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Posted: 10/12/2009 6:48:51 PM EST
I have 1000 405 gr Magnus hard cast lead bullets. What is a good load out of a H&R Handy Rifle? Also, Will any 300 gr .45 pistol bullet work.?
Link Posted: 10/13/2009 1:37:09 AM EST
Originally Posted By 3-gun:
I have 1000 405 gr Magnus hard cast lead bullets. What is a good load out of a H&R Handy Rifle? Also, Will any 300 gr .45 pistol bullet work.?


A handy Rifle is pretty light . I do not love recoil , some do . For me , the recoil would be the limiting factor .

So , what are you going to be doing with the rifle ? Hunting ? What ? What Range ?

Or , like me , paper punching ?

My standard light load is 13.5 - 13.6 grains of Unique behind 405 - 300 grain bullets .

.45 handgun bullets are from .451" - .454" .

.45-70 is supposed to be .458" , but my Marlin lukes at least .460" . So , no , handgun bullets will not work well . Unless , perhaps , you can paper patch them ? If you need bullete bigger than the 400's you have , paper patch them with cigarette paper .

Do not know what pressure the Handy is rated for , but the marlin can be loaded WAY hot . Hotter than I care to shoot .

Good , hot load powders are 3031 and Reloader 7 ( IIRC ) . Also 4198 .

God bless
Wyr
Link Posted: 10/13/2009 12:38:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/13/2009 12:40:34 PM EST by firefuzz1]
Originally Posted By WyrTwister:A handy Rifle is pretty light . I do not love recoil , some do . For me , the recoil would be the limiting factor .
God bless
Wyr


Yea, I got a detached retina from shooting a stiff load of 3031 behind a 400 gr cast bullet in a Handi-Rifle. The gun is just too light for anything but light loads.

Rob

Link Posted: 10/13/2009 1:03:32 PM EST
I've seen the H&R's in 500 S&W,270 Win and 30-06 so you can load till it hurts.
This is my Dad's 100 yd deer gun so I think the 405 hardcast over 12-13 grs of unique should do the trick. I have 3 lbs of 4198 if I want to load some 300 jhp's.
Link Posted: 10/13/2009 7:00:43 PM EST
Originally Posted By 3-gun:
I've seen the H&R's in 500 S&W,270 Win and 30-06 so you can load till it hurts.


Yes you can....it won't take long.

Rob

Link Posted: 10/15/2009 6:15:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By firefuzz1:
Originally Posted By WyrTwister:A handy Rifle is pretty light . I do not love recoil , some do . For me , the recoil would be the limiting factor .
God bless
Wyr


Yea, I got a detached retina from shooting a stiff load of 3031 behind a 400 gr cast bullet in a Handi-Rifle. The gun is just too light for anything but light loads.

Rob



Did not know that could happen...

I've never shot a handi-rifle, but I fondled one at a gun shop once and put it down as too... svelte. I got an 1885 instead.
Link Posted: 10/17/2009 12:20:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/17/2009 12:22:30 AM EST by firefuzz1]
The recoil in that rifle with a low end '86 Winchester load was far worse than my .458 Win Mag shooting full house loads. The first round snapped my ball cap and hearing protectors off my head. 6 rounds and it was gone.

Rob
Link Posted: 10/19/2009 6:26:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/19/2009 6:27:48 AM EST by wreckhog]
Since you are handloading, a light load of Unique or Trail Boss should produce a "cat sneeze" load.
Link Posted: 10/19/2009 7:59:25 AM EST
Originally Posted By wreckhog:
Since you are handloading, a light load of Unique or Trail Boss should produce a "cat sneeze" load.


I use 13 grains of trailboss under a 350ish home cast bullet for a plinker in my guide gun. I have not chronoed it, but feels/sounds like 900-1100 FPS range, quiet (realatively) and no recoil.
Link Posted: 10/20/2009 11:08:07 AM EST
i use 18.5 grs of trail boss under 350 gr bullets in my handi-rifle. kicks about like a 7mm mag.

SW
Link Posted: 10/20/2009 2:19:51 PM EST
27.0 grains of AA5744 will duplicate the old black powder load . It chrono's in the high 1200 's .
Link Posted: 10/21/2009 11:26:30 AM EST
So is the leverevolution 325 grain stuff going to blow my shoulder off out of a handi rifle?
Link Posted: 10/21/2009 12:05:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By DieselEngineer:

Originally Posted By firefuzz1:
Originally Posted By WyrTwister:A handy Rifle is pretty light . I do not love recoil , some do . For me , the recoil would be the limiting factor .
God bless
Wyr


Yea, I got a detached retina from shooting a stiff load of 3031 behind a 400 gr cast bullet in a Handi-Rifle. The gun is just too light for anything but light loads.

Rob



Did not know that could happen...

I've never shot a handi-rifle, but I fondled one at a gun shop once and put it down as too... svelte. I got an 1885 instead.



Kinda makes you rethink things............I didn't realize it could happen either, but it sure makes sense.

I know a guy that seriously fucked up his wrist shooting .454 Casulls.........

Link Posted: 10/22/2009 12:34:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/22/2009 12:35:31 PM EST by firefuzz1]
Originally Posted By DieselEngineer:

Originally Posted By firefuzz1:
Originally Posted By WyrTwister:A handy Rifle is pretty light . I do not love recoil , some do . For me , the recoil would be the limiting factor .
God bless
Wyr


Yea, I got a detached retina from shooting a stiff load of 3031 behind a 400 gr cast bullet in a Handi-Rifle. The gun is just too light for anything but light loads.

Rob



Did not know that could happen...

I've never shot a handi-rifle, but I fondled one at a gun shop once and put it down as too... svelte. I got an 1885 instead.


Two years to heal right to where I could shoot heavies again.

Rob

Link Posted: 10/22/2009 6:11:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By firefuzz1:
Originally Posted By DieselEngineer:

Originally Posted By firefuzz1:
Originally Posted By WyrTwister:A handy Rifle is pretty light . I do not love recoil , some do . For me , the recoil would be the limiting factor .
God bless
Wyr


Yea, I got a detached retina from shooting a stiff load of 3031 behind a 400 gr cast bullet in a Handi-Rifle. The gun is just too light for anything but light loads.

Rob



Did not know that could happen...

I've never shot a handi-rifle, but I fondled one at a gun shop once and put it down as too... svelte. I got an 1885 instead.


Two years to heal right to where I could shoot heavies again.

Rob


Now that I think about it, it makes sense, especially from a bench If you have a hard cheek weld, that will transmit more vibration into your cranium. I'm still awed, though.
Link Posted: 10/22/2009 6:37:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/23/2009 1:53:02 PM EST by ZekeMenuar]
I've got a Buffalo Classic. A glorified Handi with a 32" barrel. At 8.5 pounds it's still packs a whallop at the shoulder.

I use the Remington 405 jacketed flat nose and 46gr of AA2015 to get around 1700fps. Stout but manageable.
I've taken that bullet to 2100 fps. But at that speed the Remmy 405 doesn't work very well. 1600-1700 fps is the operational limit for that bullet.
A 405gr bullet moving at 1600fps out of a 22" Handi Rifle would kill anything that needed killing and not wipe your shoulder too much.

The Speer 350 can be taken to 2300 fps in a Buffalo Classic with no pressure signs or primer flattening.
This is in line with Marlin pressures and under Ruger #1 pressures. Note, filling the buttstock with lead shot helps lower felt recoil dramatically.
The Handi action is much stronger than people give it credit for.
The extra weight of the heavy barrel makes it balance easier and shoot very well offhand. Off the bench is another matter.



Link Posted: 10/23/2009 5:00:57 AM EST
.45-70-405

I'm going to be contrary for a moment and point out that at one time 405 grains of 20:1 alloy moving at 1200 - 1300 fps was considered to be enough for pretty much anything found in North America.

Are magnum powder charges and bullet alloys that are hard enough to cut diamonds really necessary? Do you really want a rifle that kills on one end but maims on the other?
Link Posted: 10/23/2009 5:03:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/23/2009 5:04:43 PM EST by firefuzz1]
Originally Posted By Paul-LC:
.45-70-405

Do you really want a rifle that kills on one end but maims on the other?


After seeing what a factory 45-70 does on whitetail deer, elk, hogs, dogs various metal targets...and being soundly beat up by light rifles and heavy loads before....not this child.

Rob

Link Posted: 10/29/2009 6:31:35 PM EST
Originally Posted By Nicktex:
So is the leverevolution 325 grain stuff going to blow my shoulder off out of a handi rifle?


Leverevolution ammo is loaded pretty warm.
Link Posted: 10/29/2009 7:47:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By Nicktex:
So is the leverevolution 325 grain stuff going to blow my shoulder off out of a handi rifle?

Order up new wood fitted with a Decelerator.

http://www.gunstocksinc.com/web_pages/Plate-pics/NEF-stocks/Handi-rifle-stocks.htm
Link Posted: 11/5/2009 5:03:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By Stove_Pipe:
Originally Posted By wreckhog:
Since you are handloading, a light load of Unique or Trail Boss should produce a "cat sneeze" load.


I use 13 grains of trailboss under a 350ish home cast bullet for a plinker in my guide gun. I have not chronoed it, but feels/sounds like 900-1100 FPS range, quiet (realatively) and no recoil.


For years my standard load in my 1895 Marlin .45-70 was 13.5 - 13.6 grains of Unique behind 300 - 405 grain cast lead .

1150 fps with the 405 .

God bless
Wyr
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