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Link Posted: 11/4/2020 7:00:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By hanker71:

could you please give a link to the clear amber filter?
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I'll IM you the info.
Link Posted: 11/4/2020 10:31:31 PM EST
https://www.koshersurplus.com/product/knights-armament-company-kvc-m-clip-shoe-set-111791-rqe/

can anybody verify if this is the kclip required?it has the same part number as the kclip on the knights site,however it says it is a kvc m clip?

https://www.knightarmco.com/16548/shop/knight-vision/kv-weapon-mounted-multi-purpose-monoculars/accessories-kv/k-clip-shoe-set
Link Posted: 11/5/2020 12:06:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By hanker71:
https://www.koshersurplus.com/product/knights-armament-company-kvc-m-clip-shoe-set-111791-rqe/

can anybody verify if this is the kclip required?it has the same part number as the kclip on the knights site,however it says it is a kvc m clip?

https://www.knightarmco.com/16548/shop/knight-vision/kv-weapon-mounted-multi-purpose-monoculars/accessories-kv/k-clip-shoe-set
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I'm pretty new to the KVC bridge & accessories so no KVC expert. The P/N & pics are the same and Kosher's pics are identical to the K clips I have that work with my Breach so I think you're good.
Link Posted: 11/7/2020 11:16:00 AM EST
anybody have a line on the RQE OSS Shoe set?

that is the gate for me to complete...
Link Posted: 11/7/2020 2:32:35 PM EST
You are basically doing what I would like to do OP.

I just received back in September my first PVS14.  I am running a MOD Armory D-14 Dual PVS Mounting System, which is cool for running one PVS14.

I have no experience yet though with the D-14 running both FLIR and PVS14.  If you get the D-14 please let us know what you think of your set-up.  Thanks.
Link Posted: 11/7/2020 5:13:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By dzhitshard:




It's surprisingly easy to move around in the bridged combo imo. squint technique or overlay. I have walked a lot of miles under a helmet mounted thermal monocular in the past. It's totally doable but it isn't the easiest, and it's tiring.
I'm lucky enough that I actually get an overlaid image with my bridged 14/mh25 setup though a lot of the internet posts say you can't.
Even when I knocked my bridge out of alignment while trying to eliminate some adjustment slop the squint technique was considerably easier than patrolling with a mounted thermal monocular.

For spotting game or threats in the dark there isn't a civilian available equal to the bridged thermal/14.

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I got mine to overlay as well. I swapped the 14 from my right eye (dominant) to my left eye. I also have to move the magnification from 1x to 1.2-1.3x on the mh25 for it to be perfect....or close enough that I can’t tell. It really is a game changer. Our night hunting season starts next week. Cant wait to get after some coyotes with this set up.
Link Posted: 11/7/2020 5:14:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident:
You are basically doing what I would like to do OP.

I just received back in September my first PVS14.  I am running a MOD Armory D-14 Dual PVS Mounting System, which is cool for running one PVS14.

I have no experience yet though with the D-14 running both FLIR and PVS14.  If you get the D-14 please let us know what you think of your set-up.  Thanks.
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He said he got the KAC bridge in a post back on page 1.
Link Posted: 11/7/2020 5:17:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Ildeerhunter23:




I got mine to overlay as well. I swapped the 14 from my right eye (dominant) to my left eye. I also have to move the magnification from 1x to 1.2-1.3x on the mh25 for it to be perfect....or close enough that I can’t tell. It really is a game changer. Our night hunting season starts next week. Cant wait to get after some coyotes with this set up.
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Originally Posted By Ildeerhunter23:
Originally Posted By dzhitshard:




It's surprisingly easy to move around in the bridged combo imo. squint technique or overlay. I have walked a lot of miles under a helmet mounted thermal monocular in the past. It's totally doable but it isn't the easiest, and it's tiring.
I'm lucky enough that I actually get an overlaid image with my bridged 14/mh25 setup though a lot of the internet posts say you can't.
Even when I knocked my bridge out of alignment while trying to eliminate some adjustment slop the squint technique was considerably easier than patrolling with a mounted thermal monocular.

For spotting game or threats in the dark there isn't a civilian available equal to the bridged thermal/14.





I got mine to overlay as well. I swapped the 14 from my right eye (dominant) to my left eye. I also have to move the magnification from 1x to 1.2-1.3x on the mh25 for it to be perfect....or close enough that I can’t tell. It really is a game changer. Our night hunting season starts next week. Cant wait to get after some coyotes with this set up.


NICE. Give em hell. I finally locked all my tiny set screws in place on that bridge so the adjustment can't be moved. It doesn't need to be now that it's dialed in perfect for the guy who paid for it. Anyone who test drives mine from here on out can suck it and just take our word that it works
Link Posted: 11/8/2020 1:23:30 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/8/2020 1:47:19 AM EST by will-1]
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident:
You are basically doing what I would like to do OP.

I just received back in September my first PVS14.  I am running a MOD Armory D-14 Dual PVS Mounting System, which is cool for running one PVS14.

I have no experience yet though with the D-14 running both FLIR and PVS14.  If you get the D-14 please let us know what you think of your set-up.  Thanks.
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I mentioned it a little on page 1. I'm running a Breach & -14 and have both the KVC and D-14 (QD version gen 2).

With the D-14 I'm using the Breach dovetail adapter which is very similar to the KVC K clip except it's reversible so you only need one whereas with KVC you buy a pair (for left & right). It doesn't work very good or at least for me it doesn't. I can't get the Breach & -14 lined up on each eye together. I have to pick which one I want lined up with my eye(s) and mess with my helmet in addition to the bridge/arms.

With the KVC because it has IPD adjustment I can get both devices lined up like they should be. The Mod Armory/IC dedicated Breach arm might be better. I was going to get it to try it out but I decided to pass because I want QD to quickly go back & forth between dual -14's and -14/Breach. I'd start with the dedicated arm vs the dovetail adapter.

ETA: I should add some clarification as to why IPD adjustment is so important with this setup and it's something that can be important with NV goggles depending on the person (face & eye spacing and personal pet peeves).

With the D-14 bridge you can only bring the arms so far in before the dovetail interfaces or devices touch. If the Breach's screen is not lined up to your eye you can try one of the other rail sections on the Breach and/or reverse the dovetail but ultimately you're working with fixed measurements. If your eye(s) fall within range then sweet. If they don't, which mine do not, well then it's suboptimal.

The KVC was IPD adjustment (not IPD stops/locks - that's something entirely different) that is similar to fixed bridge goggles. When the devices/monoculars are lowered into the deployed position they are on the same plane and you can rotate the knobs to move each side left/right. So, no matter your face shape / eye spacing you can get the devices lined up with your eyes, and the Breach's screen will be level in landscape/portrait whichever way you decide to mount it.
Link Posted: 11/8/2020 7:58:21 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/8/2020 7:59:47 AM EST by SnazSleepWalker]
Over on snipershide some of the bigwigs were strongly recommending the D-14 to parallel a pvs14 and an IR patrol.  I am hoping to go this route, partly because the mount is notably less expensive.  Now that you mentioned it,  I am worried about the limited adjustment. I wish it was easier to try everything before you buy.
Link Posted: 11/8/2020 3:00:30 PM EST
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Originally Posted By will-1:


I'm pretty new to the KVC bridge & accessories so no KVC expert. The P/N & pics are the same and Kosher's pics are identical to the K clips I have that work with my Breach so I think you're good.
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Originally Posted By will-1:
Originally Posted By hanker71:
https://www.koshersurplus.com/product/knights-armament-company-kvc-m-clip-shoe-set-111791-rqe/

can anybody verify if this is the kclip required?it has the same part number as the kclip on the knights site,however it says it is a kvc m clip?

https://www.knightarmco.com/16548/shop/knight-vision/kv-weapon-mounted-multi-purpose-monoculars/accessories-kv/k-clip-shoe-set


I'm pretty new to the KVC bridge & accessories so no KVC expert. The P/N & pics are the same and Kosher's pics are identical to the K clips I have that work with my Breach so I think you're good.

anybody else perhaps that is familiar the knights parts?
Link Posted: 11/8/2020 3:01:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SnazSleepWalker:
Over on snipershide some of the bigwigs were strongly recommending the D-14 to parallel a pvs14 and an IR patrol.  I am hoping to go this route, partly because the mount is notably less expensive.  Now that you mentioned it,  I am worried about the limited adjustment. I wish it was easier to try everything before you buy.
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The KVC is the safer but more expensive bet because it offers more adjustability. The D-14 could or could not work for you and unfortunately there’s only one way to find out.
Link Posted: 11/8/2020 3:14:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/8/2020 3:17:52 PM EST by Pita_146]
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Originally Posted By hanker71:

anybody else perhaps that is familiar the knights parts?
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Originally Posted By hanker71:
Originally Posted By will-1:
Originally Posted By hanker71:
https://www.koshersurplus.com/product/knights-armament-company-kvc-m-clip-shoe-set-111791-rqe/

can anybody verify if this is the kclip required?it has the same part number as the kclip on the knights site,however it says it is a kvc m clip?

https://www.knightarmco.com/16548/shop/knight-vision/kv-weapon-mounted-multi-purpose-monoculars/accessories-kv/k-clip-shoe-set


I'm pretty new to the KVC bridge & accessories so no KVC expert. The P/N & pics are the same and Kosher's pics are identical to the K clips I have that work with my Breach so I think you're good.

anybody else perhaps that is familiar the knights parts?
The M Clip was the version before the K Clip.  It will still work.  Apparently the K clip is supposed to work a little better on the breach.  I ordered something I was told were K Clips but I got M Clips.  I didn't feel like fucking around/paying more so I just used the M's and it seems to work fine with my breach.

ETA: That is the higher price for the K Clips.  The M Clips were $159 I think.
Link Posted: 11/8/2020 6:16:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/8/2020 6:16:50 PM EST by KaerMorhenResident]
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Originally Posted By will-1:


I mentioned it a little on page 1. I'm running a Breach & -14 and have both the KVC and D-14 (QD version gen 2).

With the D-14 I'm using the Breach dovetail adapter which is very similar to the KVC K clip except it's reversible so you only need one whereas with KVC you buy a pair (for left & right). It doesn't work very good or at least for me it doesn't. I can't get the Breach & -14 lined up on each eye together. I have to pick which one I want lined up with my eye(s) and mess with my helmet in addition to the bridge/arms.

With the KVC because it has IPD adjustment I can get both devices lined up like they should be. The Mod Armory/IC dedicated Breach arm might be better. I was going to get it to try it out but I decided to pass because I want QD to quickly go back & forth between dual -14's and -14/Breach. I'd start with the dedicated arm vs the dovetail adapter.

ETA: I should add some clarification as to why IPD adjustment is so important with this setup and it's something that can be important with NV goggles depending on the person (face & eye spacing and personal pet peeves).

With the D-14 bridge you can only bring the arms so far in before the dovetail interfaces or devices touch. If the Breach's screen is not lined up to your eye you can try one of the other rail sections on the Breach and/or reverse the dovetail but ultimately you're working with fixed measurements. If your eye(s) fall within range then sweet. If they don't, which mine do not, well then it's suboptimal.

The KVC was IPD adjustment (not IPD stops/locks - that's something entirely different) that is similar to fixed bridge goggles. When the devices/monoculars are lowered into the deployed position they are on the same plane and you can rotate the knobs to move each side left/right. So, no matter your face shape / eye spacing you can get the devices lined up with your eyes, and the Breach's screen will be level in landscape/portrait whichever way you decide to mount it.
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Well, that's not good news. I hope I haven't wasted money on the Mod Armory D-14, it wasn't cheap and I purchased it to run duals or a Breach & PVS14 combo.  

Link Posted: 11/8/2020 7:02:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By KaerMorhenResident:


Well, that's not good news. I hope I haven't wasted money on the Mod Armory D-14, it wasn't cheap and I purchased it to run duals or a Breach & PVS14 combo.  

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The Mod Armory dedicated Breach arm has more adjustment. It's not too expensive at $150 to give it a try. Most of the guys running the D-14 w/ Breach are using it. My experience was with the dovetail adapter.
Link Posted: 11/8/2020 9:54:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/8/2020 9:55:11 PM EST by BBTC_MH]
Ok, got K-clips and OSS mount.  Waiting for them to come in stock and  ship.


Also, as soon as I get the 136 in hand I’ll order the battery extension (don’t know if it’s course or fine thread).

Robert, is JRH selling the breach with fine or course threads?



@lowdown3
Link Posted: 11/11/2020 11:35:47 AM EST
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Originally Posted By BBTC_MH:
Ok, got K-clips and OSS mount.  Waiting for them to come in stock and  ship.


Also, as soon as I get the 136 in hand I’ll order the battery extension (don’t know if it’s course or fine thread).

Robert, is JRH selling the breach with fine or course threads?



@lowdown3
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Bump, curious...want to get a jump on ordering the battery extension

@lowdown3
Link Posted: 11/11/2020 2:45:01 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/12/2020 8:11:07 AM EST
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Originally Posted By heron163:
anybody have a line on the RQE OSS Shoe set?

that is the gate for me to complete...
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me to!..need this part!
Link Posted: 11/17/2020 2:28:27 PM EST
I'm dieing to get this oss part to complete the bridge!..anybody happen to have 1 they would part with?
Link Posted: 11/21/2020 8:30:30 PM EST
Please educate a newbie to this.  Do you guys that are running these dual setups use both at the same time, or just use one at a time?
Link Posted: 11/21/2020 8:53:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By optoisolator:
Please educate a newbie to this.  Do you guys that are running these dual setups use both at the same time, or just use one at a time?
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One at a time, close one eye or the other

Some guys have fiddled with the amber PVS14 filter and then changed the Breach to the Sepia color scheme, which kind of gives a fusion look
Link Posted: 11/22/2020 10:52:57 AM EST
I use both eyes open.  I do have the Wilcox amber filter on my PVS14.  If you go with the rqe mount, you can always flip one up, but I’ve never had to do that.
Link Posted: 11/22/2020 11:29:04 AM EST
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Originally Posted By optoisolator:
Please educate a newbie to this.  Do you guys that are running these dual setups use both at the same time, or just use one at a time?
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It depends on the person and the thermal being used. I’m using a Breach & -14. Using them together I see the thermal overlaid on the NV image but they are not fused.

I see double vision and it gives me a headache sometimes. It still works but I don’t have a good image of either device and the thermal interferes with my NV eye when I’m moving/navigating. So I mainly use them independently. I’m fairly new to the setup however.

Some guys can achieve a fused image but I haven’t heard of many doing so with the Breach. It seems guys using 640 thermals have better results. It’s been said that a thermal with a PVS-14 eyepiece can be “collimated” for better results.
Link Posted: 11/22/2020 7:26:39 PM EST
Anyone running a green pvs14 with their thermal on a bridge? Or is everyone running WP pvs14?
I’m hoping green with a thermal still looks good and is effective
Link Posted: 11/22/2020 7:54:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By snackgunner:
Anyone running a green pvs14 with their thermal on a bridge? Or is everyone running WP pvs14?
I’m hoping green with a thermal still looks good and is effective
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Me.  And yes it is effective.  I do have the amber Wilcox on my PVS14.
Link Posted: 11/22/2020 7:56:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TDunn:



Me.  And yes it is effective.  I do have the amber Wilcox on my PVS14.
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What benefits does the amber have?
Link Posted: 11/22/2020 7:59:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By snackgunner:
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Been done both ways, I don't think the color matters.

The Breach is very hard to line up with a 14. You'll get a double image.

Some folks like the fusion. I've found it's hard to make it work and just isn't useful even when it does work. If possible try before buy or at least don't get your hopes up over fusion.
Link Posted: 11/22/2020 8:09:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BlackPeterbilt:


Been done both ways, I don't think the color matters.

The Breach is very hard to line up with a 14. You'll get a double image.

Some folks like the fusion. I've found it's hard to make it work and just isn't useful even when it does work. If possible try before buy or at least don't get your hopes up over fusion.
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What about the mh25 iray?
Link Posted: 11/22/2020 8:24:40 PM EST
Don't know, rumor is that it fuses better than the Breach.
Link Posted: 11/22/2020 9:02:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BlackPeterbilt:
Don't know, rumor is that it fuses better than the Breach.
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How do you get the two to actually “fuse”?
Link Posted: 11/22/2020 10:16:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By snackgunner:

How do you get the two to actually “fuse”?
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The PVS-14 eyepiece like I mentioned above is supposed to help. I never used an MH25 so can’t say if the OE eyepiece results in the same results as the Breach.

@westernhaikus1 has said the -14 eyepiece makes a big difference because you can collimate.
Link Posted: 11/22/2020 10:28:30 PM EST
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Originally Posted By snackgunner:

How do you get the two to actually “fuse”?
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I think 'fusing' isn't really the right terminology but it gets used because it is familiar (and I'm guilty of using it too because its an easy word to understand).

The correct way to think of fusing an image with both your eyes is that the eyes gather data from two sources and fuse it into a single source that your brain 'accesses' as one image (I'm sure this is not a scientifically kosher description)

How hybrid setups work is that your eyes gather data from two sources of information and then you queue your brain to access each set of different information separately but with the ability to instantaneously switch back and forth. I don't think they ever really fuse together in the same way dual NV does - you're adjusting the gain and brightness, collimation of the two devices, color palettes, etc, so that you can have the two images sitting in front of your eyeballs without driving you crazy or causing serious vision issues.

This is how I have experienced it and have gotten relatively proficient using it even for stuff like moving and shooting drills on the range.


Link Posted: Yesterday 12:37:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: Yesterday 2:31:51 PM EST by will-1]
I was able to finally get the Breach and -14 to work together pretty well. I used them for several hours last night with breaks in between to see if it was repeatable and it was. At least for me, both devices need to be as close to center as possible.  

KVC bridge with OSS set and both K clips.
PVS-14 on dominant eye. Thin filmed GP with no amber filter.
Right eye K-clip (offset the device inward) on the rail that puts the buttons facing inward towards the -14 with screen in portrait layout. IPD was maxed out inwards.
Right eye OSS shoe because the -14 is on my right eye. IPD maxed out inwards.
Devices were very close to my eyes.
Outdoor alert or black hot. Surprisingly, sepia didn't work as well, even with an amber filter.  
Breach brightness on lowest setting.

I still had some double vision but it was minor and nowhere as bad as before. I was able to get the best overlay I've had yet at infinity focus distances. It worked awesome!

Here's what it looks like
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