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Posted: 1/21/2009 6:55:46 AM EDT
I'm thinking about getiing a Calico Liberty I rifle in 9mm and making it into a SBR.

Anyone have any info on them.... looking for input from Calico owners. Worth a damn or crap?

I'm just looking for something different and odd.
Link Posted: 1/21/2009 7:36:52 AM EDT
Might want to thoroughly research them.

My understanding is they are problematic and customer service is shit from them.
Link Posted: 1/21/2009 8:56:44 AM EDT
I traded into one with the idea of doing a SBR build with it.  It has been 100% reliable for me for the 500rd or so I have put through it.  I have only shot Winchester white box through it, so I can't say how it does with other ammo.  It is also pretty accurate, but the really weak point is the sights.  This thing really needs some optics on it.  I will eventually get a scope mount and red dot for it.

The ergonomics are very good except for the sights.  I will say again, the sights are the weak point in the carbine.  I love the straight down ejection and that you can use a shell catcher without it getting in the way.  The stock is pretty decent.  

The only other complaint I have is that the recoil is pretty sharp for a 9mm carbine.  It is not 'bad', but the recoil impulse is pretty sharp compared to my M-11/9 SMG (on semi) or to the Norinco Uzi I used to have.  It is pretty lightweight which adds to it.  I am not recoild sensitive at all, my favorite gun is my Benelli M1 12ga.  But I was surprised at the sharp recoil impulse.

Calico sells the pistol fore end, so that is not the problem.  So if you form 1 it, add the pistol fore end and chop the barrel, you should be good to do.  I will eventually get to it, but I have a 10/22, Saiga-12 & Rem 870 inline before the Calico.  Although I may do all 4 at the same time after I pay my income taxes.

I can't say anything about the Calico customer service as I haven't dealt with them.  I have seen the Calico 9mm upper for the M-11/9 and wasn't real impressed with the quality of work.  I have a Lage upper which is priced the same and there is no comparison in the quality of craftmanship.  The Lage upper is night & day better.  I can't say about function as I haven't shot the Calico 9mm upper, but the Lage is definitely worth the scratch.
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 9:09:45 AM EDT
I have one and I like it alot. I did some changes to it, but nothing that had to do with function.

It runs 100%....mines a M951, but same difference.

I tried to sell it a while back, but I don't think many people think much of them....and I think that is truely due to ignorance. Most people have never handled one or fired one. I am glad now that I did keep it.......I fell back in love with it

Link Posted: 1/24/2009 2:20:11 PM EDT
HK_dude is exactly on target. The people trashing them usually have never even fired one. I have had almost every model they made, my favorite is still the Liberty III pistol, just too much fun. I have never found ammo it won't shoot. One of the .22s I had had issues, but after about 200 rounds it seemed to work itself out. I was seriousely thinking of an SBR on one of my rifles, but ended up doing an AR in 300 whisper instead. Just a heads up, Calico CS was always great to me, but the company has changed hands since the last time I dealt with them so that may have changed.
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 6:52:23 PM EDT
I love mine, don't know what the complaint about recoil is. This thing is a pussycat. Esp compared to blowback carbines like the Keltec sub 2000s
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 7:38:42 PM EDT
The fact that it doesn't have a 6 pound bolt is very cool in my book. It has a delayed locking roller system ala HKish......it is very under-rated.

The Keltecs have such a violent recoil, they feel like they are going to beat themselves to pieces.
Link Posted: 1/25/2009 7:48:08 PM EDT
I am not saying it has alot of recoil, I am just surprised that a 5 or 6 pound carbine would have any recoil the is noticable.  It doesn't recoil much, but the impluse is sharp.  I liken it to a .40S&W vs. a .45ACP.  The .45 has more recoil, but the .40 is sharper.  The Calico isn't bad by any means, I was just surprised at the sharpness of the impluse.  Especially compared to a blowback such as the Cobray M-11/9.  I haven't shot alot of 9mm carbines, only my M-11/9 SMG, HK MP-5 and an semi Uzi.  The 9mm round is a pretty soft recoiling round unless you get into the super lightweight carry pistols (Kahr PM-9, etc) and even then it is very managable.
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