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Posted: 10/14/2013 5:33:07 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 5:35:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/14/2013 5:37:46 PM EST by 98_1LE]
Silencerco Sparrow SS and SWR Spectre II (or Warlock II in aluminum) are the top .22 cans right now, mainly because of how easy they are to clean.

Since I believe the features making them so much easier are patented, other than mo bettah quieter I don't see much in the way of improvements.

EDIT: I took this for another forum yesterday, but it shows the difference between a Sparrow SS, Liberty Kodiak TL and Liberty Mystic.


Those clamshells are amazing. Zero tools needed to take apart. A stiff wire brush, Hoppes #9 and a quarter in vice grips is all I use to clean them. The core gets hit with a 30 caliber bore brush to knock off the crud but I don't keep it like new.
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 5:47:24 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 5:57:49 PM EST
Any of the Liberty cans, the SS Sparrow are all GOOD Suppressors. The Liberty offerings have great tone, very little FRP and are pretty good on the blowback. The Sparrow is SUPER easy to take apart and clean and has a pretty noticeable FRP.
Link Posted: 10/14/2013 6:00:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/14/2013 6:34:14 PM EST by ShadowAngel]
SS Sparrow and SWR Spectre II are pretty much the best goto .22 cans around here.
Link Posted: 10/15/2013 10:09:28 AM EST
No love for the AAC Element II? I have one sitting in ATF purgatory.
Link Posted: 10/15/2013 10:22:25 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Hyperformer:
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Don't worry, you'll be happy with it's performance, just don't expect to clean it as easy as a SS Sparrow or SWR Spectre II.
Link Posted: 10/15/2013 10:49:45 AM EST
Yeah...what performance gains can really be made at this point? As said above, the SWR, Liberty, and Silencerco offerings are all quite good and interchangeable. I have the SS Sparrow myself, and I can't see ever needing another .22 suppressor. It's already dead quiet for the most part.
Link Posted: 10/15/2013 10:57:04 AM EST
The YHM Stinger just came out and looks to be very similar in principle to the CTA design in the Spectre/Warlock. I imagine it should perform very well.
Link Posted: 10/15/2013 12:49:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By slipjett:


Don't worry, you'll be happy with it's performance, just don't expect to clean it as easy as a SS Sparrow or SWR Spectre II.
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Originally Posted By slipjett:
Originally Posted By Hyperformer:
No love for the AAC Element II? I have one sitting in ATF purgatory.


Don't worry, you'll be happy with it's performance, just don't expect to clean it as easy as a SS Sparrow or SWR Spectre II.



Just hit it with the dip.
Link Posted: 10/15/2013 12:57:48 PM EST
I hear the Ryder is coming out soon.....
Link Posted: 10/15/2013 4:40:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By vellnueve:
The YHM Stinger just came out and looks to be very similar in principle to the CTA design in the Spectre/Warlock. I imagine it should perform very well.
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I saw that too. It is very close in length, weight, and cost to the Spectre II, but lacks the versatility in calibers found with the Spectre. I'm sure it will do well, but I would go Spectre II again if given the option.
Link Posted: 10/15/2013 4:44:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ikickhippies:
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Hey, that shit ain't funny, I gave a well known dealer(at the time) my cash and let him hold it hostage for two years until nothing was said about it this year at Shot Show, then the dealer was kind enough to let me apply that money to a suppressor that was actually manufactured and on the shelf. Lesson learned, albeit a hard lesson.
Link Posted: 10/15/2013 4:58:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By slipjett:


Hey, that shit ain't funny, I gave a well known dealer(at the time) my cash and let him hold it hostage for two years until nothing was said about it this year at Shot Show, then the dealer was kind enough to let me apply that money to a suppressor that was actually manufactured and on the shelf. Lesson learned, albeit a hard lesson.
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Originally Posted By slipjett:
Originally Posted By ikickhippies:
I hear the Ryder is coming out soon.....


Hey, that shit ain't funny, I gave a well known dealer(at the time) my cash and let him hold it hostage for two years until nothing was said about it this year at Shot Show, then the dealer was kind enough to let me apply that money to a suppressor that was actually manufactured and on the shelf. Lesson learned, albeit a hard lesson.

Probably took that long to learn how to disassemble and reassemble it
Link Posted: 10/16/2013 5:10:16 PM EST
I have the Warlock II and enjoy it. Very quiet and easy to clean.
Link Posted: 10/16/2013 5:20:03 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/16/2013 5:53:06 PM EST
I have a Prodigy with the Gen 3 upgraded core. I have it mounted to a CZ Kadet. Combo work perfectly. If buying a Prodigy, The disassembly tool is a MUST. Can is very lite and functions great. Wanted a SS sparrow and it wasn't in stock at the time. Dealer had the Prodigy in stock.
Link Posted: 10/16/2013 5:58:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By LVDesertSOCOM:
I have a Prodigy with the Gen 3 upgraded core. I have it mounted to a CZ Kadet. Combo work perfectly. If buying a Prodigy, The disassembly tool is a MUST. Can is very lite and functions great. Wanted a SS sparrow and it wasn't in stock at the time. Dealer had the Prodigy in stock.
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Love my Prodigy but if you don't have the tool I would hate it. AAC should include the dis assembly tool with the can. They do with the Element 2 IIRC.
Link Posted: 10/16/2013 6:36:23 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/17/2013 5:04:55 AM EST
I have a SS sparrow and love it. I want a seconded rim fire can so going to buy a warlock II next.
Link Posted: 10/17/2013 5:41:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/17/2013 5:53:23 AM EST by hatexoc]
Why go with something new and unproven? The warlock, specter and sparrow are all awesome and with the warlock starting at like >$250 I don't see why anyone would want anything else.
Link Posted: 10/17/2013 5:57:42 AM EST
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Originally Posted By hatexoc:
Why go with something new and unproven? The warlock, specter and sparrow are all awesome and with the warlock starting at like >$250 I don't see why anyone would want anything else.
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I think it's always a good idea to keep an open mind. Healthy competition drives innovation and the more manufacturers that support the business, the better. The new YHM Stinger looks like a great can and is priced between the Spectre and Sparrow, thinking seriously about picking one up and I already have a Sparrow and two Spectre II's.....
Link Posted: 10/17/2013 6:03:07 AM EST
Sure - find a nice brand new can on the market and in 12 months when your stamp comes back it will no longer be new!
Link Posted: 10/17/2013 6:19:55 AM EST
Can't wait till my SS Sparrow gets out of jail!
Link Posted: 10/17/2013 7:15:45 AM EST
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Originally Posted By hatexoc:
Why go with something new and unproven? The warlock, specter and sparrow are all awesome and with the warlock starting at like >$250 I don't see why anyone would want anything else.
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This. OP is asking about new, then going back to old & busted.
Link Posted: 10/17/2013 2:16:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Hyperformer:
No love for the AAC Element II? I have one sitting in ATF purgatory.
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I have one in jail also.
Link Posted: 10/17/2013 4:52:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By cormorantslayer:


I have one in jail also.
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Originally Posted By cormorantslayer:
Originally Posted By Hyperformer:
No love for the AAC Element II? I have one sitting in ATF purgatory.


I have one in jail also.


Me too.

For 10 months now.
Link Posted: 10/17/2013 4:58:35 PM EST
Sparrow ss shooter here, love it
Link Posted: 10/17/2013 5:49:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/17/2013 5:50:56 PM EST by Hyperformer]
Whatever happened to that talk of the Surefire .22 suppressor?

Link Posted: 10/17/2013 6:00:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Miller2:

I saw that too. It is very close in length, weight, and cost to the Spectre II, but lacks the versatility in calibers found with the Spectre. I'm sure it will do well, but I would go Spectre II again if given the option.
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Originally Posted By Miller2:
Originally Posted By vellnueve:
The YHM Stinger just came out and looks to be very similar in principle to the CTA design in the Spectre/Warlock. I imagine it should perform very well.

I saw that too. It is very close in length, weight, and cost to the Spectre II, but lacks the versatility in calibers found with the Spectre. I'm sure it will do well, but I would go Spectre II again if given the option.


I've shot neither and tend to agree that the Spectre is the better buy... but it's close enough that I'd buy the YHM first if it was in stock.
Link Posted: 10/17/2013 6:32:30 PM EST
Any word on the TS Axiom?? A co-worker has one pending.

Axiom
Link Posted: 10/17/2013 8:08:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gr8Santini:
Any word on the TS Axiom?? A co-worker has one pending.

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How can they possibly claim "patent pending split tube technology" when I'm 99.9% sure thats a patented silencerco feature?
Link Posted: 10/17/2013 9:49:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By vilya:
How can they possibly claim "patent pending split tube technology" when I'm 99.9% sure thats a patented silencerco feature?
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Originally Posted By vilya:
Originally Posted By Gr8Santini:
Any word on the TS Axiom?? A co-worker has one pending.

Axiom
How can they possibly claim "patent pending split tube technology" when I'm 99.9% sure thats a patented silencerco feature?



Looks to be a split tube, not two halves.
Link Posted: 10/18/2013 1:54:38 AM EST
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Looks to be a split tube, not two halves.
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Originally Posted By cormorantslayer:
Originally Posted By vilya:
Originally Posted By Gr8Santini:
Any word on the TS Axiom?? A co-worker has one pending.

Axiom
How can they possibly claim "patent pending split tube technology" when I'm 99.9% sure thats a patented silencerco feature?



Looks to be a split tube, not two halves.

Seems like it would be pretty difficult to remove the "split tube" from the outer tube once dirty... there appears to be no lip or overlap where the two halves come together.
Link Posted: 10/18/2013 2:40:05 AM EST
Next up, spiral cut. Maybe baffles in a slinky in a tube,
Link Posted: 10/18/2013 4:32:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Hyperformer:
Whatever happened to that talk of the Surefire .22 suppressor?

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee382/Kudu22/P22_insides_3.jpg
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Just posted on their Facebook tonight, says they're in production as we speak.


Link Posted: 10/18/2013 4:54:30 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/18/2013 6:25:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By hobbydad:


Just posted on their Facebook tonight, says they're in production as we speak.

http://imageshack.us/a/img818/607/7yhr.jpg
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Originally Posted By hobbydad:
Originally Posted By Hyperformer:
Whatever happened to that talk of the Surefire .22 suppressor?

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee382/Kudu22/P22_insides_3.jpg


Just posted on their Facebook tonight, says they're in production as we speak.

http://imageshack.us/a/img818/607/7yhr.jpg



Wow, I remember shooting this way back in 2011 at Shot. I'll believe it when I see it....just like every other Surefire flashlight. Maybe 2016.
Link Posted: 10/18/2013 6:30:27 PM EST
They said this was the 22-A pictured, I would guess it's an all aluminum version. The picture posted earlier in the thread was the 22-S, looks like it's all stainless. I haven't seen any advertised sound testing. My Google-Fu might not be as strong as others.
Link Posted: 10/18/2013 7:49:31 PM EST
Give Liberty a call and talk to them and ask if they have something new in .22LR in the works?
Link Posted: 10/18/2013 8:10:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By vellnueve:


I've shot neither and tend to agree that the Spectre is the better buy... but it's close enough that I'd buy the YHM first if it was in stock.
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Originally Posted By vellnueve:
Originally Posted By Miller2:
Originally Posted By vellnueve:
The YHM Stinger just came out and looks to be very similar in principle to the CTA design in the Spectre/Warlock. I imagine it should perform very well.

I saw that too. It is very close in length, weight, and cost to the Spectre II, but lacks the versatility in calibers found with the Spectre. I'm sure it will do well, but I would go Spectre II again if given the option.


I've shot neither and tend to agree that the Spectre is the better buy... but it's close enough that I'd buy the YHM first if it was in stock.

I dunno - to me the baffles look more like the caged-K design of the Gem-tech Alpine:


where the skirt slides into the extension of the plate on the next baffle.

IMHO, as an Alpine owner, the design isn't quite as good as the Spectre II. Although the stack comes out of the tube easily enough, debris still goes through the port and ends up on the underside of the skirt where it builds up and wedges against the skirt; this makes pulling the baffles apart difficult if you don't clean it on a frequent basis.

Link Posted: 10/18/2013 8:14:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By vellnueve:


I've shot neither and tend to agree that the Spectre is the better buy... but it's close enough that I'd buy the YHM first if it was in stock.
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Originally Posted By vellnueve:
Originally Posted By Miller2:
Originally Posted By vellnueve:
The YHM Stinger just came out and looks to be very similar in principle to the CTA design in the Spectre/Warlock. I imagine it should perform very well.

I saw that too. It is very close in length, weight, and cost to the Spectre II, but lacks the versatility in calibers found with the Spectre. I'm sure it will do well, but I would go Spectre II again if given the option.


I've shot neither and tend to agree that the Spectre is the better buy... but it's close enough that I'd buy the YHM first if it was in stock.

Looks like YHM just licensed the baffle design from Silencerco.
Wonder what it sounds like.

Either way, I still think the Spectre II is the best looking .22 out there.

JMHO
Link Posted: 10/18/2013 9:24:37 PM EST
dont know about anything new coming out, but you cant go wrong w/ either:
Silencerco Sparrow SS
SWR Spectre II


both allow for multiple calibers
Link Posted: 10/20/2013 4:41:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/20/2013 4:48:01 PM EST by LA_357SIG]
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Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX:
What's the deal with aac' s prodigy can?
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I have a GEN 2 with the gen 3 core upgrade and I love it on my 16" 10/22 with CCI subsonics. It is okay (hearing safe) on pistols.

Pros: Lightweight, monocore, excellent on rifles.
Cons: Aluminum, cost, hard to disassemble.

ETA: I bought a tool from "st33v0" on Silencertalk. He started making them himself because when AAC wouldn't.
http://www.bellresources.org/portal/index.php/products/
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Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:41:26 AM EST
Gemtech just announced their new GM-22. It's on their website.
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