my next question. I hate being on fire and not being able to shoot my carbine  .
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LA, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2014 12:20:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mjc1677]
[#17]
So much for building a 9mm AR. This will be badass!!!!
But will we be able to get the CZ stock that goes with it to SBR it? I don't want the damn sig brace or ar15 stock on it. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2014 2:34:46 AM EDT
[#18]
I'm sure well be able to get stocks for these one way or another, form 1 all the way baby!
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Posted: 11/25/2014 2:47:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThRob:
I'm sure well be able to get stocks for these one way or another, form 1 all the way baby! I will wait till the stocks are a sure thing and then I will drop the hammer. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2014 3:24:39 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:
I will wait till the stocks are a sure thing and then I will drop the hammer. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:
Originally Posted By ThRob:
I'm sure well be able to get stocks for these one way or another, form 1 all the way baby! I will wait till the stocks are a sure thing and then I will drop the hammer. This. At least by the looks of it the OE stock should be a snap on affair once the stamp is received. Here's a look at the Euro semi auto version: http://www.all4shooters.com/en/articles/pistols/2013/CZ-Scorpion-Evo-S1-Pistol/?p=1 |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2014 3:59:35 AM EDT
[#21]
Does anyone know what the thread pitch is on the barrel?
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USA
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Posted: 11/25/2014 6:19:24 AM EDT
[#22]
That thing would be badass in a 10mm or 9x23 variant.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:02:34 AM EDT
[#23]
If you were to make a SBR out of one, where does the MFG info get put? On the plastic, or is there metal to be found?
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:04:35 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-TRVLR:
If you were to make a SBR out of one, where does the MFG info get put? On the plastic, or is there metal to be found? Only the serial number is required to be engraved in metal. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:37:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: rcbif]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshAston:
Only the serial number is required to be engraved in metal. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By AR-TRVLR:
If you were to make a SBR out of one, where does the MFG info get put? On the plastic, or is there metal to be found? Only the serial number is required to be engraved in metal. Never heard of that one. All the Glock SBR owners must be breaking the rules then.... |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 9:47:10 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rcbif:
Never heard of that one. All the Glock SBR owners must be breaking the rules then.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rcbif:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By AR-TRVLR:
If you were to make a SBR out of one, where does the MFG info get put? On the plastic, or is there metal to be found? Only the serial number is required to be engraved in metal. Never heard of that one. All the Glock SBR owners must be breaking the rules then.... How are they breaking any rules? The serial number on a Glock is already on a metal plate as required by the ATF. You don't need a new serial number when you Form 1 an existing firearm, you just reuse the original serial number, model number, caliber, etc. That leaves you with only the maker and city, state that have to be engraved. Required markings for manufactured Title I and all Title II guns are: Serial Number (must be marked in metal and meet height and depth requirements) Maker, Manufacturer, or Importer City and State of Maker,Manufacturer, or Importer Caliber Model Name/Number Makers and Importers do not have to make up new markings if they are already present, they can use whatever the original manufacturer put on there as long as it complies with the law. Obviously they will have to mark their name and city/state as the manufacturer isn't going to. If you did happen to live in the same city and state as the original manufacturer or importer of your firearm when you Form 1ed it you wouldn't have to repeat those markings, you'd just have to add your name. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2014 10:17:05 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshAston:
How are they breaking any rules? The serial number on a Glock is already on a metal plate as required by the ATF. You don't need a new serial number when you Form 1 an existing firearm, you just reuse the original serial number, model number, caliber, etc. That leaves you with only the maker and city, state that have to be engraved. Required markings for manufactured Title I and all Title II guns are: Serial Number (must be marked in metal and meet height and depth requirements) Maker, Manufacturer, or Importer City and State of Maker,Manufacturer, or Importer Caliber Model Name/Number Makers and Importers do not have to make up new markings if they are already present, they can use whatever the original manufacturer put on there as long as it complies with the law. Obviously they will have to mark their name and city/state as the manufacturer isn't going to. If you did happen to live in the same city and state as the original manufacturer or importer of your firearm when you Form 1ed it you wouldn't have to repeat those markings, you'd just have to add your name. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By rcbif:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By AR-TRVLR:
If you were to make a SBR out of one, where does the MFG info get put? On the plastic, or is there metal to be found? Only the serial number is required to be engraved in metal. Never heard of that one. All the Glock SBR owners must be breaking the rules then.... How are they breaking any rules? The serial number on a Glock is already on a metal plate as required by the ATF. You don't need a new serial number when you Form 1 an existing firearm, you just reuse the original serial number, model number, caliber, etc. That leaves you with only the maker and city, state that have to be engraved. Required markings for manufactured Title I and all Title II guns are: Serial Number (must be marked in metal and meet height and depth requirements) Maker, Manufacturer, or Importer City and State of Maker,Manufacturer, or Importer Caliber Model Name/Number Makers and Importers do not have to make up new markings if they are already present, they can use whatever the original manufacturer put on there as long as it complies with the law. Obviously they will have to mark their name and city/state as the manufacturer isn't going to. If you did happen to live in the same city and state as the original manufacturer or importer of your firearm when you Form 1ed it you wouldn't have to repeat those markings, you'd just have to add your name. sorry I kinda wasted your time, as I misread the post I quoted 
Gotta wait till after breakfast, then I'm 100% functioning
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Posted: 11/25/2014 10:28:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cbell77:
Great that was gonna be my next question. I hate being on fire and not being able to shoot my carbine .Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cbell77:
Originally Posted By rcbif:
Just in-case this guns fire resistance was a make-or-break factor when buying this gun, rest assured, you can be engulfed in flames for at-least 30 seconds, and your firearm will still function. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWyrzV1LIIo Great that was gonna be my next question. I hate being on fire and not being able to shoot my carbine .You are so right. I have passed up so many rifles saying, 'yeah, but can I shoot it when I'm on fire?' |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 2:26:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: usmc0331tamu00]
[#29]
WANT! WANT!! WANT!!!
Shut up and take my money. Where do I sign up? |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 2:53:15 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hauslp:
This is going to blow the MPX out of the water. Yup. PDs, SOF units, and other professional users are gonna totally skip the MPX in favor of a foreign built novelty PCC with a SIG Brace on it. 
Those types of organizations have had the opportunity to buy these guns in their non-neutered form already, and it's gained little adoption. Those same organizations have already put out POs and RFIs to seriously look at adopting the MPX. I see the civilian market closer to the Berretta Storm or 9mm ARs. It's a cool gun, but I don't see the true market of the MPX being affected by the Evo. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2014 3:04:43 PM EDT
[#31]
Price point is what's going to make this a better seller on the commercial market than the MPX. The way things are going the MPX will still be unobtanium when the Scorpion is released.
Plus speaking for myself I won't give Cohen's bastardized SIG Sauer a penny. |
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Posted: 11/25/2014 3:52:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Firestarter123]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Yup. PDs, SOF units, and other professional users are gonna totally skip the MPX in favor of a foreign built novelty PCC with a SIG Brace on it.
Those types of organizations have had the opportunity to buy these guns in their non-neutered form already, and it's gained little adoption. Those same organizations have already put out POs and RFIs to seriously look at adopting the MPX. I see the civilian market closer to the Berretta Storm or 9mm ARs. It's a cool gun, but I don't see the true market of the MPX being affected by the Evo. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By hauslp:
This is going to blow the MPX out of the water. Yup. PDs, SOF units, and other professional users are gonna totally skip the MPX in favor of a foreign built novelty PCC with a SIG Brace on it.
Those types of organizations have had the opportunity to buy these guns in their non-neutered form already, and it's gained little adoption. Those same organizations have already put out POs and RFIs to seriously look at adopting the MPX. I see the civilian market closer to the Berretta Storm or 9mm ARs. It's a cool gun, but I don't see the true market of the MPX being affected by the Evo. I was really into the MPX until they released the pricing. The real market for these PCC's (in civilian terms) is for a fun time at the range as the door kickers can already get the non-neutered versions if they want them. I can have lots of fun with an $800 EVO while there is no chance I will be spending $1500 on an MPX as it would be over $2000 by the time I get the stamp and real stock compared to maybe $1100 for the EVO. For an AR-15 SBR in a real rifle caliber I can see the cost being justified but not on a 9mm. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2014 5:15:03 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Yup. PDs, SOF units, and other professional users are gonna totally skip the MPX in favor of a foreign built novelty PCC with a SIG Brace on it.
Those types of organizations have had the opportunity to buy these guns in their non-neutered form already, and it's gained little adoption. Those same organizations have already put out POs and RFIs to seriously look at adopting the MPX. I see the civilian market closer to the Berretta Storm or 9mm ARs. It's a cool gun, but I don't see the true market of the MPX being affected by the Evo. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By hauslp:
This is going to blow the MPX out of the water. Yup. PDs, SOF units, and other professional users are gonna totally skip the MPX in favor of a foreign built novelty PCC with a SIG Brace on it.
Those types of organizations have had the opportunity to buy these guns in their non-neutered form already, and it's gained little adoption. Those same organizations have already put out POs and RFIs to seriously look at adopting the MPX. I see the civilian market closer to the Berretta Storm or 9mm ARs. It's a cool gun, but I don't see the true market of the MPX being affected by the Evo. Pretty sure it's a given in this thread we are talking about the "civilian pistol version". The full auto real deal is irrelevant to 95%+ of people on this forum. So are far as the civilian market goes, the person you quoted is likely right.... |
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USA
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Posted: 11/25/2014 6:21:42 PM EDT
[#34]
They have a Sig arm brace adapter for this too! Dang. First CZ product that I think is pretty sweet
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Posted: 11/25/2014 8:27:11 PM EDT
[#35]
So, does anyone know where we to go to preorder this beauty?
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Posted: 11/26/2014 1:45:35 AM EDT
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I want foldable stock. I for sure want but would like to make sure I can get a stock for it. The brace thing doesn't interest me much on it.
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Posted: 11/26/2014 7:55:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jerz_subbie]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jlficken:
I was really into the MPX until they released the pricing. The real market for these PCC's (in civilian terms) is for a fun time at the range as the door kickers can already get the non-neutered versions if they want them. I can have lots of fun with an $800 EVO while there is no chance I will be spending $1500 on an MPX as it would be over $2000 by the time I get the stamp and real stock compared to maybe $1100 for the EVO. For an AR-15 SBR in a real rifle caliber I can see the cost being justified but not on a 9mm. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jlficken:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By hauslp:
This is going to blow the MPX out of the water. Yup. PDs, SOF units, and other professional users are gonna totally skip the MPX in favor of a foreign built novelty PCC with a SIG Brace on it.
Those types of organizations have had the opportunity to buy these guns in their non-neutered form already, and it's gained little adoption. Those same organizations have already put out POs and RFIs to seriously look at adopting the MPX. I see the civilian market closer to the Berretta Storm or 9mm ARs. It's a cool gun, but I don't see the true market of the MPX being affected by the Evo. I was really into the MPX until they released the pricing. The real market for these PCC's (in civilian terms) is for a fun time at the range as the door kickers can already get the non-neutered versions if they want them. I can have lots of fun with an $800 EVO while there is no chance I will be spending $1500 on an MPX as it would be over $2000 by the time I get the stamp and real stock compared to maybe $1100 for the EVO. For an AR-15 SBR in a real rifle caliber I can see the cost being justified but not on a 9mm. Agreed. While the MPX appears to be more highly engineered, no one is doubting CZ quality. So if I can get an Evo3, stock, SBR stamp, and a case of ammo all for less than the MPX alone, I'm betting it'll be a winner. Plus the bastardized look of an MP5 & AR makes the MPX rather unappealing aesthetically, to me. I'll be grabbing the Evo3 as soon as possible, SBR'ing it, and getting a 9mm can. Talk about one SWEET gun! |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 11:54:55 AM EDT
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Not to mention $20ish mags for the EVO compared to $50ish mags for the MPX.
I wish the EVO wasnt blowback but oh well. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2014 1:45:30 PM EDT
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Blowback seems like the way to go with 9mm though, even HK dropped the roller delay and went to simple blowback design when they went to the UMP. Additionally, I wonder if the rotating bolt is whats causing the reliability issues with the mpx? Maybe they shoulda went with blowback too...
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Posted: 11/26/2014 1:52:20 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThRob:
I wonder if the rotating bolt is whats causing the reliability issues with the mpx? Maybe they shoulda went with blowback too... Ron Williams had problems with factory ammo being too dirty and gumming up the guns when he was working on gas operated 9mm ARs. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 2:02:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TCBA_Joe]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshAston:
Ron Williams had problems with factory ammo being too dirty and gumming up the guns when he was working on gas operated 9mm ARs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By ThRob:
I wonder if the rotating bolt is whats causing the reliability issues with the mpx? Maybe they shoulda went with blowback too... Ron Williams had problems with factory ammo being too dirty and gumming up the guns when he was working on gas operated 9mm ARs. Iirc it had more to do with get proper ejection with the light weight bottom heavy casings and a spring loaded ejector. The cases eject much more erratically than happens with heavier centerfire rifle cartridges. No issues with the rotating bolt, operating system, or cleanliness. The rotating bolt allows use of much higher pressure ammo. The gas operating system reduces recoil. Watch a blowback gun in FA and the MPX. 2 completely different levels of controllability. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 2:28:32 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mjc1677:
Does anyone know what the thread pitch is on the barrel? Per FB: "CZ-USA It is a metric 18x1. At the moment SilencerCo is going to make an adapter, we run ours with an Octane 9 can." |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2014 3:11:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jh1990]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jerz_subbie:
Per FB: "CZ-USA It is a metric 18x1. At the moment SilencerCo is going to make an adapter, we run ours with an Octane 9 can." Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jerz_subbie:
Originally Posted By mjc1677:
Does anyone know what the thread pitch is on the barrel? Per FB: "CZ-USA It is a metric 18x1. At the moment SilencerCo is going to make an adapter, we run ours with an Octane 9 can." Good news! They also say they are planning on bringing the factory folding stock. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 3:55:01 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hauslp:
This is going to blow the MPX out of the water. Yep. I want. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 4:01:09 PM EDT
[#45]
Here's a promo vid with graphical assembly
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Posted: 11/26/2014 4:40:49 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jerz_subbie:
Per FB: "CZ-USA It is a metric 18x1. At the moment SilencerCo is going to make an adapter, we run ours with an Octane 9 can." Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jerz_subbie:
Originally Posted By mjc1677:
Does anyone know what the thread pitch is on the barrel? Per FB: "CZ-USA It is a metric 18x1. At the moment SilencerCo is going to make an adapter, we run ours with an Octane 9 can." I have never seen an 18x1 9mm threaded barrel. I wonder why they didn't go with the standard 13.5x1 LH? |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 4:42:37 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryLooking at that, an AR grip adapter should be pretty simple to make. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 4:46:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RDTCU]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshAston:
Looking at that, an AR grip adapter should be pretty simple to make. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshAston:
Looking at that, an AR grip adapter should be pretty simple to make. That was one of my first thoughts as well. Something thicker and more vertical. (that's what she said) |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 4:49:29 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grayparatrooper:
I want foldable stock. I for sure want but would like to make sure I can get a stock for it. The brace thing doesn't interest me much on it. CZ has stated that the stock would be available when you get your stamp. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2014 5:52:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mjc1677]
[#50]
Thanks for the info jerz_subbie.
I was looking all over for it. Spoke with my local gun shop and have my name down for one as soon as they get it. I want to put a 3 lug on the CZ. So hopefully i can get an adapter. HINT HINT somebody!! I will be running my AAC EVO 9 on my CZ EVO 9 when they are released!! Mike |
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