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Posted: 12/12/2016 9:28:44 PM EST
Alright all, I know nothing about many older firearms. A good friend was at an estate sale yesterday and ended up scoring a true, 1917 German Luger in damn near perfect condition (somewhat scary as to how good the condition is). Anyhow, it has 1917 stamped on top of the barrel, has a tiny eagle or other bird on the right side of the barrel. All of the numbers on it match. He paid 530.00 for it. He thinks he got a pretty decent deal, I tend to agree.

As far as I'm concerned, if the pistol were brand new and German, it would be worth more than 500.00. However, it is old and German, and thus, I am inclined to believe it is worth a lot more.

Do you folks know if he has something really valuable, or did he just do "okay?" Any input on this particular pistol would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks all.
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 9:37:04 PM EST
Would need a LOT more info.

A pic would be good.

Do the numbers on everything, and I mean everything, match?
Even if not, that price for a P.08 is really good, if it all works properly, hell, you could probably part it out for more than you think.

If it has an Eagle proof mark I'm pretty sure that would be from a later rebuild during the WW2 time frame. Pretty sure the original WW1 proofs should be a crown over N.

I'm sure the real experts will be along soon...

Link Posted: 12/12/2016 9:44:45 PM EST
Id buy that all day long. Even if its not matching serial numbers etc they seem to run more.

Im not a expert but Ive been looking for one for awhile now. He did good
Link Posted: 12/12/2016 10:28:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/12/2016 10:28:52 PM EST by 98kGuy]
Assuming you are correct, and it is numbers matching and in great shape...it's worth 3 or 4 times what he payed....

Anything stamped in the front of the grip strap? (Unit marking)

Pics would help a lot...
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 7:12:16 AM EST
Hard to help without pics... He could have a really nice, original finish Luger with its strawing and fire blued parts intact. Or he could have a completely refinished pistol (which can affect value a lot).

As was already said though, even a mix-master Luger usually goes for more than $530. Would like to see pics of what he got!

Link Posted: 12/13/2016 8:33:25 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 11:11:59 AM EST
He did good. I paid $460 for a worn finish import S/42 P-08 back in 1997.
Link Posted: 12/13/2016 1:49:42 PM EST
Thanks all. I will snap some detailed photos tomorrow (he's bringing it in for me to do this). Look back tomorrow afternoon for an update.
Link Posted: 12/14/2016 11:20:00 PM EST
alright guys, without further ado...here's the pics of the pistol and all markings. Couldn't make out one of the symbols, I'll indicate which one below:









This one, we could not even see what the hell the mark resembled...looked like a couple letters put together, but it's really hard to see:















Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 12:07:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/15/2016 12:14:35 AM EST by 98kGuy]
Bad news...heavily buffed, re-finished, and re stamped s/n's.....toggle is from a Nazi era Mauser (S/42)....

Honestly, I don't even think its worth what he paid, but YMMV....

See what other guys say....

ETA Though the mag (WWI wood bottomed) is probably worth as much as the gun....
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 8:22:09 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 9:15:36 AM EST
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Originally Posted By 98kGuy:
Bad news...heavily buffed, re-finished, and re stamped s/n's.....toggle is from a Nazi era Mauser (S/42)....

Honestly, I don't even think its worth what he paid, but YMMV....

See what other guys say....

ETA Though the mag (WWI wood bottomed) is probably worth as much as the gun....
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Well, that's why I posted it, we wanted to know. As I said, we know nothing about them...I don't think my buddy is going to care too much, he said he's wanted one for a really long time.

It is safe to say that the toggle is from a completely different firearm, correct. I'm assuming that it should have "S/20" stamped on it to make it consistent with the rest of the numbers?

Thanks for the help guys.
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 1:12:28 PM EST
Is there a serial number on the bottom of the mag base?
Link Posted: 12/15/2016 4:29:23 PM EST
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Well, that's why I posted it, we wanted to know. As I said, we know nothing about them...I don't think my buddy is going to care too much, he said he's wanted one for a really long time.

It is safe to say that the toggle is from a completely different firearm, correct. I'm assuming that it should have "S/20" stamped on it to make it consistent with the rest of the numbers?

Thanks for the help guys.
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Originally Posted By FALex:
Originally Posted By 98kGuy:
Bad news...heavily buffed, re-finished, and re stamped s/n's.....toggle is from a Nazi era Mauser (S/42)....

Honestly, I don't even think its worth what he paid, but YMMV....

See what other guys say....

ETA Though the mag (WWI wood bottomed) is probably worth as much as the gun....


Well, that's why I posted it, we wanted to know. As I said, we know nothing about them...I don't think my buddy is going to care too much, he said he's wanted one for a really long time.

It is safe to say that the toggle is from a completely different firearm, correct. I'm assuming that it should have "S/20" stamped on it to make it consistent with the rest of the numbers?

Thanks for the help guys.


As far as the toggle goes, the S/42 denotes the manufacturer of the pistol, this is where they marked it...S/42 is the code for Mauser Oberndorf. It is not a serial number...that's a Nazi era code...

As a shooter and example he didn't do to badly, but selling it down the road if desired, may be tougher due to the refinish...
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 6:07:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2016 6:11:45 PM EST by GrimesSU]
Wow, never see a pistol faked so bad.

1.) Heavy polish and re-blue
2.) Grind marks where old serial numbers were ground off
3.) Re-stamped serial numbers in a completely wrong font, to try and make it look matching.

Even a complete mix-master is worth more than that monstrosity.

You'd be lucky to sell that for even $200-$300.

The magazine at least looks like an original wood bottom, so it's worth around $100.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:39:35 PM EST
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Wow, never see a pistol faked so bad. <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle>

1.) Heavy polish and re-blue
2.) Grind marks where old serial numbers were ground off
3.) Re-stamped serial numbers in a completely wrong font, to try and make it look matching.

Even a complete mix-master is worth more than that monstrosity.

You'd be lucky to sell that for even $200-$300.

The magazine at least looks like an original wood bottom, so it's worth around $100.
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People just go about doing this shit to try and fool potential buyers? That's too bad. I still want to shoot it though.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 6:42:27 PM EST
If he bought that to flip, he got suckered. If he bought it to shoot, then tell him to sell the mag and buy some after market mags. He'll recover 30-40 bucks that way.
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