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Posted: 10/13/2010 5:08:38 PM EDT
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.45-70 since you will not always need heavy loads. You will shoot far more factory spec. .45-70 loads and enjoy the firearm more. A couple of boxes of Garrett Cartridges or Buffalo Bore heavy loads will do all the "magnum" performance you will need. Enjoy.
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Posted: 10/13/2010 5:10:11 PM EDT
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.45-70 With a strong modern action you can do everything from light to garrett hammerhead heavy.
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Posted: 10/13/2010 5:11:03 PM EDT
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I think brass is cheaper for the .45/70.
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Posted: 10/13/2010 5:24:57 PM EDT
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In your reading what is the difference besides rim or belt?
From my limited knowledge there is little advantage to the 450, except being different or new. I like different, but not in different calibers that do the same thing. |
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Posted: 10/13/2010 5:58:34 PM EDT
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In your reading what is the difference besides rim or belt? From my limited knowledge there is little advantage to the 450, except being different or new. I like different, but not in different calibers that do the same thing. Folks seem to think the 450 handles hotrodding a little better. With that said, I think 45-70 might be the right answer here... Is a modern marlin 1895 a good strong action? Like will I be able to use buffalo bore type loads in it? My reloading book has 3 different standards to load for. Springfield rifles, a Ruger number 1, and marlin lever guns... |
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Posted: 10/13/2010 6:01:02 PM EDT
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They both become seriously unpleasant to shoot long before they exceed the strength of the case.
Yes, the 1895 will take loads that will have you spitting your teeth out. The No. 1 is theoretically stronger, but see above. |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 4:57:21 AM EDT
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.45-70 .
God bless Wyr |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 5:41:12 AM EDT
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Since it sounds like you are a reloader I'd just go with the 45-70 and load as required.
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Posted: 10/14/2010 5:58:36 AM EDT
[#9]
.45-70 all the way. More brass options, more platform options...
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Posted: 10/14/2010 6:29:20 AM EDT
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.450 Marlin is a hot loaded 45-70 in a belted case. The belted case prohibits firing in an old 45-70 like a trapdoor.
If you reload, 45-70 is the answer 
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Posted: 10/14/2010 8:29:39 AM EDT
[#11]
 When you can go kill something large enough to sit on..... except no substitute. Marlin 1895 in .45-70 Government  |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 9:00:10 AM EDT
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I bought one of the very first Marlin .450 guide guns with the ported barrel.
To me, it was the better choice. I liked the fact that it is a hotter round than than the 45/70 The one thing I have noticed is when you are out in the middle of BFE, the local Mom&Pop gas station/ammo store usually will have 45/70 in stock. Not so much for the .450. But they are catching on. I don't reload, so I always have plenty of factory ammo stocked and always carry plenty when I'm out in BFE on a hunt. FYI |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 9:38:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: I bought one of the very first Marlin .450 guide guns with the ported barrel. To me, it was the better choice. I liked the fact that it is a hotter round than than the 45/70 The one thing I have noticed is when you are out in the middle of BFE, the local Mom&Pop gas station/ammo store usually will have 45/70 in stock. Not so much for the .450. But they are catching on. I don't reload, so I always have plenty of factory ammo stocked and always carry plenty when I'm out in BFE on a hunt. FYI I have the same except mine is in .45-70. |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 11:36:52 AM EDT
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I bought one of the very first Marlin .450 guide guns with the ported barrel. To me, it was the better choice. I liked the fact that it is a hotter round than than the 45/70 The one thing I have noticed is when you are out in the middle of BFE, the local Mom&Pop gas station/ammo store usually will have 45/70 in stock. Not so much for the .450. But they are catching on. I don't reload, so I always have plenty of factory ammo stocked and always carry plenty when I'm out in BFE on a hunt. FYI It is not a hotter round than the .45-70. It's hotter than Remington/Winchester loadings in that cartridge, but there are plenty of off the shelf types of ammo in 45-70 that exceed the .450 Marlin... |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 12:04:40 PM EDT
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I've seen several .450 Marlins that had extraction issues.
- AG |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 10:00:54 PM EDT
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I bought one of the very first Marlin .450 guide guns with the ported barrel. To me, it was the better choice. I liked the fact that it is a hotter round than than the 45/70 The one thing I have noticed is when you are out in the middle of BFE, the local Mom&Pop gas station/ammo store usually will have 45/70 in stock. Not so much for the .450. But they are catching on. I don't reload, so I always have plenty of factory ammo stocked and always carry plenty when I'm out in BFE on a hunt. FYI It is not a hotter round than the .45-70. It's hotter than Remington/Winchester loadings in that cartridge, but there are plenty of off the shelf types of ammo in 45-70 that exceed the .450 Marlin... If that's true, I stand corrected. I never shoot anything but factory ammo and I am VERY happy with my Marlin .450 using Hornady ammo. It's one of my favorites! |
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Posted: 10/14/2010 10:07:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: I've seen several .450 Marlins that had extraction issues. - AG If the chamber looks anything like my 1895's, they probably need to be polished. |
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Posted: 10/15/2010 7:18:37 AM EDT
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You can always count on finding 45-70 brass in the future, the 450 is a big question mark. 45-70 is a more logical choice if you reload.
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Posted: 10/15/2010 7:28:54 AM EDT
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I bought one of the very first Marlin .450 guide guns with the ported barrel. To me, it was the better choice. I liked the fact that it is a hotter round than than the 45/70 The one thing I have noticed is when you are out in the middle of BFE, the local Mom&Pop gas station/ammo store usually will have 45/70 in stock. Not so much for the .450. But they are catching on. I don't reload, so I always have plenty of factory ammo stocked and always carry plenty when I'm out in BFE on a hunt. FYI It is not a hotter round than the .45-70. It's hotter than Remington/Winchester loadings in that cartridge, but there are plenty of off the shelf types of ammo in 45-70 that exceed the .450 Marlin... If that's true, I stand corrected. I never shoot anything but factory ammo and I am VERY happy with my Marlin .450 using Hornady ammo. It's one of my favorites! Hornady loads a 325gr FTX in the .45-70 that does 2050fps. Granted they also up-loaded the .450 Marlin to a similar increase in velocity (2200 or something fps), but then again, they partnered with Marlin on that cartridge. Either way, 45-70 is more versatile and much more obtainable... ETA - My 45-70 is a Ruger #1, so I can damn near load the entire case up with powder, level it off, smash a bullet in, and let her rip. I can go higher on pressure than you lever gun fellas, basically... |
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Posted: 10/17/2010 9:30:02 AM EDT
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I run a marlin 1895G with the short barrel, and xs ghost ring sights. My first gun I reach for. For thick brush I load a 405 grain hardcast flat nose being pushed by 52 grains of Varget. Good medicine for pretty much all north american game in thick brush. Short barrel makes it easy to swing and shoot, I have had a box of buffalo bore rounds for the past 5 years, and still have 3 rounds left, they arn't fun to shoot. (though lighting paper targets on fire with the 8' muzzle flash is frigging awesome!) Super easy to load for and get parts.
my $0.02 |
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Posted: 10/18/2010 9:00:16 PM EDT
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I have a 450 marlin and really wish I had bought a 45/70 instead... Why? My last trip to Alaska my ammo box didn't make it and every place had 45/70 and I could only find one box of 450 marlin in Kenai for $65.00..That is the only reason though
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Posted: 10/19/2010 6:55:13 PM EDT
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There is an amusing thread on Marlin Owners. Some members have backordered new 450 brass for 2 years and counting. Not a showstopper as one can buy ammo to shoot for brass, and small sales of 1x are not hard to locate, but still bizarre as many obsolete cartridges are run at least once a year.
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Posted: 10/19/2010 7:01:59 PM EDT
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1895GS .45-70. Load it up, load it down. Versatile. 405gr hardcast or 300gr Hornady HP's going 2100fps. It's all there. You can always find .45-70 ammo too.
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Posted: 10/22/2010 4:53:28 PM EDT
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I went with the .45-70 because I handload and as it was mentioned before its more available usually. I worked up loads from 405gr hardcasts at BP equivalent velocities (or even using BP or substitutes), to heavier jacketed loads (still well under the limit of the 1895 and showing no pressure signs) such as 400 gr speer flatpoints cronographed at 1994 f.p.s. (5 shots averaged) One said it ealier, the .450 marlin was an attempt at producing a heavier .458 diameter rifle cartridge that COULDNT fit in an old trapdoor and grenade the rifle (basically legal reasons, that why they load down most .45-70 and 8mm mauser ammo)
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Posted: 10/24/2010 11:55:51 PM EDT
[#25]
I'd go 45-70
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Posted: 10/25/2010 12:05:49 AM EDT
[#26]
45-70 all the way. I love mine.
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Posted: 10/26/2010 10:07:16 AM EDT
[#27]
Cant beat a 45-70. Factory stuff is always available and if you handload you can do all a 450 can do.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=197341869 |
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Posted: 10/26/2010 12:55:46 PM EDT
[#28]
45-70
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