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Posted: 7/20/2023 11:36:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: Whiskeyballzzz]
Sorry, haven't figured out how to post pics.

In late May took my 01 Army son to the South store to pick out an M1 and we ended up leaving w/ a '54 dated H&R expert in 30-06. We were very happy as it has the greenish park and came w/ the CMP marked form fitted case.

On 6/30/23, I got the itch for a .308 expert and mailed in paperwork requesting another H&R. On 7/11 I received an e-mail that my order was verified but not yet processed. Last night 7/19 received e-mail #2 saying my rifle was being FedExed overnighted.

Got it before the promised 1030 hrs delivery time and am overall happy with it but am pointing out two minor disappointments.

#1 despite a typed note with the order requesting an H&R, I received a serial # 2,4xx,xxx SA which appears to be a Dec. '43 receiver.  Outward appearance is good, no rust and no visible pitting. Looks like greenish park to my old eyes. Have not taken it apart yet. The stock is flawless but very dry.

#2 the case... blah ... My in store purchase came with the CMP marked form fit case with the plastic molded to the rifle. Today's delivery was in a generic Flambeau double rifle egg shell foam case. This will likely be relegated to my shotguns as it's monster sized and well, they are field guns.

Sent an e-mail to CMP questioning the case choice.

I guess I'll be looking for a BOYT like I have for my M1a that I cut the foam for.

Anyone have knowledge as to why the case is different from an in store purchase? Now I wish I would have just flown up to Atlanta again and road tripped back in spite of the 10% tax.

Took it apart and am greasing it right now. No.pitting at all & no rust. It has an SA trigger pack and bolt. Have not pulled the op rod. This just may be a correct grade rifle.

My happy factor just went up 2 notches.
Link Posted: 7/20/2023 1:15:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: svt40] [#1]
Typically, they will try to accommodate a certain manufacturer or time era request.  But if it's not in the next 2-3 rifles then you just get what's on top. It truly is luck of the draw.

The case you describe as receiving is the old style CMP cases.  Another instance of grabbing the next item off the pile to send out. I've gotten both styles in one trip to the S. store.

Link Posted: 7/20/2023 3:06:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: FluffyTheCat] [#2]
Listen up.

First of all you are a rifle hog. It's not right to hoard Garands.

Second of all you need a proper case and proper slings.

Here's a proper sling



This one was made by Joel "East" Berlin. Call him up and tell him that Fluffy the Cat  sent you. Call him at 1-201-674-1084


Here's a proper case by Boyt. It is canvas with waxed cotton twill. It is perfect Garand case.

https://www.amazon.com/Boyt-Harness-Signature-Scoped-Pocket/dp/B00542K5XQ

The Garand in the picture is BMR 66. It is in 6.5x55mm






Link Posted: 7/20/2023 6:39:31 PM EST
[#3]
Fluffy, you make me smile! I enjoy all your posts.
Link Posted: 7/20/2023 8:35:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: FluffyTheCat] [#4]
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Originally Posted By Whiskeyballzzz:
Fluffy, you make me smile! I enjoy all your posts.
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Thank you.  Here's more pictures








Link Posted: 7/27/2023 12:59:48 PM EST
[#5]
Sigh ... Not even the courtesy of a reply Re: the case.
Link Posted: 7/27/2023 7:56:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: captain127] [#6]
CMP goes to different vendors for cases all the time. They will vary based on when you order where it is shipped from etc.
It is not the package but the contents that count.
I myself HATE hard cases. Bulky clunky hard to carry give me a soft case any day.
They can’t always honor requests for specific maker base on what is in stock.
As long as it shoots well live with it
Link Posted: 7/27/2023 8:11:00 PM EST
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Link Posted: 7/27/2023 8:42:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: kbailey3] [#8]
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Originally Posted By captain127:
CMP goes to different vendors for cases all the time. They will vary based on when you order where it is shipped from etc.
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Op, This is true and collecting cases is part of the experience with ordering from the CMP.  I like the mix of cases and I can use the general foam cases for other rifles such as 03's, Mosins, K98's, Enfields, Carbines...  The form fitted M1 cases are nice, but are a one trick pony.  If you want one, keep an eye on the CMP forums for notices of when they start being used again and order another rifle.  Or buy one from the marketplace over there.

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Edit to add my latest Rack Grades (missed the Service Grades), One Springfield Armory with a weird stock stamp. and a H&R that was rebuilt at Red River Army Depot and had a grenade sight removed.
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Chinese? Taiwanese? Both are Philippine returns from the FOIA requests.
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Link Posted: 7/28/2023 6:32:42 AM EST
[Last Edit: Malhass] [#9]
I received my second M1 Garand on Wednesday, generic case . Per the CMP , The case will ship at a later date , check your online account on the EStore  for notes on the bottom of your invoice .
Link Posted: 7/28/2023 6:38:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: vellnueve] [#10]
I prefer the generic cases for versatility. The green ones were awesome.
Link Posted: 7/28/2023 7:33:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: SteelonSteel] [#11]
Those thin shell hard cases are kind of lame in my opinion.   While most of my garands came in cardboard boxes with egg crate foam I have a few, or a couple green cmp marked ones.  I NEVER use them.  I had junk firearms hard cases at work like those, fiddle with them to get the two halves to mate...then the mating effort springs apart because too much gun in there, busted buckles.  

My best suggestion, get a good soft case.   My favorites were Eagle but they don’t make them in the models I love anymore.  If you need a hard shell case buy a good one with no foam.   Put gun in soft case and pack in hard case.  Great set up for those fly to destination events.

Otherwise a big hard case can be a nuisance to fit in certain cars.  I have driven suburbans or four door jeep’s since 2001.   I could stack hard cases with the best of them going to a shoot but some cars won’t even allow a long hard case to fit in the trunk and may be a challenge across the back seat.   A good soft case is so much easier there.

Don’t get me wrong, I bought huge aluminum double gun cases from Ziegel,  giant hard shell plastic from Pelican and Storm.  They were the in thing especially on arf......threads of case outlay designs, make your own foam and foam cutters.  

I almost never use them.   They are a bulky, heavy pain in the ass.  I use the eagle soft cases and a few Boyts I bought later to accommodate stupid long guns like the Krag or the Karl Gustav M96.  The Boyd’s rock too, especially if you buy the nicer ones.  Great pistol rug cases too.


I say all that because I came full circle from Kmart Kolpin basic soft cases, to Flambeau, Doscosil plastic hard cases, to Aluminum and Pelican type cases then back to soft cases with ballistic nylon Eagle and heavy canvass Boyt.   I suspect you may end up going full circle too.
Link Posted: 7/28/2023 8:47:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: fxntime] [#12]
If we would have had the stocks of 7.62x51 that we had of 30/06, the Garand would have been made with a 7.62x51 [.308] barrel. The Garand caliber was simply because we had so much 30/06 stored from previous engagements and wars.


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I left the old time dope on it, it's pretty damn close with USGI Match ammo.

Mine built by Charlie Frazier from Crane Naval. Yes I have the correct leather sling that came with it.
Link Posted: 7/28/2023 3:32:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By fxntime:
If we would have had the stocks of 7.62x51 that we had of 30/06, the Garand would have been made with a 7.62x51 [.308] barrel. The Garand caliber was simply because we had so much 30/06 stored from previous engagements and wars.


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Neither .308 nor 7.62x51mm were developed until the late 40s/early 50s.
Link Posted: 7/28/2023 3:34:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SteelonSteel:
Those thin shell hard cases are kind of lame in my opinion.   While most of my garands came in cardboard boxes with egg crate foam I have a few, or a couple green cmp marked ones.  I NEVER use them.  I had junk firearms hard cases at work like those, fiddle with them to get the two halves to mate...then the mating effort springs apart because too much gun in there, busted buckles.  

My best suggestion, get a good soft case.   My favorites were Eagle but they don’t make them in the models I love anymore.  If you need a hard shell case buy a good one with no foam.   Put gun in soft case and pack in hard case.  Great set up for those fly to destination events.

Otherwise a big hard case can be a nuisance to fit in certain cars.  I have driven suburbans or four door jeep’s since 2001.   I could stack hard cases with the best of them going to a shoot but some cars won’t even allow a long hard case to fit in the trunk and may be a challenge across the back seat.   A good soft case is so much easier there.

Don’t get me wrong, I bought huge aluminum double gun cases from Ziegel,  giant hard shell plastic from Pelican and Storm.  They were the in thing especially on arf......threads of case outlay designs, make your own foam and foam cutters.  

I almost never use them.   They are a bulky, heavy pain in the ass.  I use the eagle soft cases and a few Boyts I bought later to accommodate stupid long guns like the Krag or the Karl Gustav M96.  The Boyd’s rock too, especially if you buy the nicer ones.  Great pistol rug cases too.


I say all that because I came full circle from Kmart Kolpin basic soft cases, to Flambeau, Doscosil plastic hard cases, to Aluminum and Pelican type cases then back to soft cases with ballistic nylon Eagle and heavy canvass Boyt.   I suspect you may end up going full circle too.
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Yeah hard cases end up taking up space for no reason. They're useful in specific circumstances. Out of the CMP cases that have been available I only trust the green pillarlock cases for air travel. I have two Pelicans that are both used for air travel with firearms, other than that I don't use hard cases.
Link Posted: 7/28/2023 6:10:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: fxntime] [#15]
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Originally Posted By vellnueve:


Neither .308 nor 7.62x51mm were developed until the late 40s/early 50s.
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Originally Posted By fxntime:
If we would have had the stocks of 7.62x51 that we had of 30/06, the Garand would have been made with a 7.62x51 [.308] barrel. The Garand caliber was simply because we had so much 30/06 stored from previous engagements and wars.




Neither .308 nor 7.62x51mm were developed until the late 40s/early 50s.


Exactly.........Just saying that if we had used .308 in WW1 and had huge stocks of it, the Garand would have been made in that caliber. 30/06 wasn't Garands first choice of calibers as I [maybe mistakenly] recall, I thought it was .276 cal. [Pederson]
Link Posted: 7/28/2023 8:19:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By fxntime:


Exactly.........Just saying that if we had used .308 in WW1 and had huge stocks of it, the Garand would have been made in that caliber. 30/06 wasn't Garands first choice of calibers as I [maybe mistakenly] recall, I thought it was .276 cal. [Pederson]
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Actually his prototypes started in 30 cal. It was not him that wanted 276 Pederson. The military was considering a smaller cartridge. This forced his first tested rifle to be in .276 Peterson. Ultimately the war department chose to stick to 30 cal and liked Garand’s design.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/gas-trap-garand-the-first-m1-rifle-design/
Link Posted: 7/29/2023 8:32:26 PM EST
[#17]
@Whiskeyballzzz,

Did you have any commercial replacement parts on your Expert Grade?  I've seen reports of new elevation pinions, gas cylinders, and gas plugs showing up on the current M1's.  I was kind of hoping for a CMP gas cylinder on my Rack grades.  I like to add oddball items to the collection.  

While I haven't had a chance to tear down my rifles yet.  I did have a neat op rod cut conversion I haven't see before.  Looks like they took an endmill down the side of the op rod.
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Link Posted: 7/30/2023 5:52:39 AM EST
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Are people really complaining about the case their M1 came in? My first M1 came in a cardboard box with a foam lining. The case or box is to protect the rifle during shipping.  THAT is what matters most.
Link Posted: 7/30/2023 6:40:12 AM EST
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Not seeing greenish park.


Mines is Greenish park.....

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Haven't seen any this bad.
Link Posted: 7/30/2023 6:45:21 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FluffyTheCat:
Thank you.  Here's more pictures
Pretty Beretta M1s
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Sniff.

I am the poors.

You hurt my feels.

Can I has one, pleez?  
Link Posted: 7/30/2023 7:12:26 AM EST
[#21]
No offense, but I think your expectations were off if you were disappointed that you didn't get an H&R just because you included a note.
Link Posted: 7/30/2023 6:08:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: Nick_Adams] [#22]
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Originally Posted By Jozsi:
Not seeing greenish park.
Mines is Greenish park.....
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/313126/20230220_135738_jpg-2902497.JPG
Haven't seen any this bad.
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You need to send that horrid bitch off first thing tomorrow to Tim @ Shuff’s Parkerizing for his “chop job” conversion to 16.1” Mini-G status.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlYJacucucQ

You can thank me later.

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Link Posted: 7/31/2023 7:07:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Francis_Marion:
Are people really complaining about the case their M1 came in? My first M1 came in a cardboard box with a foam lining. The case or box is to protect the rifle during shipping.  THAT is what matters most.
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I’ve actually reused more of those old boxes than any of the cases.
Link Posted: 7/31/2023 6:03:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Francis_Marion:
Are people really complaining about the case their M1 came in? My first M1 came in a cardboard box with a foam lining. The case or box is to protect the rifle during shipping.  THAT is what matters most.
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Yeah, I am. I specifically wanted the form fitted one for the rifle.

As that's now water under the bridge, I'll be getting a BOYT and cutting it like I did for the one I have for my M1a.
Link Posted: 1/30/2024 9:38:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: Finslayer83] [#25]
I woke up and decided I want a Garand.

Notably a .308 as I do not have any .30/06 in the stash and plenty of .308.

CMP is +/- 3 hours from me.

Is the Expert .308 for $1100 the way to go?

Learn me here.

@jafrush wants to know as well.
Link Posted: 1/30/2024 1:11:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
I woke up and decided I want a Garand.

Notably a .308 as I do not have any .30/06 in the stash and plenty of .308.

CMP is +/- 3 hours from me.

Is the Expert .308 for $1100 the way to go?

Learn me here.

@jafrush wants to know as well.
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Expert grade is definitely the way to go.  You know you”ll have a new barrel and everything should gauge within spec.  The only thing you may have to do is a little stock fitting and refinishing.
Link Posted: 1/30/2024 1:21:00 PM EST
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I’ve actually reused more of those old boxes than any of the cases.
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I use my hard CMP case to store extra dirt bike forks.
I have two hard ones that are very different.
Link Posted: 1/30/2024 2:04:35 PM EST
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Expert grade is definitely the way to go.  You know you”ll have a new barrel and everything should gauge within spec.  The only thing you may have to do is a little stock fitting and refinishing.
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Which I love to do.

Have done numerous milsurps over the years.
Link Posted: 1/30/2024 7:07:42 PM EST
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Since bad condition rifles and a Mini-G conversion was brought up, my recent rack grade came like this:


Which was honestly perfect, because I sent it to Jeremy2171 for a rechamber to .308 and a general re-arsenal, and then to Shuff to get cut down and refinished.

Here's my finished product, in .308:


But honestly, it's so much more light and handy with a RDS on it, that I'm in the process of switching optics.  It's a fun rifle, and I didn't "destroy" anything in good condition, I just turned a "disappointment" into something that will now gladly be taken afield.
Link Posted: 1/30/2024 7:09:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: Seven-Shooter] [#30]
And if you "just" want to convert to a .308 and get it re-arsenaled, refinished, and re-stocked, Jeremy2171 is awesome at that as well.  

Here is my full size he updated, which went from this sad old parts gun that rarely got shot:

To this lovely beauty that is a smile making machine, that uses ammo I already stock:

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