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Posted: 11/12/2003 11:20:58 AM EDT
What differences are there in the pattern and balistics between the two? Does the extra 4" (or lack thereof) really make a difference?
Link Posted: 11/12/2003 11:41:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/13/2003 11:58:58 PM EDT
Yeah, I figured it just cost me $50 per inch to go from 18" to 14". It was worth it, the gun handles much better and can be deployed faster.

http://members.aol.com/pmoore4321/folder
Link Posted: 11/14/2003 4:54:43 AM EDT
Much handier for use inside or for deploying from inside a vehicle (easier to get out with, actually).

Remington and Mossberg both make 14in. barrels. Remington makes them with various chokes, not sure about Mossberg's. Ballistics don't suffer much, and it makes for a MUCH nicer package.
Link Posted: 11/14/2003 11:44:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/14/2003 11:45:27 AM EDT by MaverickMkii]
How much louder are these 14" barrels? Do you think it would be okay for your ear to shoot 14" barreled shotgun indoors for self-defense? But this is a moot point since its your ear or your life.

Since buckshot will lose its effectiveness rapidly after 15 yards I guess that 4" won't make much difference in terms of ballistics. But I would love it for handling.
Link Posted: 11/14/2003 11:49:06 AM EDT
Contrary to the popular notion, barrel length has almost nothing to do with pattern. In shotgun sports, a longer barrel is used to change the ballance.
Link Posted: 11/14/2003 11:52:09 AM EDT
BTW, short barreled shotguns are verboten in WA, unless you get a pistol grip and a foregrip and register an AOW.
Link Posted: 11/14/2003 6:17:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pmoore4321:
Yeah, I figured it just cost me $50 per inch to go from 18" to 14". It was worth it, the gun handles much better and can be deployed faster.

members.aol.com/pmoore4321/folder



Nice shotgun. I have a 14.5" 870 with a Surefire 618 fore end and a Knoxx Copstock folder. I love it. With the Knoxx, its a pussycat, even with 00 and slugs.
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 12:04:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
BTW, short barreled shotguns are verboten in WA, unless you get a pistol grip and a foregrip and register an AOW.



I know, and I HATE that fact. The shotgun in question is to be an issued weapon.
Link Posted: 11/15/2003 11:40:39 AM EDT
We have talked about this in the past. The turkey hunters were the first to use short barreled shotguns with tight chokes to produce extremly tight patterns. It's all in the choke not the length of the barrel. Combat Jack is right barrel length is about swing and ballance. That is why I always recommend barrels with screw in chokes. Shotgunning is an art not a science. MIKE.
Link Posted: 11/19/2003 7:59:11 PM EDT
I'm no expert, but just like in a rifle, if you shorten the barrel of a shotgun you will get lower muzzle velocity. This means less striking velocity and lower penetration. I have now idea how much of a difference it will make, but I'm sure someone here can help out.
Link Posted: 11/20/2003 9:48:35 AM EDT
This was true in the black powder days but is not a issue with modern shotshells. Several years ago one of the Gun Mags did an article on this and used the 36" Long Tom barrels and 18" security barrels, very little difference.

Turkeys are very hard to kill. When turkey numbers increased and hunting them became popular regular shotguns were used with mixed results. Turkey hunters began making their own chokes tighter and tighter. They found no difference in longer or shorter barrels so because a turkey shotgun is aimed, ballance and swing is not important, they cut their barrels down. With the advent of screw in chokes you can buy chokes so tight you can miss your target if you do not aim carefully. Plus 3 1/2" shells are now offered in 12 gauge! MIKE.
Link Posted: 11/20/2003 11:03:43 AM EDT
Mike103, were you replying to my post about muzzle velocity, or the previous posts about pattern size?
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 2:52:03 AM EDT
Both.
Link Posted: 11/21/2003 4:33:30 PM EDT
Can you explain why a decrease in barrel length would not result in a decrease in velocity? I thought the same principles that apply to a rifle or handgun would apply to the shotgun.
Link Posted: 11/25/2003 3:50:28 AM EDT
Yug, Sorry for no reply but I have been away hunting. I will look up some stuff and get back to you. MIKE.
Link Posted: 11/25/2003 4:10:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/25/2003 4:13:52 AM EDT by mike103]
Yug, Go to www.remington.com, click on support, to to FAQ's, type in question, "Will a longer shotgun barrel shoot farther", this exact answer is there. I will look for more, MIKE.

Edited to add: Sorry I did not cut and paste but I am a computer retard. MIKE.
Link Posted: 11/27/2003 5:02:59 AM EDT
MIke 103,
Newbie here again- and thanks for the Remington link- didn't realize they had such a huge faq section.
OK, I understand that the powder will be burned before it ever clears my 18 1/2 inch security barrel, which makes sense since I have fired it and noticed little difference in roar, recoil etc from the 28" barrel. (Mossberg 500) And I really appreciate your previous responses to my newbie queries. But please, here is still one more.
How different will the accuracy of a rifled slug fired from the two different smoothbore barrels above be at 50 yards and at 75 yards?
I doubt very much I will ever attempt such a long (75yd) shot with my rig (not fair or just to the quarry) but it still impacts my confidence.
Waitin' to see how my LI lottery submission turns out...
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