Posted: 1/11/2003 7:28:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/11/2003 7:29:40 AM EDT by Wave]
Your Garand was manufactured between Sept '42 and Feb '43
Either a M1 or a M1905 or a cut down M1905. The Garand was issued with a M1905 16inch bayonet through early 1943 and in 1943 the M1 10inch was adopted. Many 16inch M1905s were cut to 10inchs. M5 or M5A1 are 50s to 60s vintage.
more info here M-1 Garand Bayonet History
For an Original bayonet you might try here www.finnaa.com/bayonetpage.html
Here's something else for ya' Wave.
Did you know your rifle cost the US Govt only $35.21? And that includes the cost of the tooling. Mind boggling, ain't it?
Check out Scott Duff's books. This info came from page 114 of his book The M1 Garand: WORLD WAR ll. Page 128, same book shows your rifle made in Nov. 1942.
The history of M1 Garand Bayonets
by Robert Gibson Fulton Armory
There are actually five (5) distinct types of bayonets that are "correct" for a U.S. Rifle, Cal. .30, M1, depending upon which was authorized for a particular point in time.
MODEL 1905 BAYONET, Early: Originally designed for M1903 and M1917 US Rifles, this was first type to see use on the Garand. They usually came with a canvas covered, wooden scabbard. The bayonet had a bright blade until about 1917, after which they were parkerized. Later, during WWII, almost all of the earlier "bright blade" 1905 bayonets were parkerized too since it cut down on reflection in combat. These are very hard to find and are very collectable. The blade was 16" in length and each bayonet had its own serial number, along with a manufacturer's name or code and date stamp. The grips were made of wood.
MODEL 1905 BAYONET, Late: These are identical to the Early except they were parkerized from the start, are rougher in appearance and finish and were equipped with black or reddish plastic grips rather than wooden ones. They have no serial numbers and are dated either "1942" or "1943." Many call this the Model 1942 bayonet, however this isn't the official name. These bayonets came with the M3 olive-drab fiberglass scabbard.
I've not run across either Early or Late M1905 bayonets in some time except in private collections, and those weren't for sale at any price.
BAYONET, M1: In mid-1943 a new bayonet was ordered with shorter blade of 10" length. It was identical to the 1905 Type 2 except for the 10" blade. A shorter M7 olive-drab metal/fiberglass scabbard came with it. These generally can be found running in the $50-$65 range at most any gun show.
MODEL 1905E1 BAYONET: In 1944-1946 many of the Early and Late 1905 bayonets were reworked by cutting them down to a 10" length. Depending upon who did the modification, the ends were reground to either a spear or clip point. Any wooden grips were exchanged for black or reddish plastic types. This bayonet would fit into an M7 scabbard, or into a modified M3 (cut down to the shorter length). These can be found at about $50, more or less.
BAYONET, M5: In 1954, the bayonet for the M1 Garand was completely redesigned. It came with a 7" blade and was made in several sub-types: M5, M5-1 and M5A1, which reflect just minor differences in construction. It used the same M8A1 scabbard as issued with the M4 Carbine bayonet. They generally cost around $40 to $50 for the real USGI item.
Note on the M5/M5-1/M5A1:
"In Kuhnhausen's book the M5 and M5A1 are almost identical, with the differences being: (1) the grind of the cutting edge on the M5 goes straight all the way to the guard while the M5A1 curves to nothingness at the guard, and (2) on the M5 the spring that activates the lug release button is at right angles to the button and the tang, while on the M5A1 the tang is modified slightly with an angled surface so the spring is angled toward the point of the knife at about a 45 degree angle instead of at right angles. A third difference is the lug release piece. On the M5 it is a folded piece of sheet steel that when viewed from the front forms a U shape, while on the M5A1 though it is almost identical, there is a fold of metal to enclose the front of the button at the front of the button piece." --Frank Burke
The most desirable are the Early Model 1905 bayonets. Two years ago I was offered a Late Model 1905 for $90 but I passed. Today I'm given to understand the price would be much, much higher, if you could find one for sale to start with. Yes, I've kicked myself over this ever since.
I wouldn't even hazard a guess on a price for an Early Model 1905.
There are many 7" M5 types around today. Many of these are repro/clones that were made by the ROK (Republic of Korea) for use when their armed forces carried the M1 Garand. These clone M5 series bayonets can be found most anywhere at quite low prices. I've seen them running well under $20.
Hope this info helps.
Note on Korean War M1 Bayonets:
The correct bayonet for the U.S. Rifle, Cal. .30, M1 for the KOREAN WAR PERIOD, 1950 thru 1953, could actually be either of the following; note that both are "hold overs" from World War II.
Bayonet, M1 with M7 fiberglass scabbard. It has a 10-inch blade. The fuller was 5.75-inches long and began 3-inches from the point. The blade tip ended in a spear point and plastic grips, black or brownish in color, were installed. Production of this bayonet type began in mid-1943 during World War II (as mentioned above).
Bayonet, M1905E1 with M7 fiberglass scabbard Between 1944 and 1946 the US Govt modified many of the earlier 16-inch M1905 Type 1 and Type 2 bayonets by cutting the blades to 10-inch length and regrinding the tips to either spear or clip points. They're easily ID'd since the blood groove runs out past the blade tip. There is some evidence to support the claim that once these essentially World War I vintage bayonets were modified to the 10-inch blade length they became mixed with the Bayonet, M1 in the US Govt logistical supply system of the day and were also called Bayonet, M1. Technically this was incorrect as the official designation is M1905E1. Many of the 16-inch M3 scabbards that matched the 16-inch M1905 bayonets were modified to accept the shorter 10-inch M1 and M1905E1 bayonets.
If the correct bayonet used during the Korean War (1950 to 1953) is what you're looking for, you want either the M1 or M1905E1 with 10-inch blade.
Many are going to tell you the Bayonet, M5 with its 7-inch blade is the correct Korean War bayonet to match the M1 Garand. This just simply is not true. This shorter-bladed bayonet wasn't developed until 1954, the year after the end of open combat in Korea. This newer 7-inch bayonet (with the M8A1 scabbard) did indeed make it to Korea where it saw use for something like 20 years (maybe longer) with both US and ROK armed forces, however it wasn't on the scene until after the end of open hostilities.
For those rifles that may have fought in combat in Korea between 1950-1953 then the M1 or M1905E1 are "correct." If the rifle served afterwards then the M5 is probably a safe choice. Naturally there would've been some degree of overlap until such time as the older M1/M1905E1 types were phased out and replaced by M5 bayonet type; maybe a year or two? Who really knows for sure.
Hope this is of some help to you.
I've seen a lot of M1 Garand bayonets on eBay. In fact, as I recall, that's where I got the 10-inch bayo for mine. The 16-inchers in good condition cost an arm and a leg.
Yes, The 1905 16" bayonets will cost you a couple hundred bucks. Very expensive. All WWII items like that are going through the roof.