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Posted: 12/31/2011 12:23:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2012 1:30:52 PM EDT by tothemax]
Hello,

My step dad just picked up an older Remington wingmaster 870. The barrel is labeled 12ga for 2 3/4 or shorter. I loaded a 3" shell and it would chamber it just fine. Will it shoot 3" or should I stick with 2 3/4"? Also, why did the come with no screw in chokes?

Any way I can tell how old this gun is?

Thanks

EDIT: PICS!



Link Posted: 12/31/2011 12:33:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2011 12:37:04 PM EDT by dfariswheel]
DO NOT fire 3" shells in a 2 3/4" gun.
A 3" will chamber because shot shells are measured AFTER they're fired.
Firing a 3" shell in a 2 3/4" chamber can cause serious damage to the gun and you.

In addition, a 3" shell will not eject from a 2 3/4" gun. The 2 3/4" gun has a shorter ejector that can't eject the longer 3" shell.

Check the serial number on the receiver. If the number ends with a "M" the receiver is a 3" capable gun. You could buy a 3" chambered barrel and shoot 3" shells safely.
If the receiver doesn't have a "M" serial number or a barrel marked for 3" shells DON'T fire 3" shells.

If you want, the gun can be converted to handle 3" shells by sending it in to Remington or to a custom shop like Wilson and they can install a longer 3" ejector and re-chamber the barrel to handle 3" shells.

The gun doesn't have screw in chokes because screw in chokes weren't invented back then. Back in those days, the choke was made in the barrel and if you wanted a different choke you either bought a different barrel or installed an external adjustable choke on the barrel.

To get a date on when the gun was made, email Remington.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 12:51:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By dfariswheel:
DO NOT fire 3" shells in a 2 3/4" gun.
A 3" will chamber because shot shells are measured AFTER they're fired.
Firing a 3" shell in a 2 3/4" chamber can cause serious damage to the gun and you.

In addition, a 3" shell will not eject from a 2 3/4" gun. The 2 3/4" gun has a shorter ejector that can't eject the longer 3" shell.

Check the serial number on the receiver. If the number ends with a "M" the receiver is a 3" capable gun. You could buy a 3" chambered barrel and shoot 3" shells safely.
If the receiver doesn't have a "M" serial number or a barrel marked for 3" shells DON'T fire 3" shells.

If you want, the gun can be converted to handle 3" shells by sending it in to Remington or to a custom shop like Wilson and they can install a longer 3" ejector and re-chamber the barrel to handle 3" shells.

The gun doesn't have screw in chokes because screw in chokes weren't invented back then. Back in those days, the choke was made in the barrel and if you wanted a different choke you either bought a different barrel or installed an external adjustable choke on the barrel.

To get a date on when the gun was made, email Remington.


Copy that. Thanks for the info. The SN ends in a V. I think I will clean it up and just use it for trap. Seems to be a decent little gun
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 1:14:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By tothemax:
Originally Posted By dfariswheel:
DO NOT fire 3" shells in a 2 3/4" gun.
A 3" will chamber because shot shells are measured AFTER they're fired.
Firing a 3" shell in a 2 3/4" chamber can cause serious damage to the gun and you.

In addition, a 3" shell will not eject from a 2 3/4" gun. The 2 3/4" gun has a shorter ejector that can't eject the longer 3" shell.

Check the serial number on the receiver. If the number ends with a "M" the receiver is a 3" capable gun. You could buy a 3" chambered barrel and shoot 3" shells safely.
If the receiver doesn't have a "M" serial number or a barrel marked for 3" shells DON'T fire 3" shells.

If you want, the gun can be converted to handle 3" shells by sending it in to Remington or to a custom shop like Wilson and they can install a longer 3" ejector and re-chamber the barrel to handle 3" shells.

The gun doesn't have screw in chokes because screw in chokes weren't invented back then. Back in those days, the choke was made in the barrel and if you wanted a different choke you either bought a different barrel or installed an external adjustable choke on the barrel.

To get a date on when the gun was made, email Remington.


Copy that. Thanks for the info. The SN ends in a V. I think I will clean it up and just use it for trap. Seems to be a decent little gun


Another thanks dfaris. I just bought a police trade-in WM 870 and had the same questions as the OP.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 3:45:24 PM EDT
I figured out my wingmaster was made in 1955 using this info.
Sounds like your barrel has the same markings as mine.
This method is not perfect, but as long as it has the factory barrel, it's pretty good.

http://www.remingtonsociety.com/rsa/questions/barrelcodes
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 3:50:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Billy_Dee:
I figured out my wingmaster was made in 1955 using this info.
Sounds like your barrel has the same markings as mine.
This method is not perfect, but as long as it has the factory barrel, it's pretty good.

http://www.remingtonsociety.com/rsa/questions/barrelcodes

I called Remington, gave the rep. my serial number, and he gave me the year of manufacture. I tried to use that thing, but nothing on it matched my markings.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 4:46:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Billy_Dee:
I figured out my wingmaster was made in 1955 using this info.
Sounds like your barrel has the same markings as mine.
This method is not perfect, but as long as it has the factory barrel, it's pretty good.

http://www.remingtonsociety.com/rsa/questions/barrelcodes


I did not see any serial numbers on the barrel, only on the receiver.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 4:48:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 86HMMWV:
Originally Posted By Billy_Dee:
I figured out my wingmaster was made in 1955 using this info.
Sounds like your barrel has the same markings as mine.
This method is not perfect, but as long as it has the factory barrel, it's pretty good.

http://www.remingtonsociety.com/rsa/questions/barrelcodes

I called Remington, gave the rep. my serial number, and he gave me the year of manufacture. I tried to use that thing, but nothing on it matched my markings.


I also called and since it was the weekends no one answered. I emailed Remington with my info, so hopefully someone emails me back next week.
Link Posted: 1/1/2012 6:05:06 PM EDT
I went and shot it today. Shoots like a champ! I think its a keeper.
Link Posted: 1/4/2012 4:02:34 PM EDT
Little update from Remington...

Thank you for contacting Remington Country. Your Model 870 was produced in 1955

Pretty cool Wonder what its worth?
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 7:46:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tothemax:
Hello,

My step dad just picked up an older Remington wingmaster 870. The barrel is labeled 12ga for 2 3/4 or shorter. I loaded a 3" shell and it would chamber it just fine. Will it shoot 3" or should I stick with 2 3/4"? Also, why did the come with no screw in chokes?

Any way I can tell how old this gun is?

Thanks

As info, shotgun ammo length is measured with the crimp open, in the "fired" position. That's why an unfired 3" magnum fits into a 2 3/4" chamber.

When you fire the longer shell in the shorter chamber, the shot column tries to squeeze through and causes pressures to rise dramatically.

Link Posted: 1/5/2012 8:04:41 AM EDT
Wilson Combat can 'refresh' it and open it up to 3" if you really want 3" capability.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 8:08:08 AM EDT
Don't alter a 55 Wingmaster... Sell it and go buy what you want. Old Wingmaster's with fixed chokes are coveted.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 10:34:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By M4-AK:
Don't alter a 55 Wingmaster... Sell it and go buy what you want. Old Wingmaster's with fixed chokes are coveted.


I'll have to see what its worth. I really have no use for it other than a safe gun. I would like a tactical 870 to play with.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 10:54:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By frogdiver:
Wilson Combat can 'refresh' it and open it up to 3" if you really want 3" capability.


Keep in mind that Remington lost a class action lawsuit over metalurgy of some of their shotgun barrels. I would never alter one.

Buy a replacement barrel if you must. They are out there, even Mossberg makes one.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 11:01:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tothemax:

I'll have to see what its worth.

Assuming age appropriate wear and no damage, probably $325-350.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 11:23:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2012 11:24:01 AM EDT by mcculver5]
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 4:39:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SevenMaryThree:

Originally Posted By tothemax:

I'll have to see what its worth.

Assuming age appropriate wear and no damage, probably $325-350.


Thats what I was guessing. Thanks
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 4:44:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mcculver5:
Don't you need a magnum ejector assembly and a magnum barrel to shoot magnum loads in an old 870?

IDK all my 870 receivers are 1980 or newer.

I don't really like magnum buck or slug loads for HD. Those things hurt. Especially the slugs.

ETA: I know its an 870.... but I've loaded this page three times and there are no pics comming up.


Ill get pics up asap.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 1:31:01 PM EDT
Pics are up
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 2:39:25 PM EDT
It's got the corn cob forend... No way I'd butcher that. It looks like a sweet bird gun.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 3:05:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By M4-AK:
It's got the corn cob forend... No way I'd butcher that. It looks like a sweet bird gun.


Im guessing that is more sought after in this gun?

Like I said, its in good shape. It has been used but not abused. The wood could use some refinishing (which I am not going to do) and the bluing is wearing in spots. Overall its in good shape for its age.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 6:37:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By wildearp:
Originally Posted By frogdiver:
Wilson Combat can 'refresh' it and open it up to 3" if you really want 3" capability.


Keep in mind that Remington lost a class action lawsuit over metalurgy of some of their shotgun barrels. I would never alter one.

Buy a replacement barrel if you must. They are out there, even Mossberg makes one.


Settled, I wouldn't say class action though, no one knew about it until it was posted for people to collect. I collected about 120.00 for 4 or 5 shotguns.
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