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Posted: 5/1/2015 10:50:44 PM EDT
Siliencershop has the AAC Illusion in 9mm:

http://www.silencershop.com/silencers/pistol/aac-illusion-9.html

Price is 676.

Based on this: Build Material 17-4 Stainless Steel, 6061 T6 Aluminum, 7075 T6 Aluminum
I'd assume the baffles are aluminum, though its not listed what they are.

http://www.advanced-armament.com/ILLUSION-9_p_692.html
This talks about a stainless steel blast baffel, so I assume the rest are Al.

Couple of ounces heavier than the Ti-Rant, and about the same length for 9mm.

It seems like a Ti-rant, with the eccentric bore aspect to have it sit lower on the axis and thus be able to use factory sights. At 33 db sound reduction compared to 35-38 listed for the Ti-Rant, thought it's longer, it seems the off bore aspect reduces availible can volume and thus supression.

It's an interesting can. I just picked up a Ti-rant 9, so I'm pretty set for this nitche, but for first time buyers, who don't have a 9mm can and just want to be able to use factory sights, it's a good option.

Oh I should know better. I'll but it just becuase ever NFA stamp I get makes little Eric Holder cry.

Link Posted: 5/1/2015 11:15:54 PM EDT
Yikes
Glad I've got a $349 Ti-rant pending right now.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 11:43:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Yikes
Glad I've got a $349 Ti-rant pending right now.
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Same here. I just don't feel the need to purchase a louder 9mm can at 2x the price.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 12:21:09 AM EDT
Sent for my second Tirant9 last week. I already have all pistons and a triad mount for all my guns so it was a natural choice.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 12:31:36 AM EDT
The Ti-Rant is a great can, which is why I have 3 - the 45, the 9, and the 9s.

Still, I'm curious about this Illusion model, as it would be nice to be able to use standard sights.

I know all about the "shoot through the can" method, and don't have good success with it.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 12:37:36 AM EDT
I'm not convinced standard sights will be unobscured...
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 12:57:50 AM EDT
Yeah, that's what I'd like to know more about.

The Osprey is supposed to do this, and on my Glock and HK USP, it still covered up the sights.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 8:54:46 AM EDT
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I fired one last weekend on a 19 and it blocked about half to 2/3 of the sights. I think they were factory night sights but I didn't pay close attention to that.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 9:29:19 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Yikes
Glad I've got a $349 Ti-rant pending right now.
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I just paid $625.00

Had no idea they were discounted at end of '14. Can't believe they discontinued them. Had to bite the bullet.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 10:14:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 1stID:
Yeah, that's what I'd like to know more about.

The Osprey is supposed to do this, and on my Glock and HK USP, it still covered up the sights.
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With Triji HD's, the sights are level with the top of the can making aiming MUCH easier than with other cans. Surefire Ryder 9 Ti looks promising in this regard, I'd skip freedom group's illusion.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 10:23:21 AM EDT
I maintain that this was a completely boneheaded move by AAC. Why would you introduce a louder, heavier silencer? The massive sales of existing round silencers mean that the public doesn't really give a shit about obscured sights. So you're scrificing weight and performance for a relatively modest improvement in aiming.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 3:05:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Conqueror:
I maintain that this was a completely boneheaded move by AAC. Why would you introduce a louder, heavier silencer? The massive sales of existing round silencers mean that the public doesn't really give a shit about obscured sights. So you're scrificing weight and performance for a relatively modest improvement in aiming.
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Well said.
I'd be interested in knowing what portion of people use pistol cans on carbines. This almost pushes AAC out of the market for 9mm ARs, the new CZ subgun, vector, etc.
Maybe I'm over exaggerating.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 4:00:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:

Well said.
I'd be interested in knowing what portion of people use pistol cans on carbines. This almost pushes AAC out of the market for 9mm ARs, the new CZ subgun, vector, etc.
Maybe I'm over exaggerating.
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By Conqueror:
I maintain that this was a completely boneheaded move by AAC. Why would you introduce a louder, heavier silencer? The massive sales of existing round silencers mean that the public doesn't really give a shit about obscured sights. So you're scrificing weight and performance for a relatively modest improvement in aiming.

Well said.
I'd be interested in knowing what portion of people use pistol cans on carbines. This almost pushes AAC out of the market for 9mm ARs, the new CZ subgun, vector, etc.
Maybe I'm over exaggerating.


Judging by ARFCOMers you'd think everyone and their brother shot 9mm ARs, I however have less than 0 interest in a pistol caliber AR, absolutely pointless in my mind. While I like the eccentric design, this can's biggest pitfall is that the Osprey is still the quietest pistol can with less maintenance while achieving the same objective as a better sight picture. Surefire Ryder 9 Ti accomplishes the same thing as well and should be hitting dealers very soon.... Not to mention the fact I wouldn't touch anything made by Freedom Group with a 40 foot pole.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 4:02:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Conqueror:
I maintain that this was a completely boneheaded move by AAC. Why would you introduce a louder, heavier silencer? The massive sales of existing round silencers mean that the public doesn't really give a shit about obscured sights. So you're scrificing weight and performance for a relatively modest improvement in aiming.
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+1 They took a step back IMO.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 4:55:17 PM EDT
They will sell and they will sell lots. Im sure aac has a new smg suppressor coming to market too. And for those of you that "have no desire" for a PCC.....your missing out.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 5:17:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sanman28:
They will sell and they will sell lots. Im sure aac has a new smg suppressor coming to market too. And for those of you that "have no desire" for a PCC.....your missing out.
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Yes us nonPCC guys sre missing out on a gun with all the weight of a rifle and all the power of a pistol. The worst of both worlds.

I played with the illusion at SHOT, its similar to the osprey. Sights are less obscured than a tegular can but still not anywhere close to a clear sight picture. Pass.
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 5:54:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 1slow01z71:

Yes us nonPCC guys sre missing out on a gun with all the weight of a rifle and all the power of a pistol. The worst of both worlds.

I played with the illusion at SHOT, its similar to the osprey. Sights are less obscured than a tegular can but still not anywhere close to a clear sight picture. Pass.
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Originally Posted By 1slow01z71:
Originally Posted By sanman28:
They will sell and they will sell lots. Im sure aac has a new smg suppressor coming to market too. And for those of you that "have no desire" for a PCC.....your missing out.

Yes us nonPCC guys sre missing out on a gun with all the weight of a rifle and all the power of a pistol. The worst of both worlds.

I played with the illusion at SHOT, its similar to the osprey. Sights are less obscured than a tegular can but still not anywhere close to a clear sight picture. Pass.


I find the excellent ergonomics of a short barreled AR, the quietness of a suppressed 22lr, and more than enough oomph down range to dispatch critters or give a good thwack on a target. YMMV
Link Posted: 5/2/2015 6:12:13 PM EDT
Yep, PCC owners don't have any fun...
Link Posted: 5/3/2015 3:49:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 1slow01z71:

Yes us nonPCC guys sre missing out on a gun with all the weight of a rifle and all the power of a pistol. The worst of both
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More like the accuracy and controllability of a rifle and the sound suppression of a pistol.

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