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Posted: 8/3/2004 11:21:28 AM EST
Anybody out here sporting a TA01B or any of the other .308 ACOGs on their M1A's?

Feedback would be welcome.

Thanks!

Hep

Link Posted: 8/3/2004 11:24:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2004 11:27:46 AM EST by Lumpy196]
Link Posted: 8/3/2004 11:25:53 AM EST
I think there are a few guys over at M14 Firing Line that do. Try post something there.
Link Posted: 8/3/2004 2:23:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2004 2:23:47 PM EST by coulter6]
I have an ACOG I use on my AR15, so I tried in on my Bush rifle. I don't use this setup, I just put the ACOG on the mount to take this pic.


The mount is Brookfield and the ACOG mount is an ARMS 19S; as you can see it sits very high. The ARMS 18 mount is a bit lower and you may be able to find an ACOG mount that will sit the scope a hair lower, but all in all what you see is what you get.

The TA01B has an eye relief is 1.5" --- very short for .308 recoil (Ouch!). There is another .308 ACOG that has a 2.5" eye relief that may work better -- the TA11C or E.

I tried looking through my ACOG and it's quite awkward. There's no cheek weld and you really can't get close enough to get optimal eye relief because of the full stock on the M14.
Link Posted: 8/3/2004 2:50:35 PM EST
Here's my M1A Scout
The TA11E was custom mounted to the ARMS mount by milling the channel a little wider and drilling two holes in it. It was then screwed on through the magwell. Lowered the scope about 1/2" from standard mounting.
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/594_1091397601_m1ascopeoblique.jpg
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/594_1091397578_m1aoblique.jpg
Link Posted: 8/3/2004 3:06:09 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/3/2004 5:17:02 PM EST
Aussie_E, nice looking rifle and a very clever idea.
Trijicon made a dedicated M14 ACOG, but I have had a hard time tracking one down (got outbid on one on ebay). I have been considering the Leupold VX-III 1.5-5x20mm Illuminated Reticle, or a Compact ACOG with the ring mount. But then again, the irons on an M1A are just so sweet.

Link Posted: 8/3/2004 5:18:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Now thats cool...




Agreed.
Link Posted: 8/3/2004 5:56:26 PM EST
So THAT"S the rifle my scout mount came from...Nice set-up Aussie

My bush/scout is working out fine with an Aimpoint.....
Link Posted: 8/5/2004 12:05:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By QuinlanV:
Aussie_E, nice looking rifle and a very clever idea.
Trijicon made a dedicated M14 ACOG, but I have had a hard time tracking one down (got outbid on one on ebay). I have been considering the Leupold VX-III 1.5-5x20mm Illuminated Reticle, or a Compact ACOG with the ring mount. But then again, the irons on an M1A are just so sweet.




The TA01B?
Link Posted: 8/5/2004 3:22:28 PM EST
I would definatly go with a TA11 over any other Trijicon ACOG as ot has a little more eye relief. You still have to get up on the scope but not as much as a TA31. The 1.25-4x Accupoint is sweet and has all types of eye relief ( have one on my comp AR forward of the receiver and one on a scout mount on my 45-70 guide gun) but this is not a tactical scope. If you would be happpy with something not as rugged as a ACOG and a lot cheaper the Accupoint is a great scope.
Link Posted: 8/5/2004 4:19:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/5/2004 4:22:46 PM EST by hepcat85]
I prefer the reticle of the TA01B.....


So did Trijicon drop the ball on this unit, as far as eye relief????
Link Posted: 8/6/2004 6:13:39 AM EST
How about an Elcan? One of those might fit okay with the lower Smith Enterprises tactical scope base. Plus the Elcan is really expensive for those of us on an unlimited budget!
Link Posted: 8/6/2004 6:16:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
WAY too high of a cheek weld is required IMHO.

When I finally scope mine out its going to be with a Trijicon Accu-point. Magnification and the BAC in a design that will actually work well with the M1A.



Lumpy's got the right idea
Link Posted: 8/9/2004 6:58:34 AM EST
Here is a pic of the ACOG with integral M14 mount-





I had one, then sold it as it didnt fit into my collecting plans. I never fired with it, but I imagine that the short eye relief of the standard ACOG would make it a pain to shoot.

Link Posted: 8/11/2004 10:50:01 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/11/2004 12:14:03 PM EST
Neat.

I tried that on my AR. Gotta try it on the M1A....
Link Posted: 8/11/2004 12:52:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/11/2004 12:53:58 PM EST by asm1]
thats a acog and a eotech cowitness ? why ????

cant wate here this
Link Posted: 8/11/2004 3:27:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By asm1:
thats a acog and a eotech cowitness ? why ????

cant wate here this




It's probably a TA01B and has no BAC. So the EoTech ret viewed through the ACOG provides that capibility. I'm gonna try it when I get home.
Link Posted: 8/11/2004 4:43:52 PM EST
whats does BAC meen?

i am lost but i do wont to understand. alittle more info please..

thanks,,,,,

Link Posted: 8/11/2004 4:50:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By asm1:
whats does BAC meen?

i am lost but i do wont to understand. alittle more info please..

thanks,,,,,




Here you go....
Link Posted: 8/11/2004 6:55:20 PM EST
OK thanks i know what BAC meens now, but why would you mount the eotech in front of the acog ?

sorry but i am still lost

Link Posted: 8/12/2004 9:08:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/12/2004 9:12:23 AM EST by hepcat85]

Originally Posted By asm1:
OK thanks i know what BAC meens now, but why would you mount the eotech in front of the acog ?

sorry but i am still lost




Me? No, not me...I just said I was going to try it when I got home.

I did. It was a little odd. I was able to look through my TA01 and see the enlarged EoTech reticle. I imaging one (the pictured trooper) could use it like so.

HOWEVER, I think it's more likely that he uses the ACOG as his primary, EoTech off. When need be, he pops off the ACOG and fires up the EoTech. I guess the ACOG goes into a read pocket/pouch/etc.Essentially using the rail as storage space. I recall seeing a pic of an operator in 'stan who had a carry handle mounted on the left side of his RAS on his M4. Looked odd, but I guess it was the best set-up for him.
Link Posted: 8/12/2004 12:22:48 PM EST
What do you fellows think of the IOR Valdada 4x24 M2 .308 Tactical Scope with the CQB reticle???

It can be found here...

Or what do you think of IOR Valdada in general???
Link Posted: 8/12/2004 5:24:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/13/2004 4:30:53 AM EST by hepcat85]
That's it....I've decided. I'm putting my 512 Rev F on. Go ahead....kick my ass.
Link Posted: 8/13/2004 8:12:47 PM EST
Aussie_E,
What kind of cheek piece is that? Someone gave me one of those, but I don't know who makes it.

Do you have a better pic of it? I'm also trying to figure out the best way to cinch it down. Thanks!
Link Posted: 8/14/2004 9:38:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/14/2004 9:39:59 AM EST by Aussie_E]
eskkay,
That is a Blackhawk Industries cheekpiece. What I did:
1. Loop the "shoelace" through the to rear holes.
2. Open the buttplate on the rifle and loop the back lace under it with cheekpiece on the stock. This cinches the cheekpiece horizontally.
3. Lace the cheekpiece from front to back.
4. Tie a knot at the front behind were you place your firing hand.
5. Thread the extra lace back under the cheekpiece and laces.
I just figured this worked best for me. No loose end exposed, cinched both vertically and horizontally and I didn't have to cut any laces incase I needed the extra lenght in the future.
If you want some pics email me so I can email them to you and don't have to waste storage on my picture hanger sight.
Aussie E
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 6:09:19 PM EST
Doesn't the ACOG also have a very short eye relief? Like 2" vs. 3-3.5" for most conventional scopes?
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 8:07:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/15/2004 8:07:42 PM EST by Aussie_E]
Ya the eye relief is short, the TA11's have about an extra 1" on the 31's, but you still have to get up on it. You can be further back if your doing in close work and have the dot/triangle/chevron out of focus. You just super-impose it on the target ans squeeze the trigger.
Link Posted: 8/16/2004 7:18:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/16/2004 8:11:44 PM EST by Doctor M14]
How about a good set of factory iron sights and forget about it? All the techno hocus pocus looks like more trouble than it's worth. Just my 2 cents.
Link Posted: 8/17/2004 6:42:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By Doctor M14:
How about a good set of factory iron sights and forget about it? All the techno hocus pocus looks like more trouble than it's worth. Just my 2 cents.




Yes, shooting with iron sights is essential number one....but IMHO the "hocus pocus" shouldn't be shunned. Hell, if we didn't embrace some hocus pocus we'd be getting ARFCOM MONTHLY instead of posting on the World Wide Web.
Link Posted: 8/17/2004 7:10:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By Doctor M14:
How about a good set of factory iron sights and forget about it? All the techno hocus pocus looks like more trouble than it's worth. Just my 2 cents.



better target ID at longer ranges iron sites do not have the X factor.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 9:49:42 AM EST
Aside from the hatred for the Leupold CQ/T out here, has anyone tried one on an M1A? I see it working well for CQB to Meidum range. Thoughts?
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 10:54:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2004 10:57:33 AM EST by Lumpy196]
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 4:25:14 PM EST
lumpy you said you wonted to mount a trijicon accupoint wth bac in a configeration that will actually work,

so what mounts rings wich accupoint ?
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 4:28:56 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 4:55:03 PM EST
lumpy, would a cheek pad still be needed for proper cheek weld?
the larue mounts why use them over say arms or leupold ?

i found an acupoint 3x9x40mm bac amber point. for$500.00 NIB thats a good deal eh ?
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 5:13:16 PM EST
The Accupoint for under $500 is a good deal. Should really get a new style one with finger adjustable windage and elevation knobs.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 6:03:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2004 6:04:59 PM EST by thejokker]

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
Originally Posted By hepcat85:
Aside from the hatred for the Leupold CQ/T out here, has anyone tried one on an M1A? I see it working well for CQB to Meidum range. Thoughts?

A HEAVY scope sitting up VERY high on an M1A. That would have terrirble handling characteristics.

Anyone consider the Special Base Compact ACOGs?




that's what i was thinking as i started to read this thread. it's also very lightweight and the 2x has acceptable eye relief for a .308.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 5:55:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2004 5:56:57 PM EST by QuinlanV]

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By hepcat85:
Aside from the hatred for the Leupold CQ/T out here, has anyone tried one on an M1A? I see it working well for CQB to Meidum range. Thoughts?



A HEAVY scope sitting up VERY high on an M1A. That would have terrirble handling characteristics.

Anyone consider the Special Base Compact ACOGs? This is a sweet setup from JohnnyReb at battlerifles.com:

www.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/civilian/ACOG01.jpgwww.imageseek.com/m1a/gallery/albums/civilian/ACOG02.jpg



I have been thinking about trying that same setup on my Scout.

Here are a couple more pics of the M14 ACOG.


Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:21:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By QuinlanV:
Here are a couple more pics of the M14 ACOG.
img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/quinlanv/m14a1.jpg
img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/quinlanv/m14a2.jpg
img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/quinlanv/m14a3.jpg



Quinlan,
I've seen pics like those somewhere before. Does Trijicon still make those? I don't see them anywhere on their website.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 12:56:14 AM EST
Here is what I did to my issue National Match M14 here in Iraq for I had a similiar problem. Had the iron sighted M14 and a M4A1 with EOTech and ACOG. End up ordering a SA scout mount for the EOTech because the height was too high for the ACOG plus eye relief. (cheaper to order just a mount then a new mount plus scope you don't have) I generally carry the M14 daily as a main battle rifle (ammo LR M118) and use the the M4 with the ACOG and EOTech (ammo MK262 and M855). M4 also has Surefire M3 Milinniuem light.

An added benifit of having the reddot out forward is when you have NVGs mounted you can pick up the reddot and shoot without having to carry a AN/PEQ-2 or 4, (NODs don't bang into the EOTech since their far enough forward)

Link Posted: 9/9/2004 12:57:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/9/2004 12:59:55 PM EST by Waz-02]
Check this out. I think this what I'm going to do with my M1A. Troy's drop in stock. $650.

http://www.troyind.com/images/smpolicebig.jpg
Link Posted: 9/10/2004 8:45:08 PM EST
I did what lumpy wonts to do ! i put a acupoint 3x9x40 BAC on my m1a and it is bad ass!
i think this is a much better set up than the ACOG.
thanks lumpy for the great IDEA !
Link Posted: 10/9/2004 12:38:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By asm1:
lumpy, would a cheek pad still be needed for proper cheek weld?
the larue mounts why use them over say arms or leupold ?

i found an acupoint 3x9x40mm bac amber point. for$500.00 NIB thats a good deal eh ?



Hey asm1, where did you find an accupoint for $500? Or was it a private party? thanks.
Link Posted: 10/11/2004 9:40:22 AM EST
I'm going with a Nightforce 2.5-10x24 FC2 ret. I think that gives a good range of performance.

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