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Posted: 3/31/2006 3:28:42 PM EDT
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from what i know saboted slugs are for rifled barrels
foster type are for smoothbore |
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Posted: 3/31/2006 3:29:56 PM EDT
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I use an 1187 smoothbore for 3 Gun & we shoot slugs at different stages. I'm pleasantly surprised at the groups I get with the cheapest slugs out there & that's rarely ever sabots.
At 50 yards, I would think 2-3" groups would be doable off of a rest. Maybe off-hand, if you're a good shooter? My .o2 |
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Posted: 3/31/2006 4:25:00 PM EDT
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General consensus of people who have experimented with shooting sabot slugs in a non-rifled shotgun is, they aren't as accurate as standard rifled slugs.
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Posted: 3/31/2006 4:34:35 PM EDT
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If you have the Rem Choke System, you can get a rifled choke tube that will increase the accuracy potential a lot. A fully rifled barrel would be better with sabots.
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Posted: 3/31/2006 7:33:52 PM EDT
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" My dedicated slug gun is a Remington 1100 with a 20" barrel, rifled choke and rifle sights. You can hit easily a paper plate with it offhand at 100 yards. Last summer I won a bet shooting it at an 8" plate offhand @ 200 yards using Remington Copper Solid Sabots - needless to say, that falls into the realm of "lobbing"."
No offense intended, but I'd have to see that to believe it... I do most of my gun hunting for deer with slugs, and have shot pretty much all of them with different barrel combinations - and for ANYONE to "easily" hit pie plates @ 100 yards shooting offhand would surely be a feat - not to mention 8" offhand @ 200 yards with a shotgun with irons... - georgestrings |
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Posted: 3/31/2006 7:35:11 PM EDT
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That's been my experience on the subject... - georgestrings |
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Posted: 3/31/2006 7:38:29 PM EDT
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Agreed... - georgestrings |
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Posted: 4/1/2006 4:39:25 AM EDT
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"Camera man ready.....here we go, 200 yard paper plate shot, take 4327." 
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Posted: 4/1/2006 5:40:19 AM EDT
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Yeah, really - I have to say, that if he could make THAT shot, he'd win some money from me, too... Offhand @ 200 yards with open sights???!!! That 8" plate is just a tiny speck at that distance - I regularly shoot pie plates at 200 yards with the irons on an FAL or AR-15, and those plates don't look too big from that distance - and offhand, I doubt I could manage many hits at all - and not meaning to brag, but I'm generally considered a decent offhand shot... - georgestrings |
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Posted: 4/1/2006 6:27:37 AM EDT
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I can easily hit a paper plate off hand at 100yards with my 870(28"bbl). No BS. At 200 though... That is betting material. I can hit a 12" steel plate @200 with my ruger 10/22 almost every shot once I get in the grove. I gotta find a nice spot about 5' above the target to aim at. That will just get me the bottom of the plate. I would say that the shotgun would be about the same difficulty. Doable if thats what you train on. Edit: Oh yeah, I thought the sabot slugs were for shootin out of rifled barrels only. I could be wrong but I think that the lack of rifling would cause the bullet to spin all fucked up. |
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Posted: 4/1/2006 8:24:34 AM EDT
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I appreciate the disbelief at a 200 yard slug shot, so let me clarify. The 100 yard shot is no problem because it's just a matter of correct holdover. 200 yards is a whole 'nother ball of wax. There is so much drop that the sights are useless. It took me about five shots to dial in where I needed to be aiming - mind you this is a "both eyes open" shot which is aimed more like a mortar than a rifle. It comes down to "put it on your shoulder and with both eyes open, overlay the front of the forearm with the target" kind of thing. But once you figure it out for your shotgun, you too can hit things at 200 yards (FYI, this is not a practical or sporting shot by any means).
As I said, it was to settle a bet. I'm sure your friends will jump around and cheer like mine did. Give it a try. |
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Posted: 4/1/2006 11:05:08 AM EDT
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From the "For what it's worth department".
Last fall I read the book "One Ranger" by retired Texas Ranger H. Joaquin Jackson. This was an account of his legendarily "eventful" 30 years as a hard-case Texas border Ranger. In one chapter, he discussed his weapons, which ranged from an M2 full-auto carbine, to a M14. His pistol of choice was a Colt Commander. He also used at various times, a S&W .44 Magnum for horse mounted duty, an Armalite AR-180, and his favorite weapon, a custom hard chromed, 16" barreled Winchester Model 94. His favorite shotgun was a Remington Model 1100, which he said "allowed him to hit a man at up to 300 yards. Jackson is not noted for BS-ing, so I'd tend to take his word for it, unless this is a misprint. |
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Posted: 4/1/2006 12:13:30 PM EDT
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I don't know about Ranger Jackson except by reputation, but I would bet that if he said he could do it, he could damned well either do it or come very close most of the time. Guys who are able to almost literally "live with a gun in their hands" can do some absolutely amazing stuff. I have a couple of books on the old exhibition shooters...the pros who shot for big companies like Winchester, Remington and Smith & Wesson back in the pre-TV days from the late 1800s to the 1930s. Many of the things they routinely did were well documented, and when they had a "good" day, the sky was the limit. Ad Topperwein allegedly won money from John Browning himself on a bet that he could hit aerial targets with a BAR, and his wife Plinky was no slouch either.
They say that Billy Hill, a shooter for Remington, was demonstrating skeet shooting one day and called for a high house bird...he missed...he called for another and "missed" that one also. He stopped for a minute and called his assistant over. The assistant hustled away and returned in a moment with a box of shells, which Hill used to reload his shotgun with. He then called for another bird. Blam! The bird sailed away with a hole through the center. The guys had decided to play a prank and were throwing some cast alloy birds that had been made for use as sales display items, and Hill, realizing what they had done, had told his assistant to get him some slugs! Can I hit an 8" plate offhand at 200yd. with a slug firing offhand? I dunno, but if I did I think I would grab a lottery ticket on the way home! Remember...if you want to MAKE the shot, you have to TAKE the shot! |
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Posted: 4/1/2006 1:24:58 PM EDT
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Good stories all around. I wanted to add that I'm no magical shooter, this is a real do-able shot and as the man said, you've gotta try it to make it happen.
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Posted: 4/1/2006 1:33:25 PM EDT
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When I first became a cop we had S&W MP10 .38 specials. I brought my gun to the range and shot the living shit out of it and could make head shots at 100 yards easily. Could I do it today, no f-ing way beacause I have not had that gun in my hand for 12 or so years.
The lesson is shoot, shoot more and shoot more often. Don't spend money on shit to hang off your barrel until you are confident with the gun as is. I own 9 1100's and 6 870's. They come to my shoulder without any thought. That is what you want. A few months ago I bought a 18" barrel 870 Express barrel. I benched the gun and it could give 6' goups with slugs at 100 yards. With no sight! Now I bring that gun to my shoulder and hit head shots at 50 yards off hand with ease. Next year I am using that barrel to hunt deer on Long Island as soon as I kill one with my new sp-10. MIKE. |
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Posted: 4/1/2006 5:32:50 PM EDT
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You guys got DEER on Long Island? Outside of the zoo? Damn!
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Posted: 4/1/2006 5:37:09 PM EDT
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six foot groups at 100 yards is not good at all. I am thinking you meant 6" |
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Posted: 4/2/2006 7:36:44 AM EDT
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Thanks, Typed that without my reading glasses. I can see a ant at 100 yards but can't read a newspaper. Old age is great. MIKE. |
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Posted: 4/2/2006 7:40:50 AM EDT
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Yes we have lot's of deer on Long Island! The bow season is the months of October, November and December. The shotgun season is the month of January but on weekdays only. For bow hunting you only need a bow stamp but to hunt the shotgun season you have to enter a lottery system. Complicated but fun. MIKE. Sorry for taking the thread over. MIKE. |
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Posted: 4/2/2006 7:45:22 AM EDT
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For best results use sabot slugs in fully rifled barrels or rifled choke tubes. "Rifled slugs" or foster style slugs in smooth bore barrels with any choke except extra full or supper full turkey or special buckshot choke tubes. Best results are cylinder bore or improved cylinder chokes. MIKE.
PS: Send all extra sabot slugs to me for proper disposal. MIKE. |
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