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Posted: 9/9/2018 9:35:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2018 9:35:28 AM EDT by Old_Painless]
For those interested, it appears that Bren 2 is shipping to distributors. There are a few on Gunbroker and the prices are reasonable. Who else is looking forward this?
Link Posted: 9/4/2018 11:58:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2018 11:59:55 PM EDT by pev942]
I am hoping they release the 7.62x39 version that the gign are using.
Link Posted: 9/5/2018 12:15:03 AM EDT
I'm stoked about it. Unless the reviews suck, I'll buy one.
Link Posted: 9/5/2018 12:21:08 AM EDT
Do they have any plans to release it in .308?
Link Posted: 9/5/2018 1:43:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By pev942:
I am hoping they release the 7.62x39 version that the gign are using.
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Link Posted: 9/5/2018 6:28:52 PM EDT
Are these the civilian versions, or the full auto LE models?
Link Posted: 9/5/2018 8:34:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cookyray:
Are these the civilian versions, or the full auto LE models?
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IIRC, the original leo/mil version has been available for a few years, so one presumes this is the semi auto civy variant.
Link Posted: 9/6/2018 9:13:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By pev942:
I am hoping they release the 7.62x39 version that the gign are using.
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I see them available.
Link Posted: 9/7/2018 6:07:57 AM EDT
Omg. Just when I was done purchasing guns for the year
Link Posted: 9/8/2018 2:33:11 PM EDT
What the hell, how'd the civilian model sneak out with no press release or anything?
Link Posted: 9/9/2018 9:44:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By F16stinger:
For those interested, it appears that Bren 2 is shipping to distributors. There are a few on Gunbroker and the prices are reasonable. Who else is looking forward this?
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Dupe. You realize we already have 3 other threads going on the Bren 2, right?
Link Posted: 9/9/2018 10:33:43 AM EDT
These are the current models.

http://cz-usa.com/product-category/scorpionbren/

Future models may or may not come.
Link Posted: 9/9/2018 11:30:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2018 1:27:46 AM EDT by playinARound]
Hats off to CZ. Can’t wait to get my hands on one.
Link Posted: 9/9/2018 1:29:35 PM EDT
This is a limited release. The official release is targeted for next year according to CZ.
Link Posted: 9/9/2018 4:28:23 PM EDT
Is it just pistol variants, not the carbine ?
Link Posted: 9/9/2018 4:38:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2018 4:38:21 PM EDT by jep777]
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Originally Posted By Kwisak:
Is it just pistol variants, not the carbine ?
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Have not seen the carbine for sale anywhere. Come to think of it I’ve never even seen a picture of a non pistol/sbr version of the Bren 2. Is a 16 inch barreled Bren 2 in the works?
Link Posted: 9/9/2018 4:54:03 PM EDT
Looks awesome but that bolt release in the trigger guard is going to be a negligent discharge nightmare.
Link Posted: 9/10/2018 7:29:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DigDug:
Looks awesome but that bolt release in the trigger guard is going to be a negligent discharge nightmare.
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Not if you are following safety protocols. There's a safety switch.

besides, this method of operation is used on the HK G36.
Link Posted: 9/10/2018 8:51:01 PM EDT
Grabagun has some 7.62x39 Bren 2 pistols as well.

https://grabagun.com/firearms/handguns-for-sale/semi-automatic-handguns-for-sale.html?caliber=2886&manufacturer=2382

Still haven’t seen a carbine for sale anywhere.
Link Posted: 9/10/2018 9:53:25 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/13/2018 6:43:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Trpclfvr:

Not if you are following safety protocols. There's a safety switch.

besides, this method of operation is used on the HK G36.
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There hasn't been an epidemic of ARX100 ND's either.
Link Posted: 9/13/2018 6:58:37 PM EDT
I wonder what the thread pitch on these puppies are?
Link Posted: 9/13/2018 8:04:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Noctis:
I wonder what the thread pitch on these puppies are?
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My 14” 5.56 has 1/2x28
Link Posted: 9/14/2018 6:51:31 PM EDT
MAC at the Military Arms Channel mentioned that this batch of Bren 2's was a "one time shipment of this particular configuration" and that the next shipment will have "newer features yet to be disclosed".
Link Posted: 9/14/2018 7:20:02 PM EDT
It would have been nice if they didn't make them uglier.
Link Posted: 9/14/2018 10:45:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ToyCop:
It would have been nice if they didn't make them uglier.
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For pete's sake. Really?
Link Posted: 9/15/2018 12:35:26 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By India303:
For pete's sake. Really?
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Originally Posted By India303:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
It would have been nice if they didn't make them uglier.
For pete's sake. Really?
I dig the rifle, but the PMAG geometric shit all over everything is way over done. All it needs is a battle worn finish too. A lighter version of the first gen would have sufficed.
Link Posted: 9/15/2018 12:52:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 59chevy:

My 14” 5.56 has 1/2x28
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Nice
Link Posted: 9/15/2018 1:34:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ToyCop:
I dig the rifle, but the PMAG geometric shit all over everything is way over done. All it needs is a battle worn finish too. A lighter version of the first gen would have sufficed.
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Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By India303:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
It would have been nice if they didn't make them uglier.
For pete's sake. Really?
I dig the rifle, but the PMAG geometric shit all over everything is way over done. All it needs is a battle worn finish too. A lighter version of the first gen would have sufficed.
You do realize the ribs (PMAG geometric shit) is how they are able to lighten and maintain strength, right?
Link Posted: 9/15/2018 3:43:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ImFarmerTed:
You do realize the ribs (PMAG geometric shit) is how they are able to lighten and maintain strength, right?
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Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By India303:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
It would have been nice if they didn't make them uglier.
For pete's sake. Really?
I dig the rifle, but the PMAG geometric shit all over everything is way over done. All it needs is a battle worn finish too. A lighter version of the first gen would have sufficed.
You do realize the ribs (PMAG geometric shit) is how they are able to lighten and maintain strength, right?
I get it on the receiver, but the stock and grip? C'mon. Removing material makes it less strong, but lighter.

ETA: the best upgrade is the non-reciprocating charging handle. I'll likely buy one.
Link Posted: 9/15/2018 4:37:08 PM EDT
I want a 5.56 but Im really looking forward to that .308.
Link Posted: 9/15/2018 5:03:52 PM EDT
Those who jumped on this shipment of Bren 2 pistols hit the jackpot. Word is, this will be the one and only shipment of military configured Bren 2s. The 2019 release will be the “Americanized” version.
Link Posted: 9/15/2018 6:49:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By WarNerve:
Those who jumped on this shipment of Bren 2 pistols hit the jackpot. Word is, this will be the one and only shipment of military configured Bren 2s. The 2019 release will be the “Americanized” version.
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Any hints as to what this means?
Link Posted: 9/15/2018 7:44:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By abpMN:

Any hints as to what this means?
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I got the 14" 5.56 and it comes exactly like the pics in the LEO/MIL catalog minus the stock and select fire. Barrel has bayo lug with correct flash hider. No idea what if anything will be different when the 2019 release hits.
Link Posted: 9/16/2018 2:35:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By IceAuger:
MAC at the Military Arms Channel mentioned that this batch of Bren 2's was a "one time shipment of this particular configuration" and that the next shipment will have "newer features yet to be disclosed".
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Replace the cheap 6 bolt barrel retention method.  Because it's the 21st century.
Link Posted: 9/16/2018 1:56:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By abpMN:

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AR pistol grip compatible... All the cool kids are doing it... B&T, Haga Design lower, etc.
Link Posted: 9/17/2018 12:20:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Trpclfvr:
Not if you are following safety protocols. There's a safety switch.

besides, this method of operation is used on the HK G36.
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Originally Posted By Trpclfvr:
Originally Posted By DigDug:
Looks awesome but that bolt release in the trigger guard is going to be a negligent discharge nightmare.
Not if you are following safety protocols. There's a safety switch.

besides, this method of operation is used on the HK G36.
If the bolt release is like the vepr12 shotgun I own, I'm going to love the rifle.
Link Posted: 9/17/2018 9:01:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Replace the cheap 6 bolt barrel retention method.  Because it's the 21st century.
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Originally Posted By IceAuger:
MAC at the Military Arms Channel mentioned that this batch of Bren 2's was a "one time shipment of this particular configuration" and that the next shipment will have "newer features yet to be disclosed".
Replace the cheap 6 bolt barrel retention method.  Because it's the 21st century.
Just so they can appease you lol? Youre the only one I see complain. Bren Barrel retention system is better than AR, Tavor, AK, XCR just off the top of my head. A simple allen wrench, no vise, hammer and punch etc.

The AR charging handle deserves far more scrutiny IMO.
Link Posted: 9/18/2018 8:26:26 AM EDT
My only gripe is that I wish they were able to make it lighter. That and I just got my stamp for my 805 . With a loaded mag, optic, ACR stock/adapter, and suppressor on, is heavy AF.

I still want one, but not sure it will be justifiable
Link Posted: 9/18/2018 8:58:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ToyCop:
I get it on the receiver, but the stock and grip? C'mon. Removing material makes it less strong, but lighter.

ETA: the best upgrade is the non-reciprocating charging handle. I'll likely buy one.
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Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By ImFarmerTed:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By India303:
Originally Posted By ToyCop:
It would have been nice if they didn't make them uglier.
For pete's sake. Really?
I dig the rifle, but the PMAG geometric shit all over everything is way over done. All it needs is a battle worn finish too. A lighter version of the first gen would have sufficed.
You do realize the ribs (PMAG geometric shit) is how they are able to lighten and maintain strength, right?
I get it on the receiver, but the stock and grip? C'mon. Removing material makes it less strong, but lighter.

ETA: the best upgrade is the non-reciprocating charging handle. I'll likely buy one.
No, the best upgrade is the gas system.

Fun fact; they changed everything.  I don't think a single part is interchangeable with the 805.
Link Posted: 9/18/2018 9:27:51 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mk4dubbin:
My only gripe is that I wish they were able to make it lighter. That and I just got my stamp for my 805 . With a loaded mag, optic, ACR stock/adapter, and suppressor on, is heavy AF.

I still want one, but not sure it will be justifiable
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Are you talking about the Bren 2 or your 805? One of the major changes to the Bren 2 was the weight. Its about as light as they could make it...about a pound lighter than the 805. My Bren 2s with 14" barrel weighs about 6 pounds.
Link Posted: 9/18/2018 11:58:24 AM EDT
Ordered one of the 8" 556 pistols the other night. Very excited about this.
My 805 is one of my favorite rifles and this looks to solve whatever complaints I do have about it.
Link Posted: 9/18/2018 1:11:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mk4dubbin:
My only gripe is that I wish they were able to make it lighter. That and I just got my stamp for my 805 . With a loaded mag, optic, ACR stock/adapter, and suppressor on, is heavy AF.

I still want one, but not sure it will be justifiable
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Articles I've seen suggest 5 oz weight reduction. I've seen the x39 readily available, but not 5.56. I guess I'll wait a little bit.
Link Posted: 9/19/2018 11:21:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Trpclfvr:

Not if you are following safety protocols. There's a safety switch.

besides, this method of operation is used on the HK G36.
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And the ACR
And the XCR
And the ARX
Link Posted: 9/19/2018 12:09:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Articles I've seen suggest 5 oz weight reduction. I've seen the x39 readily available, but not 5.56. I guess I'll wait a little bit.
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Originally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By mk4dubbin:
My only gripe is that I wish they were able to make it lighter. That and I just got my stamp for my 805 . With a loaded mag, optic, ACR stock/adapter, and suppressor on, is heavy AF.

I still want one, but not sure it will be justifiable
Articles I've seen suggest 5 oz weight reduction. I've seen the x39 readily available, but not 5.56. I guess I'll wait a little bit.
The upper and lower on my 11” 805 weighs approx 6.6lbs
The upper and lower on my 14” Bren 2 weighs approx 5.5lbs
Link Posted: 9/19/2018 9:06:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 59chevy:

The upper and lower on my 11” 805 weighs approx 6.6lbs
The upper and lower on my 14” Bren 2 weighs approx 5.5lbs
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I’ll take it. Shaving an L-B is fantastic. Weight is what I’ve always loved about the SCAR rifles and I think CZ cracked the code on this one. Weight, price, non recipricating CH. Dank memes bro.
Link Posted: 9/22/2018 9:49:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/22/2018 9:49:47 PM EDT by GaryT1776]
My FFL had one this week ...



The proprietary 7.62x39mm mags feel FLIMSY.






I'll wait for the STANAG 556 rifle version, but hope the x39 pistol sells well so CZ does import the 5.56 rifle version.
Link Posted: 9/25/2018 1:40:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ToyCop:
I get it on the receiver, but the stock and grip? C'mon. Removing material makes it less strong, but lighter.

ETA: the best upgrade is the non-reciprocating charging handle. I'll likely buy one.
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I too find that pattern ugly. Will likely stick with my 805 for the time being.

The receiver's polymer - I doubt that waffle pattern really shaved much weight. If anything, weight savings would need to primarily come out of the bolt carrier/piston assembly.
Link Posted: 9/25/2018 9:10:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Apec:

I too find that pattern ugly. Will likely stick with my 805 for the time being.

The receiver's polymer - I doubt that waffle pattern really shaved much weight. If anything, weight savings would need to primarily come out of the bolt carrier/piston assembly.
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The waffle pattern is a method for weight savings while retaining strength. It is the same concept for I-beams.

Here is a photo of a TFE1042, a jet engine made by Honeywell for the Taiwan Indigenous fighter program. See the extensive weight savings from the casing. Lots of machining work to reduce the weight, while maintaining strength.

Link Posted: 9/25/2018 9:15:06 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By GaryT1776:
My FFL had one this week ...

https://preview.ibb.co/hXgqu9/IMG_2105.jpg

The proprietary 7.62x39mm mags feel FLIMSY.

https://preview.ibb.co/bvWOE9/IMG_2112.jpg
https://preview.ibb.co/nngqu9/IMG_2109.jpg
https://preview.ibb.co/c2ts7U/IMG_2110.jpg
https://preview.ibb.co/iV0uMp/IMG_2111.jpg

I'll wait for the STANAG 556 rifle version, but hope the x39 pistol sells well so CZ does import the 5.56 rifle version.
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whyyyyyyy proprietary x39 mags
Link Posted: 9/25/2018 1:26:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mk4dubbin:

whyyyyyyy proprietary x39 mags
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I assume it's because they need to utilize the same magazine retention system as standard AR mags, which
is what allows them to make the basic receiver platform multi-caliber.
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