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Posted: 12/1/2013 2:32:33 PM EDT
What you think about them? I was thinking about going the contender route but this handi rifle
may be a better set up .I could also get my suppressed 357 mag setup too. Then a 45/70 loaded with 60grs black powder.
I think I just typed my self into it.
Link Posted: 12/1/2013 3:41:45 PM EDT
It was dead quiet and fun. Sold it after I bought an AR upper.
Link Posted: 12/1/2013 3:53:11 PM EDT
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How accurate?
Link Posted: 12/1/2013 5:32:45 PM EDT
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I think the 357 magnum Handi is a better host. I mostly shoot 38 in mine but also have it reamed to 357 Maximum for deer hunting. 38 is cheaper if you buy factory ammo, easy to reload, easy to find brass, cheap lead bullets. Also most 9mm cans have a direct thread mount, so you dont need to spend money buying a QD flash hider or brake.  You can shoot it at any indoor range because it is a pistol caliber. Just a amazingly fun rifle. I love this rifle! It now has a 2.5 fixed scope on it.
Link Posted: 12/1/2013 6:17:51 PM EDT
If you can find it cheap, as it should be, get it.  Mine is fun.
Link Posted: 12/1/2013 8:58:56 PM EDT
Cool gun. Trigger is horrid, and I though it was inaccurate, however I found that the picatinny rail optic mount had come loose.
So I'm not 100% on how accurate it actually is.
Link Posted: 12/1/2013 9:04:24 PM EDT
Im wondering when they will offer just the barrel.
Link Posted: 12/2/2013 2:56:27 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By dana:
I think the 357 magnum Handi is a better host. I mostly shoot 38 in mine but also have it reamed to 357 Maximum for deer hunting. 38 is cheaper if you buy factory ammo, easy to reload, easy to find brass, cheap lead bullets. Also most 9mm cans have a direct thread mount, so you dont need to spend money buying a QD flash hider or brake.  You can shoot it at any indoor range because it is a pistol caliber. Just a amazingly fun rifle. I love this rifle! It now has a 2.5 fixed scope on it.
<a href="http://s10.photobucket.com/user/rc51kid/media/Picture008_zps56cf950a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a147/rc51kid/Picture008_zps56cf950a.jpg</a>
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I feel the same way about the 357 mag suppressed. Very easy to reload for, cheap to shoot and can be used subsonic/sonic. I have a lyman 200gr flat point mold for it.
I will shop around for a 45/70 and then get the 357mag barrel.(this way I get the #2 frame) Latter on if the 300 blackout barrels become available then I will get one if the price is right.
Link Posted: 12/2/2013 3:19:27 AM EDT
Love mine. Try the 245gr Missouri bullet co cast over 8gr of lil gun.
Link Posted: 12/2/2013 5:06:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Hawkeye29:
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I have inquired about such and AAC has indicated that there are no plans to offer just the barrel
Link Posted: 12/2/2013 12:08:22 PM EDT
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There is a gun show this weekend. Game plan is to check for a used one in 45/70. I just came back from a LGS to check his stock and prices.
Sometime the LGS on new is just a good or better than used at a gun show. Well he did have 45/70 but I ended up getting a 300Blackout Handi rifle .
After I get every thing up and running on this one I will be shipping the frame/stock parts for the 357mag barrel. You talk about a game plan that went down hill quick.
That sucker is small.
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Wanted to add that I paid $349 which was not a steal of a deal. I think the 45/70 were for $269.  $80 more for the 300 BO.
Link Posted: 12/2/2013 4:42:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By passgas55:
There is a gun show this weekend. Game plan is to check for a used one in 45/70. I just came back from a LGS to check his stock and prices.
Sometime the LGS on new is just a good or better than used at a gun show. Well he did have 45/70 but I ended up getting a 300Blackout Handi rifle .
After I get every thing up and running on this one I will be shipping the frame/stock parts for the 357mag barrel. You talk about a game plan that went down hill quick.
That sucker is small.
.
Wanted to add that I paid $349 which was not a steal of a deal. I think the 45/70 were for $269.  $80 more for the 300 BO.
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Cost goes into the rail, threaded muzzle/protector, and the AAC logo.
Link Posted: 12/2/2013 5:35:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By passgas55:
There is a gun show this weekend. Game plan is to check for a used one in 45/70. I just came back from a LGS to check his stock and prices.
Sometime the LGS on new is just a good or better than used at a gun show. Well he did have 45/70 but I ended up getting a 300Blackout Handi rifle .
After I get every thing up and running on this one I will be shipping the frame/stock parts for the 357mag barrel. You talk about a game plan that went down hill quick.
That sucker is small.
.
Wanted to add that I paid $349 which was not a steal of a deal. I think the 45/70 were for $269.  $80 more for the 300 BO.
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Call H&R to see if they have the 357 barrel. They are often out of stock on them. So if they have them you might want to pick one up. I just sent in a spare frame and got a spare 357, a 44 mag and a 45-70 barrel. I might sell the 44 mag or i will thread it and shoot it through my Octane 45. But the 44 mag has a twist that does not work well with heavy slow bullets. I really want to suppress the 45-70. But i cant get the green light from SWR.
Link Posted: 12/2/2013 5:55:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dana:
I really want to suppress the 45-70. But I cant get the green light from SWR.
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Using what proposed can?
ETA:  Thinking of the 45 Octane HD,I wouldn't think subsonic .45-70 would be that much different than hot .45ACP or subsonic 300BLK that it is designed for.
Link Posted: 12/3/2013 7:45:23 AM EDT
i picked one up for $200

haven't shot it yet thou.
Link Posted: 12/3/2013 10:43:50 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mPisi:

Using what proposed can?
ETA:  Thinking of the 45 Octane HD,I wouldn't think subsonic .45-70 would be that much different than hot .45ACP or subsonic 300BLK that it is designed for.
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Originally Posted By mPisi:
Originally Posted By dana:
I really want to suppress the 45-70. But I cant get the green light from SWR.

Using what proposed can?
ETA:  Thinking of the 45 Octane HD,I wouldn't think subsonic .45-70 would be that much different than hot .45ACP or subsonic 300BLK that it is designed for.

Doesnt the 45-70 use a slightly larger diameter bullet????
Link Posted: 12/3/2013 1:01:15 PM EDT
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Doesnt the 45-70 use a slightly larger diameter bullet????
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Originally Posted By BladedRonin:
Originally Posted By mPisi:
Originally Posted By dana:
I really want to suppress the 45-70. But I cant get the green light from SWR.

Using what proposed can?
ETA:  Thinking of the 45 Octane HD,I wouldn't think subsonic .45-70 would be that much different than hot .45ACP or subsonic 300BLK that it is designed for.

Doesnt the 45-70 use a slightly larger diameter bullet????



Uses a .458 bullet instead of the .451........ I believe
Link Posted: 12/3/2013 2:52:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mPisi:

Using what proposed can?
ETA:  Thinking of the 45 Octane HD,I wouldn't think subsonic .45-70 would be that much different than hot .45ACP or subsonic 300BLK that it is designed for.
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Originally Posted By mPisi:
Originally Posted By dana:
I really want to suppress the 45-70. But I cant get the green light from SWR.

Using what proposed can?
ETA:  Thinking of the 45 Octane HD,I wouldn't think subsonic .45-70 would be that much different than hot .45ACP or subsonic 300BLK that it is designed for.


The way I see it you have a lot more gas pressure following a 415 gr or 500 gr bullet at 1000fps than say a 230gr going at 900fps..
Better chance of shooting a full blown load out the 45/70 that will blow up a pistol rated can. I got to be careful of using 357mag on a 9mm can.
Link Posted: 12/3/2013 2:56:11 PM EDT
One thing I would like to add. I do not like the rail on it, I prefer a steel rail and one that does not hang over the barrel. I will later on change out the rail.
Now I got to find some rocksett and purple Loctite.
Link Posted: 12/3/2013 6:53:46 PM EDT
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Uses a .458 bullet instead of the .451........ I believe
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Uses a .458 bullet instead of the .451........ I believe


How tight are the exit holes on the average suppressor anyways?

Originally Posted By passgas55:
The way I see it you have a lot more gas pressure following a 415 gr or 500 gr bullet at 1000fps than say a 230gr going at 900fps..
Better chance of shooting a full blown load out the 45/70 that will blow up a pistol rated can. I got to be careful of using 357mag on a 9mm can.


Where is gas pressure or volume ever recorded?  Something in interior ballistics study?  I was just thinking chamber pressures were similar, with subsonic 300BLK somewhat higher than .45ACP or .45-70.  There might even be big differences between powders, like Trail Boss versus traditional ones.
Link Posted: 12/5/2013 3:03:40 AM EDT
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I went to find some Hi Temp red Loctite. Stopped 2 hardware stores, an auto parts store and tractor supply. I have to go to town today. On my way in I plan on
stopping at any place I know that sells Loctite. Never knew it would be so hard to find. I want to start setting up my handi rifle. If a no go and I have to order from the net
I will get rocksett.
Link Posted: 12/5/2013 5:31:47 PM EDT
I dont think the diameter of the 45-70 will be a problem. My plan is something like a 405gr over 12gr Unique. The Octane 45 will work with 44 mag per SWR. Some 44 mag have that much Unique ( i think). I could shoot a lighter bullet if i really needed. a 300gr bullet is not that muck more than a 45 or 44 mag shoot. Anyway, i think it would work. I just want to test it with someone elses Octane 45!

Some also pointed out that what we need to talk about is muzzle pressure not chamber pressure. The muzzle pressure is a lot lower on a 16" than a 5" barrel. So the 45ACP with a 5" barrel MIGHT have more muzzle pressure than a light 45-70 on a 16" barrel even though the 45-70 has more chamber pressure and energy.
Link Posted: 12/5/2013 5:33:37 PM EDT
I dont think the diameter of the 45-70 will be a problem. My plan is something like a 405gr over 12gr Unique. The Octane 45 will work with 44 mag per SWR. Some 44 mag have that much Unique ( i think). I could shoot a lighter bullet if i really needed. a 300gr bullet is not that muck more than a 45 or 44 mag shoot. Anyway, i think it would work. I just want to test it with someone elses Octane 45!

Some also pointed out that what we need to talk about is muzzle pressure not chamber pressure. The muzzle pressure is a lot lower on a 16" than a 5" barrel. So the 45ACP with a 5" barrel MIGHT have more muzzle pressure than a light 45-70 on a 16" barrel even though the 45-70 has more chamber pressure and energy.
Link Posted: 12/5/2013 5:37:36 PM EDT
I have a Handy Rifle in 300BLK.

I love it. It is super accurate and it is so short and light that even with the mount and can it is, well, handy.
Link Posted: 12/5/2013 6:11:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dana:
I dont think the diameter of the 45-70 will be a problem. My plan is something like a 405gr over 12gr Unique. The Octane 45 will work with 44 mag per SWR. Some 44 mag have that much Unique ( i think). I could shoot a lighter bullet if i really needed. a 300gr bullet is not that muck more than a 45 or 44 mag shoot. Anyway, i think it would work. I just want to test it with someone elses Octane 45!

Some also pointed out that what we need to talk about is muzzle pressure not chamber pressure. The muzzle pressure is a lot lower on a 16" than a 5" barrel. So the 45ACP with a 5" barrel MIGHT have more muzzle pressure than a light 45-70 on a 16" barrel even though the 45-70 has more chamber pressure and energy.
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Well, clearly SWR doesn't believe it's a great idea if they're not greenlighting it, so it's up to you to try, if you don't mind the risk of your can exploding.
Link Posted: 12/5/2013 6:53:10 PM EDT
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Well, clearly SWR doesn't believe it's a great idea if they're not greenlighting it, so it's up to you to try, if you don't mind the risk of your can exploding.
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Give me about 7 months and I'll give it a go.  Wish I was still in school, slap a strain gauge on there and test with normal .45 and then work up from there.  Hmm I've got a .45 AR upper too, test the handgun vs rifle pressure theory from a few posts up.  Wouldn't tell you what is happening on the welds, but would be a decent measure of general stress on the can body.
Link Posted: 12/5/2013 8:12:53 PM EDT
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Well, clearly SWR doesn't believe it's a great idea if they're not greenlighting it, so it's up to you to try, if you don't mind the risk of your can exploding.
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Originally Posted By dana:
I dont think the diameter of the 45-70 will be a problem. My plan is something like a 405gr over 12gr Unique. The Octane 45 will work with 44 mag per SWR. Some 44 mag have that much Unique ( i think). I could shoot a lighter bullet if i really needed. a 300gr bullet is not that muck more than a 45 or 44 mag shoot. Anyway, i think it would work. I just want to test it with someone elses Octane 45!

Some also pointed out that what we need to talk about is muzzle pressure not chamber pressure. The muzzle pressure is a lot lower on a 16" than a 5" barrel. So the 45ACP with a 5" barrel MIGHT have more muzzle pressure than a light 45-70 on a 16" barrel even though the 45-70 has more chamber pressure and energy.


Well, clearly SWR doesn't believe it's a great idea if they're not greenlighting it, so it's up to you to try, if you don't mind the risk of your can exploding.

I dont think thw can would pop on a single shot, id say if anything the cap hole would bulg out( silencer shop has a vid on their website of them shooting a 30cal bullet through a m4-2000, and the all that hapoened was the end cap bulged, no baffle strikes no glock explosion of can. So i think you should be fine with the tolerances and pressure*

*(this information is based off of a video and i have no real expirence in the matterso most of my statement is based on absolutly nothing, morstley a guy feeling, and im am also intoxicated, proceed at your own risk)

So yeah, it will work...
Link Posted: 12/9/2013 6:00:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/9/2013 6:02:20 AM EDT by passgas55]
Finally I am getting every thing together. Loaded up 20 rounds last night. First time I ever loaded cast bullets for rifle.
These are 230 gr lee bullets cast 100% clip on wheel weights powder coated wet method. May switch over to regular static
charge dry powder coating for a smoother finish. Had a problem with the m die not expanding the neck enough which caused bullet shaving
when seating. M short die is a tad to long for the 300 bo. Solved that problem this morning simply by removing the locking nut on
the expander button, screw down all the way tight on expander button and make my adjustment with the die body.

Any way here is my pic, I have a older TPRS can that makes my 5# rifle feel like a heavy end 12# rifle


Link Posted: 12/9/2013 10:07:02 AM EDT


Only picture I have right now.
Link Posted: 12/9/2013 8:56:03 PM EDT
Here is mine.

It is very handi, and red rider quiet with subs!

Link Posted: 12/9/2013 9:41:06 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/11/2013 2:27:30 PM EDT
Called H&R today about getting a 357mag barrel. None in stock check again after the 1st of year. Well I guess I go to game plan B and have the Rossi 92 357mag
set up for a can. Stll plan on getting the  357mag barrel later.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:12:12 PM EDT
Its a good little rifle, but mine looks like they reamed the chamber with a butter knife.  

I had to polish it with a .410 cleaning mop and some JB bore paste to get it to extract at all.   It was so bad I was carrying a cleaning rod with me when I went to shoot it, so I could pop out stuck empties from the muzzle end.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:13:52 PM EDT
Can I get some wood furniture somewhere?
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:26:52 PM EDT
I put one of those Nikon 300blk scope on mine....just to try things out.

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