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Posted: 8/30/2004 12:43:51 PM EST
I'm looking at picking up a new plinking toy. My local shop has these used in perfect shape at a great price.

Which would you choose and why?

cp
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 12:45:18 PM EST
The Beretta is ugly and it's hard to find good mags for the Mini 30.

How about an SAR-1?
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 12:51:02 PM EST
I second the SAR1 if your looking for a 7.62x39 plinker.

If your looking for the PC (which I doubt with the Storm) than a SAIGA with a dremeled mag well but with the full rifle stock would be the way to go.

Cheap russian 7.62x39 is usually alot cheaper than cheap 9mm too.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 12:53:29 PM EST
Never thought of that one. The two mentioned were the only ones I was looking at right now. Things could change...
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 1:20:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Cheap russian 7.62x39 is usually alot cheaper than cheap 9mm too.



+1

The Mini is okay, but aftermarket high-caps are pretty much useless. If the gun will double as a home defense piece, I'd go with the Baretta.

-FMD

PS I can't believe I just advocated a Baretta 9mm over a Ruger.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 1:21:36 PM EST
beretta storm.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 2:19:45 PM EST
Cheap plinker / SHTF=SAR!
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 3:36:03 PM EST
Given the choice between the the Mini 30 and the Beretta Storm I wouldn't pick either one. SAR 1 would be the choice or an SKS. But, that's just my opinon. If your looking for a pistol caliber carbine Ruger PC9, Marlin camp carbine or an AR.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 5:17:09 PM EST
I've had SKs and I'm not to crazy about them...
What's the deal the Minis? Are the good working hicaps difficult to find?
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 5:45:21 PM EST
a buddy had a mini-30 and it was a BITCH! to find mags that worked... He finally ordered one of everything he could find and kept notes.

that was enough to scare me away.

a beretta would be fun... but I'm not a big fan of pistol caliber carbines. (says the man with an SW5)

I'll second the SAR-1 idea. AK for under $350 and wolf ammo for $85/1000 rounds... now that is some plinking.

Link Posted: 8/30/2004 7:40:04 PM EST
You live in Arizona and you don't have an AK?

What's wrong with you?

What's with all the PC guns?
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 7:54:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/30/2004 7:55:39 PM EST by azmotorsports]

Originally Posted By drobs:
You live in Arizona and you don't have an AK?

What's wrong with you?

What's with all the PC guns?



I might be leaning towards an AK now. They're just not as clean and neat looking as like an AR, to me they're a bit clunky but they sound super reliable.

I might be the only one in AZ without one too.

What the heck is a PC gun?
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 8:28:07 PM EST
Please explain the diff between a SAR-1 and the WASR-10 HiCap I've been seeing.

I admit it ! I don't know!
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 9:03:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/30/2004 9:07:40 PM EST by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By azmotorsports:
I'm looking at picking up a new plinking toy. My local shop has these used in perfect shape at a great price.

Which would you choose and why?

cp



Of the two, the Storm...

If you want a cheap 7.62x39 gun, get an AK...

The Ruger isn't going to be any better, and there are NO problems finging working AK mags....

$300 for a WASR or $350-400 for a SAR-1...

The only thing 'clunky' about the AK compared to the Mini is the sights, but a scope will fix that (and AKs come with a built in scope rail)....

Link Posted: 8/30/2004 11:04:58 PM EST
Odd this topic came up, I just debated all three guns (WASR, Storm & Mini) and after much deliberation I bought the Storm.

Reasons? First, the Beretta has great ergos compared to the other three, and making it into a nice "tactical" carbine is easy. Second, mags are readily available for the Beretta (92 mags) and if you buy a storm Beretta will send you 2 hi-caps after Sept. 13. Ruger will NEVER do this, IMHO. Also, the Storm is light and you can bump fire it really easy. I know that's a stupid reason to buy one, but sue me it's fun to dump 20 rounds of 9mm in one pull. The Storm, in my experience, is accurate and fun.

The Mini magazine problem is old and frustrating, and the accuracy isn't very good.

The WASR, while AK-rugged, is rough and crude and the ergos & sights of an AK stink, IMHO.


My .02 anyway.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 11:06:59 PM EST
Id go with an AK first.

From you 2 choices Id get the Storm.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 2:25:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

The only thing 'clunky' about the AK compared to the Mini is the sights, but a scope will fix that (and AKs come with a built in scope rail)....




Ever seen the sights on a Mini? Yuck. I'd still go with the AK.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 4:36:15 AM EST
On top is my Bulgarian milled SAM-7s with a Kobra
$620 for the rifle
$130 for the Kobra
Bulgarian waffle mags are $11 each

On the bottom is my Romanian stamped SAR-1
Used SAR-1 with six mags and 1200 rounds of ammo $325
Can of Brownells Baking Lacquer $10
K-Var Bulgarian plum stockset $65
Slant brake and pin $14


Link Posted: 8/31/2004 4:47:48 AM EST
Go with the MP-5. Use your FED powers to get it!
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 4:49:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By DarkKnight:
Please explain the diff between a SAR-1 and the WASR-10 HiCap I've been seeing.

I admit it ! I don't know!



I would skip the WASR.

The WASRs are converted receivers that were designed to take a single stack 10 round mag. You will notice that they don't have dimples in the receiver that properly align the 30 round mag. To overcome this Century welded up the inside of the receiver. This makes getting the shepherd's hook in and out very difficult and just looks like crap. The WASRs I've seen also have a nut welded over the barrel and the barrel is turned down underneeth. This won't allow you to thread it on 9/14.

I threaded the barrel on my SAR-1 then tack welded the slant brake on. Come 9/14 I will break the tack weld.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 6:00:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By markm:
Go with the MP-5. Use your FED powers to get it!


Too funny.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 8:04:19 AM EST
remember some Mini-30s have .308 barrels and most 7.62x39 is .311 or .312. this creates high pressure problems and will blow you trigger assy out the bottom after a few rounds. I had a Mini-30 ranch SS which I polished to look nickel plated and traded for a MAK90
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 8:52:46 AM EST
I brought my wife and her STORM to the FORT DIX shoot this past Saturday. Everyone who shot it loved it and the other WOMEN gravitated to it big time. They also like shooting the Barrett .50 so all of this maybe inconclusive.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 1:13:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By DarkKnight:
Please explain the diff between a SAR-1 and the WASR-10 HiCap I've been seeing.

I admit it ! I don't know!



Check out www.gunsnet.net/Linx310/links.htm

Gotta love the simplicity of the AK. When I 1st got my Sar 1 home I was shocked by how big the diameter of that gas tube was. You could put 30 AR gas tubes in there!

Here's a couple pics of my SAR1:



Link Posted: 8/31/2004 2:31:01 PM EST
So are you stating that a major US firearms company routinely sells rifles which blow up?

Dennis Jenkins


Originally Posted By DeadSled:
remember some Mini-30s have .308 barrels and most 7.62x39 is .311 or .312. this creates high pressure problems and will blow you trigger assy out the bottom after a few rounds. I had a Mini-30 ranch SS which I polished to look nickel plated and traded for a MAK90

Link Posted: 8/31/2004 5:28:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By djenkins:
So are you stating that a major US firearms company routinely sells sold rifles which blow up?

Dennis Jenkins


Originally Posted By DeadSled:
remember some Mini-30s have .308 barrels and most 7.62x39 is .311 or .312. this creates high pressure problems and will blow you trigger assy out the bottom after a few rounds. I had a Mini-30 ranch SS which I polished to look nickel plated and traded for a MAK90




no it was just older rifles that have the 308 barrels Ruger has since changed to accept "surplus" bullets. Origional mini-30s were designed for american ammo. look in a reloading manual and note theres many 30 cal bullets, IE american is .308 and russian is .311. and they "didn't blow up" per se, the trigger assy would fall out after a few shots you shoot a few put it back together, shoot a few put it back together.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 6:19:50 PM EST
Save yourself the trouble and buy a good sks.More reliable and will out do either the Beretta or the ruger any day of the week.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 6:25:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By azmotorsports:
I'm looking at picking up a new plinking toy. My local shop has these used in perfect shape at a great price.

Which would you choose and why?

cp




are you mad?! the beretta storm all the way! Ruger can shove it.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 6:46:08 PM EST
Beretta Storm,

Buy mine on the EE, only $450 with a preban Beretta 15 rounder, still in the box with all of the original stuff.


Link Posted: 8/31/2004 7:31:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By EladEflow:
Beretta Storm,

Buy mine on the EE, only $450 with a preban Beretta 15 rounder, still in the box with all of the original stuff.





$450!!!

That's a deal!

Link Posted: 8/31/2004 8:33:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By drobs:

Originally Posted By EladEflow:
Beretta Storm,

Buy mine on the EE, only $450 with a preban Beretta 15 rounder, still in the box with all of the original stuff.





$450!!!

That's a deal!




Tell guys on the EE that, drop me an email if interested,

Sorry for the pseudo hijacking, the Beretta is a superior firearm, I just need to get some car work done.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 6:00:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By wulf004:
Save yourself the trouble and buy a good sks.More reliable and will out do either the Beretta or the ruger any day of the week.



100% agreed. As an owner of a mini-14 and mini-30 I will have to say that the inexpensive Yugo SKS on the market right now pretty much kill the Ruger mini clan. For $150 (for a really nice Yugo SKS) or less you can get yourself a rifle that is more accurate than the mini and probably more reliable. Only negative some may see is that it is only 10 rounds and has to be loaded by stripper clips.

My mini-30 hated Wolf ammo and I had a lot of issues with other steel cased ammo. After market mini-30 mags are damn near impossible to get and if you find one it will cost you big $$$ and may not work.

I don't know much about the Beretta Storm other than its a 9mm carbine. If you want cheap plinking get the 9mm as it will be the least expensive ammo. If you want reliable fun with decent accuracy get a SKS.
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