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Posted: 10/3/2004 3:23:44 PM EST
Any good? Worth the $1,200?
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 5:32:11 PM EST
Avoid like the plague.

Reports from other users here say that Bobcat is notorious for quality control issues and their customer service is questionable at best,


- BG
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:10:56 PM EST
Aviod/run.


Heard lots of problems and nothing good
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 7:11:45 PM EST
Bobcat, formerly Speciul Wepunz.
Nuff said.
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 5:29:07 PM EST
Come on! Where are all the TOAD B apologists who will tell you that this comapny has nothing to do with the old Toad and how even though there were numerous, almost unamimous complaints about these weapons, that you should only listen to those who owned them.
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 5:30:20 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 5:32:47 PM EST
Who makes a good MP5 clone?
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 5:35:27 PM EST
ohio rapid fire.

Google it.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 7:25:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By Knife_Sniper:
ohio rapid fire.

Google it.



Sorry for more "hear-say" but ORF has an awesome reputation

- BG
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 5:49:41 PM EST
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Link Posted: 10/7/2004 5:19:39 PM EST
The gunsmith at the shop I worked at called them about 2 months ago and asked if they could send some literature because we were consideing picking them up. 2 weeks later, no literature, but a sales rep with a bunch of guns shows up. The smith said they were top shelf and says he's going to pick a few up around the first of the year. I am really anxious to see them.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 6:55:44 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/8/2004 6:29:15 AM EST
More importantly, what is its OAL with a collasping stock? :)
Link Posted: 10/8/2004 1:30:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/8/2004 1:30:45 PM EST by Skammy]

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Are these blowback instead of rollerblock like the Special Weapons were... or I was told they were... I'm not an HK expert by a long-shot.



Nah thats Hesse thats blowback
Link Posted: 10/8/2004 2:27:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By Knife_Sniper:
More importantly, what is its OAL with a collasping stock? :)



The feds measure OAL with the stock open. Some states measure it with the stock closed, I didn't think that Texas was one though.
Link Posted: 10/8/2004 2:32:06 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/8/2004 2:33:32 PM EST
I don't know if the companies are affiliated but...I got this off of www.bobcatweapons.com's FAQ section:

Q: Is Bobcat Weapons Inc. owned by Special Weapons or Tactical Weapons?


A: No. Bobcat Weapons is a separate corporation. Ownership of Special Weapons Inc. or Tactical Weapons Inc. has no ownership in Bobcat Weapons Inc. Bobcat Weapons Inc. is unafillitated with any other manufacturer of similar type firearms.

Link Posted: 10/8/2004 8:24:49 PM EST
Bobcat = SpEsHuL WePpInZ
Link Posted: 10/8/2004 9:21:53 PM EST
Go with either Ohio Rapid Fire for a 9mm, or Vector for a .233 version. Both do excellent work and have great customer service.
Link Posted: 10/9/2004 12:42:38 PM EST
I have to say this, in reference to my earlier post: I did some research on the corporate structure and they appear to have no ties EXCEPT that they are in the same city.
Link Posted: 10/9/2004 12:45:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By SC-Texas:
I have to say this, in reference to my earlier post: I did some research on the corporate structure and they appear to have no ties EXCEPT that they are in the same city.





Right.
Link Posted: 10/9/2004 1:02:41 PM EST
I have a BW5 FS (ser # ABC 0xx)......and couldn't be happier with it. I frankly have seen enough Todd Bailey /SW comparison posts from people who probably don't own either a SW or Bobcat "clone" !!!

The fit and finish are excellent, and the enamel is holding up well to cleaning solvents. All the welds look good, and after almost 1000 rounds, the trunion, locking piece, and rollers show no appreciable wear.

I will admit that I didn't care for the polymer trigger group they put on these guns. The ejector seemed to be a little...errr...."rough", or "sticky", and I'm pretty sure there was a .308 hammer spring in the pack. One of the first things I did was install an A3 stock I won on Gunbroker, and a clipped/pinned ambi burst housing and a custom semi-only pack ( courtesy of SigKev from the HKPro boards).

I've used only real HK curved 30 rd and some of the older straight 30 rounders. TOTAL reliability with the curved mags....the straight 30 rounders with the "SD" markings seem to fail to feed about once every 15 rounds. I put 250 rounds of GECO/ Dynamit Nobel 124gr, 100 rds of Winchester white box 124 gr, 150 rds of Fiocchi 147gr, 100 rds of older Federal 115 gr jhp's, and about 60-70 rounds of Winchester LE 124gr thru this gun and have had (other than with the troublesome mags) exactly 1...yes 1 malfunction. A failure to completely eject.

If you buy Wal Mart ammo, and the cheapest "contract" mags you can find, your gun is certain to give you problems.

Ocala Armory is a stocking dealer, and is excellent to deal with too......I paid retail to get this gun (1599.00 + fla tax)....and don't regret it.

Andy Bonas at Bobcat is a really decent guy to deal with as well.

Thats my 2 cents worth........will try to get some pics up soon

Bob
Tampa,FL
Link Posted: 10/10/2004 8:05:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/10/2004 9:09:38 AM EST by SC-Texas]

Originally Posted By QuietShootr:

Originally Posted By SC-Texas:
I have to say this, in reference to my earlier post: I did some research on the corporate structure and they appear to have no ties EXCEPT that they are in the same city.





Right.



I am not saying that I disagree with what you said, but I got on the Arizona atty General's website and looked up the coporate inromation and that is what it is.

It shows no cros pollination between the corporate officers or the corporations.
Link Posted: 10/10/2004 9:12:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By Villafuego:


If you buy Wal Mart ammo, . . . . . .your gun is certain to give you problems.

Bob
Tampa,FL


I disagree. I put "Wal-Mart" ammo and wolf through my MAC-10 (Powder Springs of course) and it never has a problem.

I would think that if a MAC-10 can feed Wolf and Wal-MArt ammo relialby, a HK shold be able to also!
Link Posted: 10/10/2004 9:38:54 AM EST
I'm certainly not bad-mouthing reasonably priced ammo.........

I did say that the use of inexpensive ammo AND mags of dubious quality=malfunctions.

HK's are a tad more ammo sensitive than open bolt blowback guns. Even some open bolt guns don't care for light-loaded 115 grain 9mm........ever had a Sten run-away on ya?

What does everyone else shoot in their HK/Clones?
Link Posted: 10/10/2004 3:35:17 PM EST
I never have shot a sten. I agree, crap ammo and crap mags would be a bad combination.
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